[KaurPrincess]

(Original post by RoshniDiya)
So was I, but that didn't make me passionate about Sikhi... I was asking about what in particular had influenced those who have come to love Sikhi, read gurbani, learn history etc like for me personally, I read Chaupai Sahib and everything changed.

i think my family being quite strong sikhs helped especially since i was taught punjabi and stuff like sakhis from an early age
but also kirtan, personally, is one of the best things i like about sikhi
i love the way everything in the SGGS is arranged in raags and so has a specific mood, and also how easy it is to understand most shabads
music makes the gurbani so much easier and more accessable to everyone

[KaurPrincess]

(Original post by lovely_me)
Namaste fellow Sikhs.

namaste?!

[USB]

(Original post by KaurPrincess)
namaste?!

I believe it is a Hindi greeting.

Generally, most Sikhs greet one another with "Sat Sri Akhal" .

[jasbirsingh]

(Original post by KaurPrincess)
there are usually classes at gurdwaras, and sometimes raagis teach there too...
well at least around london there are quite a few teachers and ustaads for most indian instruments as well as for kirtan
out of interest, where did you learn in india?

Well, there are gurudwaras around here where they teach Kirtan but too far. Actually, My dad does Kirtan but he plays hormonium not Tabla. I am from New Delhi, so that's where I use to learn.

[KaurPrincess]

(Original post by jasbirsingh)
Well, there are gurudwaras around here where they teach Kirtan but too far. Actually, My dad does Kirtan but he plays hormonium not Tabla. I am from New Delhi, so that's where I use to learn.

ah i've been to delhi but the only time i learnt kirtan in india was in chandigarh a few years ago
i guess you could practise with your dad so you dont forget...also ive seen some books about tabla, which are quite good...

[okapobcfc08]

on a different note, can someone set up a vote like on" whether Singh Sahib Jarnail Singh was terrorist or freedom fighter", cus id be interested to know how the vote swings. Dont 4get that Sikhs did well drawing 50% of votes in the for/against Kirpan thread.

[okapobcfc08]

for anybody who wants to know the truth on Singh Sahib Sant Jarnail Singh Khalsa please read this great pdf

http://www.sikhcoalition.org/SantJarnailSingh.pdf

[Nizzay!]

I'm not Sikh but I just wanted to be here because of all the punjabis

[Lehmber Hussainpuri]

safe I'm sikh

[KaurPrincess]

(Original post by Nizzay!)
I'm not Sikh but I just wanted to be here because of all the punjabis

we should set up a punjabi society =)

[Florrick]

Joined.

Ghreat Khali, a fellow Punjabi WWE wrestler. Awesome!

[okapobcfc08]

why do we keep disagreeing on 1984? Why is our religion and it's people asleep as so called "greats of the panth" attack Sri Dasam Granth and Rehat Maryada? What are the problems? Why have we not been able to shake of caste? Why are we so uneducated that we fail to win over the argument when hindus and muslims suggest we are a part of them? Why is a khalistani marked out as a terrorist? So many questions what are the answers? Please discuss I would like to know what people think

[SinghSTAR]

(Original post by jasbirsingh)
I use to play tabla when I was in India but when I came here I didn't find any ustad around where I live.

You're right. There are hardly any Punjabi, Kirtan, Vaaja, Tabla teachers around. It's okay around the areas with a large Sikh community (places like Birmingham, Coventry, etc) but outside of those areas, there is no support. It makes me very sad, to be honest. It really hit me while I was doing my Punjabi GCSE. I had no support, and basically taught myself the language. I did have a teacher, but she was clueless. Luckily, I'm good at languages otherwise I'd have done even worse than how I think I have. :O

Thanks to Aunty Bakshinder, who, without her, I would have had no interest in Sikhi or Punjabi.

[navarre]

I'm not Sikh, but I find the religion so awesome, I'm going to post here

[KaurPrincess]

(Original post by okapobcfc08)
why do we keep disagreeing on 1984? Why is our religion and it's people asleep as so called "greats of the panth" attack Sri Dasam Granth and Rehat Maryada? What are the problems? Why have we not been able to shake of caste? Why are we so uneducated that we fail to win over the argument when hindus and muslims suggest we are a part of them? Why is a khalistani marked out as a terrorist? So many questions what are the answers? Please discuss I would like to know what people think

people are not taking sikhi seriously, or are becoming drawn in by other ways of living...they may find sikhi too strict and hard to follow, and a lot of sikhs nowadays dont know enough about their religion to understand whats going on
and the caste system is one of the silliest things that people believe in...and they say they follow sikhi, when sikhi is all about equality...
part of the problem may also be due to the thousands of sikhs killed in 1984 and related happenings, and the drugs problems in punjab right now
i am actually quite proud when i think of all the times sikhs have been persecuted but have still managed to survive...i mean we are the 5th biggest religion, right?
i think we should go one question/topic at a time since it will become too muddles otherwise!
btw what are your views on the dasam granth?

