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Reply 3060
Hmmm. It's very confusing...
Original post by Cinnie
Hmmm. It's very confusing...


Cinnie, you ok dear?
Reply 3062
Original post by .snowflake.
Cinnie, you ok dear?


Feeling the best and the most in control for at least a year, not letting myself starve and not enjoying hunger or feeling 'out of it'... but my weight is the lowest ever and dropping.. and so is there an ED lying to me telling me i'm absolutely fine, when i'm not so? Or am I completely in control.. Very unsure...
Original post by Cinnie
Feeling the best and the most in control for at least a year, not letting myself starve and not enjoying hunger or feeling 'out of it'... but my weight is the lowest ever and dropping.. and so is there an ED lying to me telling me i'm absolutely fine, when i'm not so? Or am I completely in control.. Very unsure...


Hmm. I'd be confused too.
Original post by Cinnie
Feeling the best and the most in control for at least a year, not letting myself starve and not enjoying hunger or feeling 'out of it'... but my weight is the lowest ever and dropping.. and so is there an ED lying to me telling me i'm absolutely fine, when i'm not so? Or am I completely in control.. Very unsure...


Umm, with that I'd be very careful darling. If you feel it is right, okay, but as a warning those were exactly the thought going through my head as I was getting worse and not realising it...
Reply 3065
I think the thing to take away from this particular page of this thread is that we tend to THINK we know what's best for our bodies.

An Eight year old boy needs almost 1800 calories to be ALIVE. I see my little 3 year old nephew who is miniscule. He talks about Disneys "Cars" and takes frequent naps in order to keep up his energy. His tiny frame means he has to constantly rest to survive. He is like the human equivalent of the minimum survival techniques. He needs 1500 calories.

Then when you look at me - an adult frame. A human male. An ADULT human male. Trying to figure out how I can "trick" my body into accepting 1500 calories as "normal". What am I thinking?! Honestly?! My ED takes over for a second and then I think "Wow, you're preposterous. Who would believe in YOU?"
Original post by Etoile
I think I read that somewhere too :frown:
I don't want my brain to shrink but I can't take any more than that, mostly (Trigger -sorry!) I average about 350 :cry:


Ahh, I don't get triggers or anything, fully recovered for 2 years! I know what you mean but sweetie, it will happen. I went for an MRI and it actually showed -- full photographic evidence -- that my brain had shrunk. My full brain capacity is only just coming back, after so long. I still have moments when I go completely blank and I find it so difficult to remember things, hence I keep a diary or else I'd forget everything that's happened. I have to make lists otherwise I will just forget. I'm sorry to say but with as little as you're consuming...everything else is probably failing too :\ your organs are made of muscle at the end of the day...and when there's nothing else for your body to get energy from...I don't mean to scaremonger, I just want to say it because it genuinely happened to me and I want to stop it happening to as many people as possible. No one should have to suffer like that. x
Reply 3067
Original post by jazzykinks
Ahh, I don't get triggers or anything, fully recovered for 2 years! I know what you mean but sweetie, it will happen. I went for an MRI and it actually showed -- full photographic evidence -- that my brain had shrunk. My full brain capacity is only just coming back, after so long. I still have moments when I go completely blank and I find it so difficult to remember things, hence I keep a diary or else I'd forget everything that's happened. I have to make lists otherwise I will just forget. I'm sorry to say but with as little as you're consuming...everything else is probably failing too :\ your organs are made of muscle at the end of the day...and when there's nothing else for your body to get energy from...I don't mean to scaremonger, I just want to say it because it genuinely happened to me and I want to stop it happening to as many people as possible. No one should have to suffer like that. x


Wow, well done!!
I'd say I don't want to die, but that would be a lie. I don't want to die because of this. This is my way of not committing suicide! But I swear to God if this bloody eating disorder is the reason I don't get into Cambridge..... :mad::angry::cry2::cry:
Basically every week I tell myself I'm going to recover so that I don't cause all this damage to my body and then I get to a mealtime and I just can't make myself do it anymore. :cry:
Original post by Etoile
Wow, well done!!
I'd say I don't want to die, but that would be a lie. I don't want to die because of this. This is my way of not committing suicide! But I swear to God if this bloody eating disorder is the reason I don't get into Cambridge..... :mad::angry::cry2::cry:
Basically every week I tell myself I'm going to recover so that I don't cause all this damage to my body and then I get to a mealtime and I just can't make myself do it anymore. :cry:


Ahh, how similar we are! I applied to Cambridge too :P by then I had recovered -- I think they rejected me because they asked 'what are your hobbies?' and I couldn't lie, so I said 'partying, socialising, shopping and going to the gym'...I think they wanted 'reading, chess, badminton'. Could have also rejected me due to my colour. Not getting into that though!

