Ok. Having decided, I've essentially forgotten all specific information on all other courses, including what people have said to me, but I will try and remember and redo some research and get back to you with specifics.
(Original post by Panayiotis)
Dear mathsmusicfrench I would appreciate it a lot if you could provide me with some information on the UCL Law/French Law course.
I looked at the course, didn't fancy it, and decided to apply for Law LLB, but then I said in my application covering letter to UCL direct that I wouldn't mind consideration for the French course if they felt it was more appropriate and they were unable to offer me a place on the LLB. (the same happens in reverse for people who apply for French Law)
What I do remember is in the spoiler. (I figured I wouldn't "spoil" everyone's life by boring them with the petty details of my brain's inner workings)
From what I remember you don't actually gain anything tangible from an extra year of uni debt, and countless hours of struggling with essays and lectures in French. You get no tuition in the language, and lectures are in French from day 1. Other places (Exeter, Leicester, KCL?) give you a joint degree in two countries (maitrise), some places give you a joint degree in this country. I've just looked it up UCL gives you "a Bachelor of Laws honours degree from University College London together with a Diploma or Certificate in French Law. (UCL website)
Now I'm not sure what that is really but it doesn't sound particularly CV enhancing for a lawyer in the UK.
Ok, I've remembered now what I heard. Someone I know (a pupil barrister, as it happens!) had a friend at UCL (can't remember if it was Law) who said that its quite factory-like in its processing of students, not much a sense of community (although the Law department is much more insular than the rest of the college.) The UCL course (if you look at the modules on their website) only has French law in years 1 and 2 and its lumped into one module entitled "European Legal studies (French)" part I and part II. It strikes me that UCL French Law is essentially a Law degree with a few modules about French Law thrown in, like you might opt for some modules in, say, Family law or Employment law. At other places it forms a more integral part of your course. For example at Exeter, the study of French law is broken into topics such as French Admin Law, French Constit Law, French Contract law and you study a module of French law each year. The people on the course become a support group for each other, (only about 20 places) which doesn't seem to happen in UCL necessarily.
I think people who apply for Law/French Law courses want one of two things.
i) a QLD in the UK and a thorough grounding in French Law to satisfy their career ambitions/academic interests/other personal reasons such as growing up in France or being French
ii) a QLD in the UK with the opportunity to keep up and develop the French language they learnt at school.
I think UCL is the best place for neither of these. Essentially, that is why I don't rate their French Law course particularly above other similar courses and why I didn't apply.
A final point is that UCL is such a good place, such a reputable place, to study law, that if you are going there you might as well get on with it quickly and do a straight LLB, which is a highly rated degree from UCL and which will give you just as much respect and progress through a legal career/training for one as a French Law degree from UCL will, and in addition you will be one year less old and one year less poor.
I now need to attach the standard disclaimer where I say that UCL is a really, really, really good uni, and studying anything there is worth it. They don't offer "bad" courses so any degree is a winner really, and don't take my advice as a reason to avoid UCL.
There you are, that's everything I have to say, hope you enjoyed it, hope its helpful.
Last edited by mathsmusicfrench; 27-04-2012 at 00:30.
The only problem with that is the AAB offers are given to those with education disadvantage. And the ABC probably is fake, or the person had serious mitigating circumstances.
(Original post by admbeatmaker)
Looking at the offers thread, some have AAB offers and there's even an ABC offer. So in my opinion, definitely worth putting as an insurance choice.
At least that makes sense, not like somebody on here with a Notts AAB offer as firm and a QM A*AA offer as insurance. That really is just greediness.
Last edited by tehforum; 07-05-2012 at 14:47.
(Original post by PortionsForFoxes)
If you're interested, Warwick did say at the law open day that if you were to miss your offer by one grade in one subject, they'll still accept you if they have places. I was one of those educationally disadvantaged (lucky me
), so I've gone with Warwick (AAAD) as my firm and Bristol (AAB) as my insurance
Ah, no I am not going to risk that.
The woman who was showing our group around actually missed her offer by ONE UMS last year.
Yet, they said we can't let you in - there are no spare places.
Luckily, she got a remark and it went up.
And with increased competition, I can't see any chance of getting into Warwick if I miss a grade, unless I get a remark.
Last edited by tehforum; 07-05-2012 at 14:46.