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why is christianity the fastest growing religion in the world?

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    (Original post by Alex-jc123)
    Have you read the biographies and evidence of Hitler's life? He hated Christianity and hated Jews even more. He was indeed baptised into the Catholic Church, but he renounced his faith whilst still in infancy.

    You have such a silly outlook on history. It is certain arrogance when a human makes such bold assumptions as you have done, but provides no evidence or debate.

    So, you think 'evidence' is the key to religion? Please read around more before you throw such simplistic assumptions at me.
    This is true. Hitler also viewed the Catholic and Protestant churches as threats, as they could divert people's loyalty away from the Nazi cause. As a result he tried settign up puppet churches that supported the Nazis, and sent a lot of priests and ministers to labour camps if they didn't toe the Nazi ideology. Think he eventually wanted to eradictate Christianity from Germany.
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    According to the article, Islam is...

    FAIL.
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    (Original post by EssexDan86)
    This is true. Hitler also viewed the Catholic and Protestant churches as threats, as they could divert people's loyalty away from the Nazi cause. As a result he tried settign up puppet churches that supported the Nazis, and sent a lot of priests and ministers to labour camps if they didn't toe the Nazi ideology. Think he eventually wanted to eradictate Christianity from Germany.
    Exactly. He had all Christian youth groups destroyed and replaced with Hitler Youth organisations, and he attempted to abolish all Christian imagery by replacing them with Nazi symbols and Mein Kampf. He only showed support to Christian Churches when he needed their support, such as the Concordat with the Catholic Church.
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    (Original post by j.alexanderh)
    What a load of rubbish. I would respond to it myself, but it's too long and I will die of boredom.



    Nothing godlike has to exist, if by godlike you mean an intelligent, self-aware, omnipotent, omniscient creator. Those are just properties that have been arbitrarily ascribed to the alleged cause of the universe. Read the Discussion and Objection sections of this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalam_c...gical_argument for some flaws and rebuttals of your argument. Colliding branes (a la M-theory) have been posited as a cause for the universe (should it have one), for example, and they have no godlike properties.
    The criticisms section of the Kalam article:

    Most of the arguments are based either on quantum theory (which is in turn based on the laws of physics, which in part of my argument must come from something), or other examples - radioactive decay (which requires particles in the first place) - Casimir effect, which requires fields created by matter - Iqbal assumes that the universe is infinite, which it is *not* (http://www.thekeyboard.org.uk/What%20is%20infinity.htm , quotes Hawking), at least not according every reasonable supposition I've seen.

    If nothing existed, neither did rules - they would firstly have no cause to exist (which doesn't make it impossible that they did, but) - the laws would have to start at some point. The 'universe' is governed by laws.

    All the theories non compatible with the picture of the the universe in my article - not having the view of universe as anything other than a single 'plane' with a start - involve an "infinite loop of universes". I looked at this in my article - is a series of events is infinite, time can never pass and so none of the universes will ever end or pass on to the next ["finger click and chocolate model" in the article].

    Now I don't claim them to be perfect, but I claim them to be valid.

    As for virtual particles, as far as I can think, if they are cycling between two 'states', then that "cycle" must have had a start? I'm no physist but I would assume that a particle must have at least had a 'first' 'on' state.


    Lastly, if you read the article, you would see I do not claim anything existing as "intelligent, self-aware, omnipotent, [or] omniscient", until establishing something without a start or finish which caused the universe.

    In fact, I ask the question
    Must this creativeness be a conscience? What is the alternative?
    and then
    Just how creative must this creativity be? Is it the same as our creativity (i.e., deliberate and planned)?
    and
    More importantly, as we’re not necessarily talking about conscious making yet, the real question is can a void cause rules?
    and then go on to explain the reasoning.

    I would appreciate you reading the article so that we can discuss 'on the same playing field'. Up to you.


    EDIT: Colliding Branes are temporary and material. They may have been the first thing in the universe, there may be many different possibilities for the beginning of the chain of events. I'm not saying that the universe exactly as we know it must be directly caused by God/"the Extime", I even say its possible this is one of many universes, but that there has to be a start. As with anything that exists materially, there has to be a start.
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    (Original post by Don Serious)
    Basically, Muslims and Christians are just racing each other to grow..they do this by having lots of kids and forcing their religions upon other people...of course more people will convert to Christianity or Islam if that's all they ever hear about. How often do you see a Buddhist knocking on your door, telling you to 'join up?'
    To be perfectly honest, I've never seen any religion apart from Jehovah's Witnesses (who are not Christians) knocking on people's doors... :facepalm2:
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    (Original post by mevidek)
    According to the article, Islam is...

