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    asalaamaleykum brothers and sisters. hope u are all fine. may allah(swt) help you in your life and through your studies.i'll be praying for u
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    (Original post by Florrick)
    Perhaps, it was a bit too blunt but explain how?
    Its not blunt. Its extremely generalising to an extreme and more importantly completely wrong since I can just walk into any street and point at a woman in a hijab who wears make up and jeans underneath.

    Its posts like that that causes segregation and division and pointlessly inflamatory to anyone reading.
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    (Original post by soyasauce)
    i have another random question ( well i always do )

    why are we not allowed to draw eyes ??
    I believe its bcoz its associated with the Dajjaal, the word “Dajjaal” became a title given to the lying, one-eyed, false messiah. The Dajjaal is so called bcoz he will conceal his kufr from the people by lying to them, deceiving them and confusing them.
    However my friend said that on the Day of Judgement all the eyes that hav been drawn will come to life, I dnt believe that but thats her view.
    Hope that helpd
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    asalaamaleykum brothers and sisters. hope u are all fine. may allah(swt) help you in your life and through your studies.i'll be praying for u
    Wasalam
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    asalaamaleykum brothers and sisters. hope u are all fine. may allah(swt) help you in your life and through your studies.i'll be praying for u
    Waslam welcome to the I-soc
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    (Original post by skeanos)
    Its not blunt. Its extremely generalising to an extreme and more importantly completely wrong since I can just walk into any street and point at a woman in a hijab who wears make up and jeans underneath.

    Its posts like that that causes segregation and division and pointlessly inflamatory to anyone reading.
    1) The example of the woman does not make the original user’s post wrong according to what she, V_L4ever, believes is correct in principle.
    2) Aren’t you being “extremely generalising’’ by drawing on the conclusion that the she inadvertently became the cause of ‘’segregation and division’’ and being ‘’inflammatory’’ by posting this.
    3) Conversely, people question Islam’s ethics 24/7 on TSR, for example, on the ask about Islam thread. Therefore, surely, in hindsight to stop ‘’segregation and division’’, that thread should be clamped down? I doubt even Muslims on here would agree.
    4) If an individual happens to disagree with the post and becomes Islamophobic as a result of the ‘’division’’, that makes them no better than an Islamic extremist.
    5) What about those Non-Muslims that happen to agree?
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    (Original post by Florrick)
    1) The example of the woman does not make the original user’s post wrong according to what she, V_L4ever, believes is correct in principle.
    2) Aren’t you being “extremely generalising’’ by drawing on the conclusion that the she inadvertently became the cause of ‘’segregation and division’’ and being ‘’inflammatory’’ by posting this.
    3) Conversely, people question Islam’s ethics 24/7 on TSR, for example, on the ask about Islam thread. Therefore, surely, in hindsight to stop ‘’segregation and division’’, that thread should be clamped down? I doubt even Muslims on here would agree.
    4) If an individual happens to disagree with the post and becomes Islamophobic as a result of the ‘’division’’, that makes them no better than an Islamic extremist.
    1.) My whole point is that her ideas that she thinks are 'correct in principle' can be easily written off by walking into the street.
    2.) That doesn't make sense?.. Comments like those do cause segregation and division obviously. Please can you go and look up the word generalising because it does not apply here at all. I might be being inflammatory but only to highlight attention to a post which has no positive message at all.

    3.) Again..what? The whole point of the ask about Islam thread is to prevent segregation and division by answering peoples questions about peoples beliefs and satisfying curiosity creating a more integrated society - yes I know its only a fourm but still.

    4.) Seriously? Comparing that to islamic extremism? Yes, someone become islamophobic purely because of that post is stupid but based on the situation with islamic extremists and increasing islamophobia, posts like that do not help the issue and help demonize muslims to an even greater extent - this is why I complained about in the first place.

    5.) Just because you believe something is right doesn't give someone the right to post an unprovoked direct comparison insulting western society as implied by the way it was written.
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    (Original post by skeanos)
    1.) My whole point is that her ideas that she thinks are 'correct in principle' can be easily written off by walking into the street.
    Just because others don't follow ''her ideas'' doesn't make them ''easily written off''. They're still open to be pursued.

    2.) That doesn't make sense?.. Comments like those do cause segregation and division obviously. Please can you go and look up the word generalising because it does not apply here at all. I might be being inflammatory but only to highlight attention to a post which has no positive message at all.
    Just because you believe those comments reflect x,y,z mightn't necessarily be that case. That is generalising because you're assuming the goal is to attract segregation whereas why dismiss the choice for people to see and understand Islam's perspective by looking at what she defines as reality?

