[im so academic]

(Original post by hobnob)
Edit: On topic: other than the universities already mentioned, Liverpool Hope has been the only university so far to announce that they won't be charging the maximum fees rate.

Surprise, surprise.

OP: I'd wait until the prospectuses have been released for absolutely final confirmation of fees.

But you can expect the top universities and the most popular courses to be charging the £9000 cap.

[im so academic]

(Original post by spidergareth)
Leeds Met announces it will only go to 6k.

Again, is it really a surprise.

As usual quality commands high prices. (Generally speaking).

[fluteflute]

(Original post by im so academic)
OP: I'd wait until the prospectuses have been released for absolutely final confirmation of fees.

Prospectuses are being released for many universities already, just leaving the fee details out.

[im so academic]

(Original post by fluteflute)
Prospectuses are being released for many universities already, just leaving the fee details out.

Oh really. That's quite awkward.

[ajp100688]

Queen Mary were talking about £7.8k as necessary to continue the same quality before Xmas. However I get the feeling now that they'll probably follow the rest into £9k. Exeter has already gone £9k and QMUL is a 1994 university like Exeter and there is little difference in their quality, so I'd expect them to follow roughly the same line.

We're heading for a massive showdown between the government and the universities because the government keeps saying that if every university goes for £9k then further cuts will be necessary to afford the student loans it'll bring on. God knows what's going to happen next.

[fluteflute]

(Original post by im so academic)
Oh really. That's quite awkward.

Certainly Oxford and Cambridge have. I also have a 2012 prospectus for Aberystwyth.

[Hellothere!!]

(Original post by chrislpp)
QUB is not worth £9000.

Dear god I absolutely loathe the place, the students around it and the businesses that treat you like **** even though the students bring them the majority of their income. There's like 3 decent clubs and bouncers can be hit and miss......

QUB, the only thing you graduate with is a First in pretentiousness which is soon thrown back in your face considering most graduates work in the surrounding shops as cashiers unless they were top of their class. Belfast went down the ****ter a long time ago.

Why you giving out to me i didnt set the fees...

[spidergareth]

Essex has joined the 9k club

[chrislpp]

Not Ex-poly = 9k

Ex-poly = not 9k


It's going that way it seems.

[Mombasa Raha]

Is it fair to assume that all 1994 and Russell group unis will be charging 9K? I mean, if Essex is, it must surely be a given.

[ajp100688]

(Original post by Mombasa Raha)
Is it fair to assume that all 1994 and Russell group unis will be charging 9K? I mean, if Essex is, it must surely be a given.

More than likely, it seems to be the way it's going. Essex and Exeter have both gone that way and they're hardly UCL's or Oxbridge.

[spidergareth]

(Original post by ajp100688)
More than likely, it seems to be the way it's going. Essex and Exeter have both gone that way and they're hardly UCL's or Oxbridge.

(Original post by Mombasa Raha)
Is it fair to assume that all 1994 and Russell group unis will be charging 9K? I mean, if Essex is, it must surely be a given.

More or less. Essex and Surrey do have slightly different circumstances since they are very dependent on foreign students (almost 50% at essex), which will be cut with the student visa. Also, the only reason Essex is able to punch far above its weight in the RAE is because of Economics, Sociology and government, all of which are dependent on grants from the ESRC which are being rapidly withdrawn. Both essex and Surrey have big plans for expansion as well, so the income must be solid.

I can't see UEA, Lancaster or any other higher ranking uni charging less, since it would mean that they appear to offer a poorer quality education.

[ajp100688]

(Original post by spidergareth)
More or less. Essex and Surrey do have slightly different circumstances since they are very dependent on foreign students (almost 50% at essex), which will be cut with the student visa. Also, the only reason Essex is able to punch far above its weight in the RAE is because of Economics, Sociology and government, all of which are dependent on grants from the ESRC which are being rapidly withdrawn. Both essex and Surrey have big plans for expansion as well, so the income must be solid.