    FAIL.
    in what way?
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    (Original post by Black Butler)
    in what way?
    Look at the percentage increase in Christianity and in Islam. Islam is 1.40% while Christianity is 1.38% :/

    Unfortunately Christianity in a more liberal perspective isn't growing as much as the fundamentalist Islam (I'm not saying all Muslims are fundamentalists)
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    (Original post by robstening)
    The criticisms section of the Kalam article:

    Most of the arguments are based either on quantum theory (which is in turn based on the laws of physics, which in part of my argument must come from something), or other examples - radioactive decay (which requires particles in the first place) - Casimir effect, which requires fields created by matter - Iqbal assumes that the universe is infinite, which it is *not* (http://www.thekeyboard.org.uk/What%20is%20infinity.htm , quotes Hawking), at least not according every reasonable supposition I've seen.

    If nothing existed, neither did rules - they would firstly have no cause to exist (which doesn't make it impossible that they did, but) - the laws would have to start at some point. The 'universe' is governed by laws.

    All the theories non compatible with the picture of the the universe in my article - not having the view of universe as anything other than a single 'plane' with a start - involve an "infinite loop of universes". I looked at this in my article - is a series of events is infinite, time can never pass and so none of the universes will ever end or pass on to the next ["finger click and chocolate model" in the article].

    Now I don't claim them to be perfect, but I claim them to be valid.

    As for virtual particles, as far as I can think, if they are cycling between two 'states', then that "cycle" must have had a start? I'm no physist but I would assume that a particle must have at least had a 'first' 'on' state.


    Lastly, if you read the article, you would see I do not claim anything existing as "intelligent, self-aware, omnipotent, [or] omniscient", until establishing something without a start or finish which caused the universe.

    In fact, I ask the question and then and and then go on to explain the reasoning.

    I would appreciate you reading the article so that we can discuss 'on the same playing field'. Up to you.


    EDIT: Colliding Branes are temporary and material. They may have been the first thing in the universe, there may be many different possibilities for the beginning of the chain of events. I'm not saying that the universe exactly as we know it must be directly caused by God/"the Extime", I even say its possible this is one of many universes, but that there has to be a start. As with anything that exists materially, there has to be a start.
    Read the first section of this: http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show...5#post16537705. It's basically a condensed (but far better expressed) version of what I was going to say. We don't know enough about the universe to draw conclusions about its origins. Sorry, I'm not going to go through the whole article with you purely because of the number of fallacies in the first few sections. I don't have the time or the patience to go through the whole thing.
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    (Original post by Limitless)
    Why not?
    Because Christianity has coloured culture too; it has contributed to the richness of the world. Sure, Christanity has been mankind's greatest tragedy according to many, but it is the product of the past, as Nietzsche said, it is the summing up of everything in the pagan world. It is the final consequence of Judaism, and it has given us the noblest human being: Jesus Christ.

    Plus, it is nice to have opponents to fight and criticise, and we should be eternally thankful for Christianity for that opportunity. So I, personally, would not like to see Christianity obliterated from history entirely.
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    (Original post by humanrights)
    hitler wasn't christian. the nazis hated christianity.


    hitler was a socialist.

    Hitler was not a Christian - He ordered the burning of bibles during WW2
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    (Original post by mathsgraecia)
    islam is definately the fastest growing religion, not christianity. Why? because of the logical nature of the religion. In today's secular society we are taught to value reason and hence Islam is the most appealing. There are no contradictions in the Quran, it even says so in the book itself:
    "Do they not carefully consider the Koran. If it had been from anyone other than God, they would have found in it many contradictions." Koran.

    The scientific system of inquiry is emphasized time and again by the Koran. The linking of science and rationality with the verses of the Koran is not only legitimized but also encouraged by God in the Koran. The Koran tells the reader that if he/she does not know something or are unsure they should ask"those who are informed (Koran 25:59)." In the case of all the scientific and natural phenomena discussed in the Koran, the people having knowledge and information would most definitely be the scientists. Thus the Koran discourages unreasoned belief.

    the Koran gives an accurate visual description of the Big Bang theory of the creation of the universe. In the 21st chapter, verse 30 (21:30), the Koran states:
    "Do not the rejecters see that the heavens and earth were a unit joined together then we split them apart (21:30)."
    This is exactly how the 'rejecter' scientists envision the creation of the universe, from one singularity, which then exploded, termed the 'big bang'. Thus the Koran told us about the "common origin" of everything in the universe much before scientists described it in the 20th century. How do we explain this information in the Koran if it is not what it claims to be, the words of an all-knowing ?
    Professor Alfred Kroner, chairman of the Department of Geology at the Institute of Geosciences, Johannes Gutenburg University, Mainz, Germany stated about this verse in the Koran:
    "Somebody who did not know something about nuclear physics 1400 years ago could not, I think, be in a position to find out from his own mind for instance that the earth and the heavens had the same origin, or many others of the questions that we have discussed here.(Rehaili 1995)"

    Many converts are aetheists. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IspK...eature=related
    I dont know whether to laugh or be sick

    Logical nature?