    3.) Again..what? The whole point of the ask about Islam thread is to prevent segregation and division by answering peoples questions about peoples beliefs and satisfying curiosity creating a more integrated society - yes I know its only a fourm but still.
    But Islam's ethics are open to question, why isn't this the same?

    4.) Seriously? Comparing that to islamic extremism? Yes, someone become islamophobic purely because of that post is stupid but based on the situation with islamic extremists and increasing islamophobia, posts like that do not help the issue and help demonize muslims to an even greater extent - this is why I complained about in the first place.
    Then where does she draw the line? Convert to Christianity in fear?
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    (Original post by Florrick)
    Just because others don't follow ''her ideas'' doesn't make them ''easily written off''. They're still open to be pursued.
    Stop defending the undefendable. This isn't about whether what she is saying is correct or not. I'm pretty sure there are many things to admire in many peoples ideologys good or bad. Its the intention of the post we are talking about.

    Just because you believe those comments reflect x,y,z mightn't necessarily be what you believe she is doing. That is generalising because you're assuming the goal is to attract segregation whereas why dismiss it for people to see and understand Islam's perspective by looking at what she defines as reality?
    I'm affraid igorance isn't bliss. Things can be doen with 'good' intentions but are still wrong. Maybe her intention was to somehow make other muslims feel better about themselves, but clearly the way it is written is inflammatory because of the way it is written. Stop using generalising, that ISN'T generalising. I didn't say it was too attract segregation either, I said it comments like those can cause segregation.


    But Islam's ethics are open to question, why isn't this the same?
    This doesn't make sense. I think your just trying to find a way out of my argument because if you truely believe what your saying then you are suggesting a muslim make a thread so he could answer questions about Islam for purposes other than I have described which is highly unlikey.

    Then why does she draw the line? Convert to Christianity in fear?
    I'm sorry I just don't understand that....
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    (Original post by skeanos)
    Stop defending the undefendable. This isn't about whether what she is saying is correct or not. I'm pretty sure there are many things to admire in many peoples ideologys good or bad. Its the intention of the post we are talking about.



    I'm affraid igorance isn't bliss. Things can be doen with 'good' intentions but are still wrong. Maybe her intention was to somehow make other muslims feel better about themselves, but clearly the way it is written is inflammatory because of the way it is written. Stop using generalising, that ISN'T generalising. I didn't say it was too attract segregation either, I said it comments like those can cause segregation.




    This doesn't make sense. I think your just trying to find a way out of my argument because if you truely believe what your saying then you are suggesting a muslim make a thread so he could answer questions about Islam for purposes other than I have described which is highly unlikey.



    I'm sorry I just don't understand that....

    Attract segregation/can cause segregation, basically the ultimate message is for her to stop questioning what she defines as Western ethics because it's generalising. I don't wish to repeat my argument again as you did, therefore, I'm going to leave it to agree to disagree.
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    (Original post by Florrick)
    Attract segregation/can cause segregation, basically the ultimate message is for her to stop questioning what she defines as Western ethics because it's generalising. I don't wish to repeat my argument again as you did, therefore, I'm going to leave it to agree to disagree.
    You clearly haven't listened to a word i've said. She can hold whatever opinion she wants, but if a point is made, unprovked, in an inflammatory way, then there is no need to say it in the same way that:

    There is opposition to the building of a mosque on ground zero;
    People don't throw religious text into the bin/recycling;

    Its disrecptful and inflammatory.
    If you want to believe i'm trying to stop her questioning her definitions thats fine, i'm just telling you its not the case. If you think writing something like that is not inflammatory in any way at all then there is a deeper issue here.
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    Six beautiful gems for every Muslim to live:


    "1. IMAAN

    Every Muslim should strive for perfect Imaan and have conviction that:

    all success lies only in the hands of ALLAH alone
    the treasures of every thing is in the hands of ALLAH alone
    ALLAH is the creator and controller of all things and conditions
    ALLAH does every thing without the help of the entire creation, while the entire creation can do nothing without the help of ALLAH.

    The Kalima is the most excellent of all form of zikr.

    A person who recites the kalima 100x daily, his face will be shining like the 14th moon on the day of Qiamat.
    Frequent recitation renews the Imaan. It is the best of all good deeds.
    Continuous recitation leaves no sin unwashed.
    Nothing prevents this kalima from reaching ALLAH.


    Listen frequently to talks about the qualities of ALLAH. Speak (give da’wat) many times with the awareness that ALLAH is the creator and controller of every thing. Think & ponder of the attributes of ALLAH.