I know what you mean. Sometimes an ED feels like the only way to keep yourself alive because it gives you control and gives you comfort. The hunger is comforting. The number on the scales getting lower and lower makes you feel like you have worth. Truth is, that's the opposite of what everyone else is thinking. The worst thing for me had to be visiting UCL. I was like a rake and my dad got really angry because people were staring at me in disgust. I looked ill.

Have you ever thought about the stuff you're missing out on? It's part of what made me get better (I also had to do it for my mum -- she's my life and I didn't want her to have to bury her own daughter/best friend). I looked at all my girlies. They all had boyfriends or at least got off with guys in clubs. No one wanted to look at me because I simply wasn't a woman anymore. I wanted to go on holiday -- couldn't do that because low BMI = no travel insurance. I wanted to enjoy a hot day without wearing a jumper, have an ice cream to cool down rather than already feeling too cold to have something cold. I wanted to go to the movies without it hurting to sit down for so long. I wanted people to stare at me because I looked good, not skeletal.

I don't know. I just wanted to be what a teenager is supposed to be. Just wanted to be normal. Lose my virginity, drink till I'm passed out etc. It helped me get better, really. The year after getting better was honestly the best of my life. I wouldn't have been able to come to uni without getting better, either. My parents wouldn't have trusted me enough. Now they have no worries. For once, they're more worried of other people harming me than myself! x
Original post by jazzykinks
Ahh, how similar we are! I applied to Cambridge too :P by then I had recovered -- I think they rejected me because they asked 'what are your hobbies?' and I couldn't lie, so I said 'partying, socialising, shopping and going to the gym'...I think they wanted 'reading, chess, badminton'. Could have also rejected me due to my colour. Not getting into that though!

I know what you mean. Sometimes an ED feels like the only way to keep yourself alive because it gives you control and gives you comfort. The hunger is comforting. The number on the scales getting lower and lower makes you feel like you have worth. Truth is, that's the opposite of what everyone else is thinking. The worst thing for me had to be visiting UCL. I was like a rake and my dad got really angry because people were staring at me in disgust. I looked ill.



Have you ever thought about the stuff you're missing out on? It's part of what made me get better (I also had to do it for my mum -- she's my life and I didn't want her to have to bury her own daughter/best friend). I looked at all my girlies. They all had boyfriends or at least got off with guys in clubs. No one wanted to look at me because I simply wasn't a woman anymore. I wanted to go on holiday -- couldn't do that because low BMI = no travel insurance. I wanted to enjoy a hot day without wearing a jumper, have an ice cream to cool down rather than already feeling too cold to have something cold. I wanted to go to the movies without it hurting to sit down for so long. I wanted people to stare at me because I looked good, not skeletal.

I don't know. I just wanted to be what a teenager is supposed to be. Just wanted to be normal. Lose my virginity, drink till I'm passed out etc. It helped me get better, really. The year after getting better was honestly the best of my life. I wouldn't have been able to come to uni without getting better, either. My parents wouldn't have trusted me enough. Now they have no worries. For once, they're more worried of other people harming me than myself! x


When did you visit UCL, Jazzy?
Original post by .snowflake.
When did you visit UCL, Jazzy?


Oooh gosh! Just after my AS levels, right before I was put in hospital...so like May/June 2 years ago. x
Original post by jazzykinks
Oooh gosh! Just after my AS levels, right before I was put in hospital...so like May/June 2 years ago. x


Ah. it wasnt you who i saw in june then. There was a lass there wearing a pink racerback sleeveless top with her shoulderblades sticking out at the back, and not an ounce of fat on her.
Reply 3072
Original post by jazzykinks
Ahh, how similar we are! I applied to Cambridge too :P by then I had recovered -- I think they rejected me because they asked 'what are your hobbies?' and I couldn't lie, so I said 'partying, socialising, shopping and going to the gym'...I think they wanted 'reading, chess, badminton'. Could have also rejected me due to my colour. Not getting into that though!