    Muslims are forbidden to question the quran - forbidden to notice allah makes stupid, ignorant and false statements, forbidden to notice there are over 1000 contradictions in the quran.

    Can you actually find even 1 example of for example science in the quran that has not allready been proven to be false/lies/muslims using taqqiya?

    Anyone else reading this - muslims consider it is honourable to lie about islam to disguise its evil nature, teachings, goals, in order to get someone to pervert to islam.
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    I think the reason is because of the idea that Christians are made free when they believe in God. Salvation is very attractive.
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    Why don't you show us the numbers of people that leave Christianity every year? I guarantee it will be higher than those who join the religion in the west, and as for developing countries, once they become developed, numbers will start decreasing too and following the same trend as in the west. Secularism is the future.
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    The right question is:

    Why is Christianity the most left religion?
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    i believe that there are same amount of number of people converting to Christianity, than leaving Christianity. have any of you notice, the fast growing religion, or shall i say ideology might be atheism?
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    (Original post by Happy forever)
    The right question is:

    Why is Christianity the most religion left by its followers ?
    The right question is, "What on earth is going on with your grammar and syntax?"
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    (Original post by JWR189)
    The right question is, "What on earth is going on with your grammar and syntax?"
    May you correct me?
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    sorry mate i know you fgeel upset and cant take it that muslims are growing faster so you thought youll make up a thread to put into peoples minds that chritianlty is growing faster its not

    25 from 2000 years ago

    23 and 1400 years for muslims weve caguht up twice as fast fool
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    (Original post by robstening)
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    The idea of a single creator and a single all-powerful entity caring for you is more comforting/appealing/likely than the thought of many flawed characters. .
    Yes, you're right because this is the first natural thought can be known by any human if he meditate accurately the beauty of nature which is ceated by The One Creator.

    The polytheistic religions mostly grow within their own cultures
    Of course. As you said in the previous sentence, it is so easy for a man to know His God His Creator and it is culture (religion of parents and community) that distorts this natural fact.

    Christianity is growing faster than Islam, theologically speaking because:
    . The message that God removed all his Glory, gave up everything to have a human life, to demonstrate how powerful His love was, is (true or not) a very powerful message
    On the contrary, some leave Christianity and become Muslims for this reason. Nothing is like The God The Creator and The Creator. A god without glory?! You mean to be hamble and modest?
    That ok for humans among each other but not God with his creatures. Why do he create us? Not to worship Him? Not to glorify Him? Not to believe in Him? Not to follow His orders? Why are we created then? To kill each other? To hurm others feeling for no reason? To steal? To commit adultry? And no judgment because god is without golry and likes to be a creature with desires and needs and evil like his creatures?
    Do you think this great life is for vain?

    You said
    to demonstrate how powerful His love was
    And what about now? His lve is not powerful no more? He lose his power like us? or maybe he will die.
    The God loves Who bey Him not loves humans because they are humans. The God will punish the disobeyers because He is The Justice and the evil is not like ethe good as the seer is not like the blind.


    I won't analyse basing on the assumption that multiple Gods exist, because of the theory *if they created the world they would be infinite and thus take up all of the "space" outside the universe.*. Plus of course the "convert" rate from polytheisms exceed the "convert" rate to them (exlcuding those brought up as adherents)
    The God is not finite. The God is not confined to a place or a time. If there are more than one god for sure there will be struggle among them for who holds the throne.
    Of course number of people is with no importance. You may live in an atheist country but will never be affected with their ignorance and may be you can affect them with your truth. Truth is the truth not the number of people.


    . And Christianity spreads faster than Islam because Christians believe they can not only experience God's presence and bring others to it (common to both), but
    . Christians have access, because of Jesus, to God's Spirit, whereas Moslems not believing this will probably not be filled with the Spirit, at least not to the extent they could if they directly asked for this.
    This contradicts your first sentence.
    This is against nature. Tell me if you were born in a desolate island, will you be able to discover The Christ Jesus by yourself? or will you discover The One Creator The One God by yourself?

    This is the pure fact. The God created us with mind to know Him through His great creation.

    May The God guide you Mr Rob.
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    (Original post by humanrights)
    25 million new adherents a year compared to islams 22.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claims_...owing_religion



    bad news for athiests either way..........
    I don't see why this is "bad news" for atheists. Religious beliefs aren't some kind of battle where you need to get the most "followers" to win.

    Some religious people have a goal to convert people, whether this is to 'save them' from some kind of hell or something they have some kind of reason. Why would people not being atheist be bad for other atheists?
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