[KaurPrincess]

(Original post by SinghSTAR)
You're right. There are hardly any Punjabi, Kirtan, Vaaja, Tabla teachers around. It's okay around the areas with a large Sikh community (places like Birmingham, Coventry, etc) but outside of those areas, there is no support. It makes me very sad, to be honest. It really hit me while I was doing my Punjabi GCSE. I had no support, and basically taught myself the language. I did have a teacher, but she was clueless. Luckily, I'm good at languages otherwise I'd have done even worse than how I think I have. :O

Thanks to Aunty Bakshinder, who, without her, I would have had no interest in Sikhi or Punjabi.

yay!!you've done punjabi gcse too??
how did you do?

[okapobcfc08]

(Original post by KaurPrincess)
people are not taking sikhi seriously, or are becoming drawn in by other ways of living...they may find sikhi too strict and hard to follow, and a lot of sikhs nowadays dont know enough about their religion to understand whats going on
and the caste system is one of the silliest things that people believe in...and they say they follow sikhi, when sikhi is all about equality...
part of the problem may also be due to the thousands of sikhs killed in 1984 and related happenings, and the drugs problems in punjab right now
i am actually quite proud when i think of all the times sikhs have been persecuted but have still managed to survive...i mean we are the 5th biggest religion, right?
i think we should go one question/topic at a time since it will become too muddles otherwise!
btw what are your views on the dasam granth?

lol yes you are right, so many problems, so little answers. Personally, I never have challenged Sri Dasam Granth, and I get pretty bored with this youtube videos of Ragi Darshan and other tits cussing it down. There is so much compelling evidence that Sri Dasam Granth Sahib is legtimate that I have always believed and always will, that Sri Dasam Granth is not pro-hindu, pro-hindu gods, pro-idol worship, and fully composed by Sahib-e-Kamaal, 10th master great Sahib Sri Guru Gobind Singh Maharaj

[KaurPrincess]

(Original post by okapobcfc08)
lol yes you are right, so many problems, so little answers. Personally, I never have challenged Sri Dasam Granth, and I get pretty bored with this youtube videos of Ragi Darshan and other tits cussing it down. There is so much compelling evidence that Sri Dasam Granth Sahib is legtimate that I have always believed and always will, that Sri Dasam Granth is not pro-hindu, pro-hindu gods, pro-idol worship, and fully composed by Sahib-e-Kamaal, 10th master great Sahib Sri Guru Gobind Singh Maharaj

eek well i disagree...
i feel that since guru gobind sikh ji told us to follow the SGGS, why should we need to believe in another granth?
if guru ji had wanted us to also read his own bani, he would have surely written it in the SGGS when he was adding guru teg bahadur ji's bani...
and then theres also the thing about how different the dasam granth is structurally and also with reagards to its message, to the SGGS
i'm not extremely well informed about this, so correct me if im wrong!
and also what evidence are you talking about?

[RoshniDiya]

Can I just draw people's attention to one thing, so that anyone who comes on this thread can know:

Sikh men and women wear turbans. The religion is based on equality, and does not tell only one sex to cover their heads. Most Sikh women don't wear turbans through their own choice.

[RoshniDiya]

(Original post by okapobcfc08)
Why have we not been able to shake of caste? Why are we so uneducated that we fail to win over the argument when hindus and muslims suggest we are a part of them?

Because we're stupid. We are still influenced by Brahamanical culture, which seeks to be patriarchal and create separations through a pathetic caste system. We would rather be part of a flashy, glamorous culture, regardless of what Sikhi actually says. We follow the culture of those who oppress us... of those who portray Sikhs to be total idiotic drunkards through their Bollywood films, those who named their country "Hindustan" even though Sikhs also live in it, and those who are trying to kill us off and have been for years. Ironic, right.

We were shown an amazing path. Guru Nanak Dev Ji stopped sati; the act of Hindu women having to burn themselves alive after their husbands died. Langar, the Guru's kitchen, is open to everyone of all sexes, races and religions; we all sit on the floor to symbolise our equality. A rich king or a poor beggar, no one is greater than the other. Guru ji gave us the names "Singh" and "Kaur" so that there were no further separations based on a person's last name, which indicates their caste. Guru ji declared that we should not believe in the caste system, and instead, "Recognise the entire human race as one." And look at us now; we have separate Gurdwaras based on caste, because we just can't seem to get along. We wear huge khanda chains and rep our caste, as if it's something to be extremely proud of that our ancestors were farmers or something.

We have so much ego and pride that we want to boast about something as insignificant as our caste. We don't listen to our Guru's teachings, instead we do what we want and call ourselves Sikhs... it's like a slap in the face really.

Those are my views anyway.