Miliband is ****ed
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Re: Miliband is ****edOh, the one on the left. No question about it(Original post by usainlightning)
Which one do reckon looks more like a potential prime minister?
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Re: Miliband is ****edProblem is Miliband said the fightback starts in Scotland. And look at the council elections in England. The lib Dems got destroyed but the Tory vote held. Ed is also losing the fight for Middle England and he cannot win the election without that vote as well as a Scottish vote.(Original post by WelshBluebird)
Yet look at Wales. On their way to a possible majority, and almost certainly will be in government in the WAG for the next 4 years. -
Re: Miliband is ****edyour avatar(Original post by usainlightning)
Which one do reckon looks more like a potential prime minister?
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Re: Miliband is ****ed
The Scottish elections showed how Labour, with a faceless and awkward leader, can get absolutely sodomised. Take note, Mr Miliband.
Hear-bloody-hear.(Original post by jacketpotato)
"Negativity"?
Opposition parties are supposed to criticise the government. The English system is based on opposition parties scrutinising the government, that is what they are supposed to do... -
Re: Miliband is ****edNot really, that's what elections are for - the public didn't choose Labour at the last election, so I'm not sure what is to be gained by putting forward the same policies. The job of the opposition is to make sure that the government face proper scrutiny, its more important that the government's policies get implemented properly than it is for lots of ideas to be floating around. The Leader of the Opposition isn't just a wannabe-Prime Minister, its a proper role with an important function.(Original post by arabcnesbit)
They are also supposed to put forward an alternative. Another Ed Failure. He is a joke candidate, plain and simple. What are the odds of a different leader for the libdems and labour before the next election?Last edited by jacketpotato; 07-05-2011 at 22:56. -
Re: Miliband is ****edSo when he's repeatedly asked what he would do and what he would cut and refuses to answer, you think this is ok?(Original post by jacketpotato)
Not really, that's what elections are for - the public didn't choose Labour at the last election, so I'm not sure what is to be gained by putting forward the same policies. The job of the opposition is to make sure that the government face proper scrutiny, its more important that the government's policies get implemented properly than it is for lots of ideas to be floating around. The Leader of the Opposition isn't just a wannabe-Prime Minister, its a proper role with an important function.
Either way, he's not doing a very good job of holding the government to account either. Can't see anything but a Tory majority at the next election, even with Scameron. -
Re: Miliband is ****edI would say the SNP is right-of-centre and left-of-centre based on policy. Fiscally conservative (with council tax freeze, plans to cut corporation tax to, I am guessing, 10-12% and generally removing all forms of 'tax' in the form of tuition and prescriptions). But more 'liberal' in social policy - keeping NHS in public hands, state focus on employment (a sickening emphasis by Sturgeon on kicking out the Private Sector in the area of cleaning...).(Original post by Millz)
How would you describe the SNP are they right of centre?
Additionally, are they like the BNP? Sorry if I sorry if I sound like a fool but I do not know anything about Scottish politics.
Far from the BNP, that is for sure. -
Re: Miliband is ****edI am sick of this 'subsidy' claim. We put more into the UK than we get out of it. If you draw on income tax alone, we get more back. But if you add in the crown estate, corporation tax, North Sea Oil Revenues, etc, etc, then we put in well over £100 billion per year.(Original post by jcockerill1)
If Scotland want to become independent, they're more than welcome to doing so. Will save the rest of the UK some money, and anyway Miliband has more than enough time to pull round support by 2015, for years is a lot of time to make up any kind of ground on the government. -
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I think Ed is getting pipped by David at PMQ's.
The usual (simplified) format is Ed saying: 'Why are you cutting this blah blah blah.' Davids response is usually: 'Well infact we're cutting this blah blah blah and this will actually make it better!'
It's annoying to not actually be able to hear the alternative to the cuts, because Ed doesn't seem to have a valid alternative. Which is a shame.
Long term: Conservative will get voted out because people aren't going to like the cuts. When perhaps, (only time will tell) they may be the right thing to do given our current situation. And I will believe this until I hear a valid alternative from Labour. I just hope they have one because the chance of the tories holding power looks slim. -
Re: Miliband is ****edI kind of agree with you on the whole - but I also agree with the other poster that there should be some alternative policies presented, esp. when it is a major issue.(Original post by jacketpotato)
Not really, that's what elections are for - the public didn't choose Labour at the last election, so I'm not sure what is to be gained by putting forward the same policies. The job of the opposition is to make sure that the government face proper scrutiny, its more important that the government's policies get implemented properly than it is for lots of ideas to be floating around. The Leader of the Opposition isn't just a wannabe-Prime Minister, its a proper role with an important function.
As the public, I think most of us would like to know what the opposition is proposing instead.
You've probably noticed that the Tories' reasoning for half of their policies since they've came in has been...'Its Labour's fault - we have no choice but to do this'.
In response, I would expect from Labour some sort of alternative. What can be done differently that would be more beneficial (or less harmful) than the government's proposals? -
Re: Miliband is ****edSignature win.(Original post by usainlightning)
To be fair labour did pretty well in Wales. They may even achieve a majority.
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Re: Miliband is ****edYet the Scots still manage to have free uni fees in Scotland, free prescriptions, free opticians, etc. All of that may become available to the rest of the UK if Scotland was to become independent.(Original post by Stanley Baldwin)
I am sick of this 'subsidy' claim. We put more into the UK than we get out of it. If you draw on income tax alone, we get more back. But if you add in the crown estate, corporation tax, North Sea Oil Revenues, etc, etc, then we put in well over £100 billion per year.
If Scotland think they'd be better off without us, then by all means they should go for it. However, I don't think they've got a single bit of help on their own; their health is amongst the worst in Europe. -
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Re: Miliband is ****edDoubt the coalition will even exist in 2015, the way things are going. If it was the charismatic David Milliband, the tories would be screwed, but instead our only hope is his oddball brother...