I can't see UEA, Lancaster or any other higher ranking uni charging less, since it would mean that they appear to offer a poorer quality education.

Indeed if you look through the 1994 there's only a handful of universities I can see that might avoid taking the leap to £9k. Namely Birkbeck, Goldsmiths and Reading. Other than that I think they're going to move en masse. I certainly think my uni might as it has about 35% foreign students and it's strengths are more on the soc sci and humanities side than hard sciences.

Makes me glad I only paid £3.2k.

[spidergareth]

(Original post by ajp100688)
Indeed if you look through the 1994 there's only a handful of universities I can see that might avoid taking the leap to £9k. Namely Birkbeck, Goldsmiths and Reading. Other than that I think they're going to move en masse. I certainly think my uni might as it has about 35% foreign students and it's strengths are more on the soc sci and humanities side than hard sciences.

Makes me glad I only paid £3.2k.

Even then, I don't really think they will do purely because of the aforementioned quality issue. Take a subject like History or english lit, both of which Goldsmiths and Reading outrank essex on in terms of entry requirements and league table rankings. If the degree at essex cost more, I think people would view Reading and Goldsmiths offerings as inferior.

I think it beoming increasingly clear that we are heading towards a binary system: Older unis charge 9k, ex-polys (with the exception of Oxford Brookes and a few others) charge 6k.

[ajp100688]

(Original post by spidergareth)
Even then, I don't really think they will do purely because of the aforementioned quality issue. Take a subject like History or english lit, both of which Goldsmiths and Reading outrank essex on in terms of entry requirements and league table rankings. If the degree at essex cost more, I think people would view Reading and Goldsmiths offerings as inferior.

I think it beoming increasingly clear that we are heading towards a binary system: Older unis charge 9k, ex-polys (with the exception of Oxford Brookes and a few others) charge 6k.

Could well be, although I think we might see more differentiation amongst the polys, there are so many of them and varying quality I think they'll price much differently. Their role has always been to improve access to higher education and thus they're not as concerned with reputation as the traditionals. I wouldn't be surprised for a couple outremers to go and price at £5k as an experiment and see where it goes. Kinda like how Leeds Met. had degrees for £2k under our current fees system.

I certainly don't think the quality of education at places like London Met. is worth £6k in this day and age and if they price at that then I wouldn't be surprised to see a few of them getting closed down or reverting to HE colleges.

[diamonddust]

(Original post by ajp100688)
Queen Mary were talking about £7.8k as necessary to continue the same quality before Xmas. However I get the feeling now that they'll probably follow the rest into £9k. Exeter has already gone £9k and QMUL is a 1994 university like Exeter and there is little difference in their quality, so I'd expect them to follow roughly the same line.

We're heading for a massive showdown between the government and the universities because the government keeps saying that if every university goes for £9k then further cuts will be necessary to afford the student loans it'll bring on. God knows what's going to happen next.

Should be... interesting, to say the least.

[mantis117]

Is it fair to assume that all 1994 and Russell group unis will be charging 9K?

Yeah its going that way. In my naivety i thought only the Russel group's and a couple 94's like Durham and Loughborough would charge the full wack - Now Essex is going for 9 k, wtf?

[admbeatmaker]

I saw an article on Birkbeck's website; they've expressed the need to charge as much as they can i.e somewhere between £6,000 and £9,000.

Source: http://www.bbk.ac.uk/mybirkbeck/fina.../major-changes

I believe it's fair for the Russell Group and 1994 Group Universities to charge the top amount, the majority of them are world leading institutions. They also risk devaluing their brand if they charge much less than £9,000.

[chrislpp]

The statistics will show year on year what the trend is like for students and whether they avoid the 9k unis of not.

[Mombasa Raha]

Manchester has announced their 9k fees. Inevitable really.

>>http://www.manchester.ac.uk/aboutus/...splay/?id=6856