I know what you mean. Sometimes an ED feels like the only way to keep yourself alive because it gives you control and gives you comfort. The hunger is comforting. The number on the scales getting lower and lower makes you feel like you have worth. Truth is, that's the opposite of what everyone else is thinking. The worst thing for me had to be visiting UCL. I was like a rake and my dad got really angry because people were staring at me in disgust. I looked ill.

Have you ever thought about the stuff you're missing out on? It's part of what made me get better (I also had to do it for my mum -- she's my life and I didn't want her to have to bury her own daughter/best friend). I looked at all my girlies. They all had boyfriends or at least got off with guys in clubs. No one wanted to look at me because I simply wasn't a woman anymore. I wanted to go on holiday -- couldn't do that because low BMI = no travel insurance. I wanted to enjoy a hot day without wearing a jumper, have an ice cream to cool down rather than already feeling too cold to have something cold. I wanted to go to the movies without it hurting to sit down for so long. I wanted people to stare at me because I looked good, not skeletal.

I don't know. I just wanted to be what a teenager is supposed to be. Just wanted to be normal. Lose my virginity, drink till I'm passed out etc. It helped me get better, really. The year after getting better was honestly the best of my life. I wouldn't have been able to come to uni without getting better, either. My parents wouldn't have trusted me enough. Now they have no worries. For once, they're more worried of other people harming me than myself! x


Haha! What subject? If it's MML then omg :lol: I hope you're happier wherever you are now. :smile:
Mmm. Worst coping mechanism ever. :console:
Kind of. My little sister is the main reason I haven't topped myself because it would kill her too. The weirdest thing is that I randomly told this guy I was semi-friends with back in January and he fell in love with me despite it. Even though I have no bum or boobs any more, and I won't let him take me out to dinner, and I'm permanently cold, and I wriggle when he touches my hips because there are always fresh cuts there. I'm worried he'll just stop wanting to deal with me and leave. Bah. He always asks me to eat for him and does the puppy eyes but I just can't. I had no idea you couldn't travel because of it! :eek: The thing is that half the time I don't even want to be thin anymore. It just is too painful to eat.
I say I want to be normal to my counsellor and she tells me off! :lol: Something about normal being just as impossible to achieve as perfect. But it's a good idea, even if drinking til you pass out isn't. :tongue:
I really admire your strength :smile:
Original post by Etoile

I say I want to be normal to my counsellor and she tells me off! :lol: Something about normal being just as impossible to achieve as perfect. But it's a good idea, even if drinking til you pass out isn't. :tongue:
I really admire your strength :smile:


E, atleast you've got a boyfriend.
Reply 3074
Original post by Antiaris
Hallo!

Posting will be short as my laptop has made the grand bon voyage and this is from the phone, but if you aren't drinking tea from fear of iron depletion dunnae worry. Add milk. The tannims bind to +2 ions. Non-haem iron is at risk as is calcium. What to do? Milk in tea will bind to the tannins before drinking. The tannins can also only bind to ions that haven't been absorbed yet, so simply avoid drinking it around meals. It can't LEACH calcium from you as the molecule is too large. If you just plain don't like tea, just don't worry about drinking it. Unless she is part of the cult of earl gray I doubt she is judging.


Cheers Antiaris, did not know about the Ca I suspect Mum is but molecule being a doozy to disappear! I suspect Mum is but maybe I passed the initiation ceremony? :P

Original post by Cinnie
Feeling the best and the most in control for at least a year, not letting myself starve and not enjoying hunger or feeling 'out of it'... but my weight is the lowest ever and dropping.. and so is there an ED lying to me telling me i'm absolutely fine, when i'm not so? Or am I completely in control.. Very unsure...