    Only in following the sunnah of Nabi (SAW) is there success, any other lifestyle leads to failure in this life and in the hereafter.

    To revive a sunnah in the time of Fitnah & corruption, the reward is equal to that of 100 shuhadaa (martyrs).

    Give da’wat about the importance of sunnah Learn & practice daily sunnats.

    2. SALAAH
    Salaah should be given preference over all matters. Our life outside salaah should be on the pattern of salaah. If our salaah is correct, then our whole lives will be corrected. The key to Jannah is through salaat Salaat makes our daily rizq (sustenance) easy Give da’wat about the importance of salaah,Invite towards salaah, Perform long rakaats of nafl salaah

    3. ZIKR
    We should remember the Almighty with every breath we take
    Zikr polishes the heart; brings peace of mind & removes difficulties in this world & uplifts the punishment in the grave
    Learn & read different quranic dua’s …lstighfaar and Durood Shareef

    4. IKRAAM
    A Muslim should always be ready to assist a fellow Muslim at all costs.

    A person who helps a muslim in need ; ALLAH grants 73 favours to such person.1 favour is sufficient to fulfill all his needs in this world & 72 is to raise his status in the hereafter. Make salaam; respect elders & ulama; treat juniors with kindness; visit the sick; attend janaza’s & nikah & give good advice.

    5. IKHLAAS
    Anything we do, we do for Allah alone
    A person who gives a date only to please ALLAH, ALLAH will grant such person a mountain of reward, but if a person gives for name & fame, ALLAH will take them to task.
    To make intention & check during & after deeds that it is solely for the pleasure of ALLAH

    6. DAWAH ILLAL-LAAH ,
    Always show those around you the beauty of our deen.
    One morning or evening in the path of ALLAH is better than the whole world & whatever it contains. A little while in the path of ALLAH is more in reward than making Ibadat the whole night near the Hajeraswad on Laylatul Qadr. The smoke, let alone the fire of Jahannam is not allowed to touch that part of the body on which dust settles in the path of ALLAH"
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    (Original post by Vampire-Love4ever)
    Islam - Marrying young (but after puberty) *Sunnah* (Prevents fitnah)
    Western - Marrying young - ” You’ve given up your life”

    Islam -Modest = Loose and flowing clothes that don’t show off our shape.
    Western - Modest = Jeans and tshirt.

    Islam - Divorce, one of the most hated things allowed by Allah swt.(Last resort)
    Western - Divorce, a common occurrence.

    Islam - “Paradise is under the feet of your mother”
    Western - “I’ll do what I want, it’s my life. I hate you”

    Islam - Women and men should not be alone together unsupervised.
    Western - We’re just friends!

    Islam - Men and women are both equal but both have different and significant roles to play.
    Western - Anything a man can do I can do better.

    Islam- Do not intake anything that intentionally harms your body - intoxicants etc.
    Western - It’s okay! Just try it- everyone’s doing it. *smoking, drugs, alcohol*

    Islam- Wear your Hijab so that you might be recognised for your moral values and to guard your modesty.
    Western - Why should we have to cover up?

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    (Original post by skeanos)
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    To be honest, I can see where Skeanos' coming from.

    From what I understood he was saying it was wrong to make a generalisation of what the West is like - and there's nothing wrong with that. Yes we see most people do fit into what Vampire_Lover wrote BUT there are also others who don't believe/act that same way. It's like on a forum someone said how White women are 'sl@gs" or something and a White convert felt angered by this because its a wrong generalisation and his family had been insulted by it. (Of course this example is obviously wrong where as the other isn't that much, but the point can still stand)

    Skeanos also wasn't saying the principles of Islam are wrong, he didn't question them at all, from what I understood and what he said about girls on the street is true

    we didn't really need to get defensive imo
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    (Original post by Tpos)
    To be honest, I can see where Skeanos' coming from.

    From what I understood he was saying it was wrong to make a generalisation of what the West is like - and there's nothing wrong with that. Yes we see most people do fit into what Vampire_Lover wrote BUT there are also others who don't believe/act that same way. It's like on a forum someone said how White women are 'sl@gs" or something and a White convert felt angered by this because its a wrong generalisation and his family had been insulted by it. (Of course this example is obviously wrong where as the other isn't that much, but the point can still stand)

    Skeanos also wasn't saying the principles of Islam are wrong, he didn't question them at all, from what I understood and what he said about girls on the street is true

    we didn't really need to get defensive imo
    It probably wasn't the best way of giving a message. I agree.
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