[QuantumOverlord]

Okay a slightly "geeky" thread, but there has been alot of debate on this, and I want to know what people think.

My guess would be mace windu for the following reasons:

1) Takes on sideous and wins (without anakins intervention)
2) Only jedi that uses vaapad and doesnt turn to the darkside
3) Unique lightsaber and fighting abilities
4) Ability to see "shatterpoints"
5) Can attack while freefalling (I doubt even sideous can claim to that)
6) Able to refect force lightning, the only other that can do this is Yoda, and he can only do it with great efford (or with dookus weaker lightning)
7) Even as far back as Ep1, windu feels somewhat of sideous distrubances "Which was destroyed the master or the aprentice", "I feel much confusion in you skywalker"
8) Also the bottom line is, simply by being sith you are more powerful, sith> jedi yet even despite this windu rivalls sideous.
9) His relative youth, yoda had been knocking around for 100s of years, whereas windu got powerful in less than 30.

[doctorryan]

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[History-Student]

Do you mean in the films or overall?

Because the power creep in the Expanded Universe stuff is ridiculous. Compared to some of the characters in the comics/games/etc., Mace Windu is totally ****ed.

[Ape Gone Insane]

Darth Bane I would imagine. Sidious is also definitely up there.

[lukejoshjedi]

Disgregard the non-canon

It's clearly Annie-kin

[Ape Gone Insane]

(Original post by lukejoshjedi)
Disgregard the non-canon

It's clearly Annie-kin

Not Luke?

[lukejoshjedi]

(Original post by Ape Gone Insane)
Not Luke?

Nah the way I see it Luke was never stronger than Anakin as he originally was (who was 'The one' in the prophecies and all that), he was just way weakened cos like half his body got burnt up and he had to wear the Vader suit - if he was just normally able bodied I think he'd still have been 'the strongest' Jedi

[QuantumOverlord]

(Original post by lukejoshjedi)
Nah the way I see it Luke was never stronger than Anakin as he originally was (who was 'The one' in the prophecies and all that), he was just way weakened cos like half his body got burnt up and he had to wear the Vader suit - if he was just normally able bodied I think he'd still have been 'the strongest' Jedi

Still think its mace windu :P, (see my OP)

[Clip]

Based only on the films, it's easily Obi Wan.

He killed Darth Maul, spanked Anakin, killed General Grievous, had what I would term to be a draw with Darth Vader in Episode IV.

[MagicNMedicine]

(Original post by Clip)
He killed Darth Maul, spanked Anakin, killed General Grievous, had what I would term to be a draw with Darth Vader in Episode IV.

So how do you class wins and draws?

Didn't he also draw with Darth Maul and General Grievous?

[MagicNMedicine]

(Original post by QuantumOverlord)
Okay a slightly "geeky" thread, but there has been alot of debate on this, and I want to know what people think.

My guess would be mace windu for the following reasons:

Never mind that list did you see Mace Windu in Pulp Fiction and Snakes on a Plane, he was badass in those

[anti-duck]

Leon Spinks.

[Mo-Amin]

I would imagine Bane and Anakin up there. Obi-Wan would definitely be in the running too.

I'm not being objective about this but I think Windu was incredible. His death was criminal IMO, and would have only grown in strength. Ah well...

Maybe he who is the most powerful is the one who is able to refrain from wielding it. Maybe our definition of 'powerful' should be examined a little.

[shadow12345]

Either yoda/mace windu or anakin ...

I'm trying to think who was paulpittins master ? Cause he was pretty sick too !

[Christien]

Yoda. Because he's good at fighting (to the extent where he held his own against Palpatine), unfathomably wise, and is the only Jedi to come out of the series without being mutilated in some fashion despite presiding over the Order for hundreds of years.

[Paranoid Android 64]

(Original post by QuantumOverlord)
Okay a slightly "geeky" thread, but there has been alot of debate on this, and I want to know what people think.

My guess would be mace windu for the following reasons:

1) Takes on sideous and wins (without anakins intervention)
2) Only jedi that uses vaapad and doesnt turn to the darkside
3) Unique lightsaber and fighting abilities
4) Ability to see "shatterpoints"
5) Can attack while freefalling (I doubt even sideous can claim to that)
6) Able to refect force lightning, the only other that can do this is Yoda, and he can only do it with great efford (or with dookus weaker lightning)
7) Even as far back as Ep1, windu feels somewhat of sideous distrubances "Which was destroyed the master or the aprentice", "I feel much confusion in you skywalker"
8) Also the bottom line is, simply by being sith you are more powerful, sith> jedi yet even despite this windu rivalls sideous.
9) His relative youth, yoda had been knocking around for 100s of years, whereas windu got powerful in less than 30.

10) He's mother****in' Samuel L. Jackson

[Bobifier]

(Original post by QuantumOverlord)
Okay a slightly "geeky" thread, but there has been alot of debate on this, and I want to know what people think.

My guess would be mace windu for the following reasons:

1) Takes on sideous and wins (without anakins intervention)
2) Only jedi that uses vaapad and doesnt turn to the darkside
3) Unique lightsaber and fighting abilities
4) Ability to see "shatterpoints"
5) Can attack while freefalling (I doubt even sideous can claim to that)
6) Able to refect force lightning, the only other that can do this is Yoda, and he can only do it with great efford (or with dookus weaker lightning)
7) Even as far back as Ep1, windu feels somewhat of sideous distrubances "Which was destroyed the master or the aprentice", "I feel much confusion in you skywalker"
8) Also the bottom line is, simply by being sith you are more powerful, sith> jedi yet even despite this windu rivalls sideous.
9) His relative youth, yoda had been knocking around for 100s of years, whereas windu got powerful in less than 30.

This is all perfectly true, but all you have really demonstrated is that Windu is excellent at awesome Jedi battles. It also is arguably the case that Sideous allowed himself to lose to Windu in order to complete Anakin's conversion.

That said, I do think Windu has something on the rest of the Jedi. He seems to be at least more open to the ideas of the dark side, and I personally find some Jedi philosophy so ridiculous that to follow it completely would half cripple a Jedi no matter how powerful he was. In the extended universe Yoda himself acknowledges that he was unable to defeat Sideous in the third film because the Jedi order had stagnated under its own rules.

In terms of raw power, I would say that Yoda is the obvious choice in terms of what he has demonstrated, but they always made a big thing of Anakin being the best thing ever, despite us never actually seeing it on screen. I actually think that, while Sideous was obviously very skillful and powerful, his real edge lay in his ability to manipulate those around him rather than just his Jedi powers. By the (in universe) end of the series it is possibly Luke since he has probably inherited a lot of Anakin's powers whilst also not having most his body burned off.

And that is absolutely the nerdiest post I have ever made.

[Bobifier]

There is a Star Wars wiki floating around the internet somewhere, and it is amusing because it says of just about every Jedi who played a significant role in any of the films either "***** was among the most powerful Jedi of all time" or "***** was among the greatest lightsaber duellists of all time". It's as if all the great Jedi in history were born simultaneously :P

[QuantumOverlord]

(Original post by Paranoid Android 64)
10) He's mother****in' Samuel L. Jackson

Dam, I missed out the most important reason

[Clip]

(Original post by MagicNMedicine)
So how do you class wins and draws?

Didn't he also draw with Darth Maul and General Grievous?

He cut Darth Maul in half, and blew Grievous up.

Against Darth Vader, they were fighting, and then he gave up for some reason which I've never been quite clear about.