I think it'd largely depend on where you perceive this control to be coming from. We all know, deep down, that the sense of control derived from manipulation of food, intake and weight is a false one. But is it more about having the more fulfilling sense of control around life, about being able to be yourself again? About not hiding away and standing up for yourself? Are you being honest with how much you eat and how much you exercise a day?
There's a danger of distracting yourself from the problem by constantly socialising or being busy until burnout. We have this idea that, but there might be a little bit inside which just uses it to quash our ED's fear of slowing down. It's brilliant to be out and about, but are you giving yourself enough quality time to rest and relax?
I think the real test comes with when we have to take risks. Nothing scares me more than being invited out to a party, the cinema or just to hang out when that means compromising my diet or chance to work out. But then I think, sometimes when worn out I force myself to think but it's embraced more these days, what's that going to bring me? What good is looking good if I feel miserable? Really what the hell is my goal? It isn't, it's a distraction from feeling frustrated I can't fulfil my real purpose, when I can. And that purpose could simply be being me. How do you feel about the risks, Cinnie? Would you feel any less in control if you were stuck in a situation that calls to sacrifice your ED for the long-term benefits of happiness and realising your own potential?
There is no real, lasting correlation between weight loss or body shape and the quality of our life or our moral worthiness. It's superficial, and ultimately true control over life has to come from letting go of control over these. Taking care of yourself as priority, sure, but not to the detriment of every other aspect of your being. Control's over-rated, really. I talked about this with the counsellor at an anxiety workshop yesterday. Anyone can pretend to not be scared, but to admit you're terrified, that takes balls.
Old 'teach who originally referred me said that I looked liked I'd put on weight. For the first time, that didn't feel like an affront to my dignity.
'course I'm telling Grandma and Gramps how to suck eggs here.
Be careful, Cinnie! :hugs:
Reply 3075
Original post by Riku
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The sense of control and change has been, not over obsessive weight-loss or calorie goals... but over myself, my own appetite and my decisions. Situations like going to the cinema or meals out no longer terrify me, and I try and embrace them and really enjoy them... but, without any conscious effort over what I actually fancy eating, the 'healthy' option always gets picked. I will go to the cinema and instead of wanting popcorn or crisps I will feel like I genuinely want some fruit. Is this me having a healthy lifestyle and my other friends (who are extremely unfit, dont even do any walking, and eat take-aways every day) being in the wrong?
A sense of control is also from not having half as many negative thoughts about myself and not 'deserving' the food. I now have one treat every day, something I love like a slice of cake or piece of chocolate. To me this is a good all-rounded approach to health. But is it... who knows. I also despise take-aways and have no idea whether this is me or not.

I think, like Toto, not setting myself a calorie limit has led myself to overestimate in order to feel 'safe'... leading me to not binge as I don't feel like i'm going without, but loose weight because i'm still way under. I basically feel less of a link between my emotions food... but it may just be hiding better. Hmmm...

And you're right Riku there is no need to have a goal other than living your life to the fullest... Having a very close, (young), family member die recently has proved to me how important that is!
Original post by Etoile
Haha! What subject? If it's MML then omg :lol: I hope you're happier wherever you are now. :smile:
Mmm. Worst coping mechanism ever. :console:
Kind of. My little sister is the main reason I haven't topped myself because it would kill her too. The weirdest thing is that I randomly told this guy I was semi-friends with back in January and he fell in love with me despite it. Even though I have no bum or boobs any more, and I won't let him take me out to dinner, and I'm permanently cold, and I wriggle when he touches my hips because there are always fresh cuts there. I'm worried he'll just stop wanting to deal with me and leave. Bah. He always asks me to eat for him and does the puppy eyes but I just can't. I had no idea you couldn't travel because of it! :eek: The thing is that half the time I don't even want to be thin anymore. It just is too painful to eat.
I say I want to be normal to my counsellor and she tells me off! :lol: Something about normal being just as impossible to achieve as perfect. But it's a good idea, even if drinking til you pass out isn't. :tongue:
I really admire your strength :smile:


Philosophy and Italian, but I'm changing to FCH Modern Languages this coming year because Philosophy is stressy!
I'm sorry for being harsh but he probably will. At the end of the day, guys do like confident, independent girls and there will come a point when he gives up. Even my family pretty much gave up on me in the end. I know my boyfriend would leave me if I ever had a relapse -- it's just too much for someone to face, especially if they love that person. I mean, think about what it's doing to your man. He probably wants to do so many cute things like go for a meal, go bowling, theme parks etc. with you -- stuff couples do -- but can't because he's scared about your health.
Haha you can't do a lot, trust me! No travelling, no driving. Some gyms won't let you get membership until your BMI is at least 18.5. You can't really drink either because it will really damage your insides.
Yes, normal isn't achievable, but just being like everyone else is. And it's the best feeling in the world. Honestly, my girls just being like 'Jaz, fancy going out for dinner for a catch up?' and me not trying to calculate the calories in the meal and being able to order a main, wine and dessert feels like heaven. And they don't have to worry any more. No one does.
Awww thanks sweetie :smile: x
Reply 3077
Original post by Cinnie
The sense of control and change has been, not over obsessive weight-loss or calorie goals... but over myself, my own appetite and my decisions. Situations like going to the cinema or meals out no longer terrify me, and I try and embrace them and really enjoy them... but, without any conscious effort over what I actually fancy eating, the 'healthy' option always gets picked. I will go to the cinema and instead of wanting popcorn or crisps I will feel like I genuinely want some fruit. Is this me having a healthy lifestyle and my other friends (who are extremely unfit, dont even do any walking, and eat take-aways every day) being in the wrong?
A sense of control is also from not having half as many negative thoughts about myself and not 'deserving' the food. I now have one treat every day, something I love like a slice of cake or piece of chocolate. To me this is a good all-rounded approach to health. But is it... who knows. I also despise take-aways and have no idea whether this is me or not.

I think, like Toto, not setting myself a calorie limit has led myself to overestimate in order to feel 'safe'... leading me to not binge as I don't feel like i'm going without, but loose weight because i'm still way under. I basically feel less of a link between my emotions food... but it may just be hiding better. Hmmm...

And you're right Riku there is no need to have a goal other than living your life to the fullest... Having a very close, (young), family member die recently has proved to me how important that is!


Well this definitely sounds like progress, Cinnie. That's the kind of control I think we're all striving for, I'd imagine. Especially regarding going out again, and treating yourself each day. (Incidentally I've noticed a distinct link between my developing assertiveness and reduction in anxiety at mealtimes. I've actually started to try and eat mindfully again. Still can't eat on the go without getting thrown into a panic, but I hear this is quite common with individuals at risk).
You have me thinking about one of the biggest questions in beating health anxiety. I'm gonna challenge you not to fall down that pit-fall:

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I'm so sorry to hear about your loss. Often it takes the most tragic things to make us realise life's too short to worry about scales and calories. Hang in there!
:hugs:
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gross but the harsh truth

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So many reasons to change.
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Reply 3079
Original post by jazzykinks
Philosophy and Italian, but I'm changing to FCH Modern Languages this coming year because Philosophy is stressy!
I'm sorry for being harsh but he probably will. At the end of the day, guys do like confident, independent girls and there will come a point when he gives up. Even my family pretty much gave up on me in the end. I know my boyfriend would leave me if I ever had a relapse -- it's just too much for someone to face, especially if they love that person. I mean, think about what it's doing to your man. He probably wants to do so many cute things like go for a meal, go bowling, theme parks etc. with you -- stuff couples do -- but can't because he's scared about your health.
Haha you can't do a lot, trust me! No travelling, no driving. Some gyms won't let you get membership until your BMI is at least 18.5. You can't really drink either because it will really damage your insides.
Yes, normal isn't achievable, but just being like everyone else is. And it's the best feeling in the world. Honestly, my girls just being like 'Jaz, fancy going out for dinner for a catch up?' and me not trying to calculate the calories in the meal and being able to order a main, wine and dessert feels like heaven. And they don't have to worry any more. No one does.
Awww thanks sweetie :smile: x


Awesome! Are you going to pick up another language then?
Thank you for telling me all this, I really needed to hear it. :smile: Ruining my life in ways I hadn't even considered. Maybe scaring me into recovery will work! :lol: Plus, I think this all started off as a way for me to be 'perfect' and I realise that it's actually taking me further away. You know what they say, will power is a muscle so I must start exercising it in a more healthy way.

Original post by .snowflake.
E, atleast you've got a boyfriend.


I know, and I should really appreciate him more. I didn't even try to get one though, it just happened! It does add another layer of pressure in my defence - insecurity about how I look naked etc. Like hell is he going to see that when I am so unhappy with it :lol: Although he can pick me up annoyingly easily. Once we were in the park and he threatened to drop me in the pool >.<

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