Benefits - Only for lazy, stupid people....

You're taking benefits you don't need. Obviously, I would use it for day to day living costs of a child. IE, clothing, after school clubs, etc.

But why should the tax payer fund that? She's claiming benefits she doesn't need. Benefits are there for those who need them.

Very few people can afford luxuries. Quite a few are having to choose between heating and eating. Especially when out of that money, you've got to pay for items that you need that aren't on prescription.

The only people really affected by the £26k cap are those with big families and /or those who live in expensive areas.

If you cant pay for your kid to eat, then tough. You lose your kid.

That is the risk, dont have children unless you can pay for them. It is quite simple really.

Not true. I worked full time when I was doing a distance learning course.
You seem to have many, many, many excuses.

Or make sure you have sufficiant savings.
This system WORKS in MOST countrys in the world.

They will just become another chav parent anyway.

I would remove the NHS. Waste of money.

The average nanny salary is £300-£600npw for a live out, 250-450npw for a live in. I think your thinking about Aupairs, they are unqualified and live for "pocket money" in exchange for 20/25 hours work a week.

Most parents work 10/12 hours a day.

WHAT I DONT AGREE WITH- is people sitting on their backsides their entire life relying on other people to fund their alcohol, nicotine and drug addiction. Generalization? Maybe.

what is portrayed on the TV

The only person who I think should ever be excused from work while claiming benefits is those who are so seriously disabled they cannot work- like alot of others have said on here.

It shows that at least a few must get more than that, which I would say is above 'barely surviving'.

Benefits are supposed to be a safety net for anyone is, for whatever reason, temporarily or permanently out of work. They cannot be expected to give people luxuries, that is not what they are for.

but there is a small number who are happy to exploit the system.

And where exactly does that kid go?



Once again, saying that does not solve the issue does it.
I agree with the statement, but we must also have a system to help those kids who ARE born to parents who cannot afford them.



You didn't have a kid though did you?
You seem unable to see the difference between a reason and an excuse.



Except it DOESN'T.
In the countries that do not have benefits systems such as ours, people suffer and die because they do not have enough money.



Only if you as a society allow them to be.
If you support them, help them to better themselves, etc etc, then they will not become that.

Care to explain?
What if YOU got cancer?
Somehow I doubt you have tens / hundreds of thousands of pounds to pay for the treatment.

Health insurance like in any other country.

And what about those who cannot afford health insurance?

and yes other countriess work fine without child benefits. look at taiwan.

Health insurance like in any other country.

and yes other countriess work fine without child benefits. look at taiwan.

You're still just shifting costs around.

1. Child benefit:
If the children go into care because their parents can't afford to feed them the government has to pay to bring them up, agreed? Why not just give that money to the parents and let the kid have a better childhood, especially if you're saying that children could be taken from parents if they become unemployed for a few months.

2. NHS
Disabled people with either have to pay a mint for health insurance that covers their condition - so you'll have to give them more benefits to be able to pay for their health insurance because these people can't work - or other people will pay extra for their premiums to keep the premiums of disabled people down; in which case you may as well just make it a tax instead of insurance costs and have the NHS.

I've said this before and you've ignored me, you're not solving anything!

Give me a list of other countries with a NHS.

Yeah that's a good argument.
Give me a list of the medical bankruptcies in the UK

So you are saying EVERY other country has it wrong......

No, I'm saying that just because they're somewhat right doesn't mean we aren't right also. Both systems have flaws, its about minimising these!
And, that you're ignoring the actual response I've given to you about you just pushing money about. This thread isn't about the NHS, it's about people on benefits and whether or not you can call them all lazy.

Yes, they are lazy.

A few. Exactly. So again, why should the MAJORITY be punished and demonised just because of a minority?

And that is exactly what it is like for the vast majority of people living on benefits.
Enough to live, but not enough for luxuries.

So even you accept it is a minority. So I ask once again, why the hell should the MAJORITY be punished because of that small minority? Why not just clamp down on that minority?

You live in the largest area of the UK. There are thousands of jobs in London, unfortunately some people cannot afford the lifestyle to move there and live for the sake of a job.

You're still just shifting costs around.

1. Child benefit:
If the children go into care because their parents can't afford to feed them the government has to pay to bring them up, agreed? Why not just give that money to the parents and let the kid have a better childhood, especially if you're saying that children could be taken from parents if they become unemployed for a few months.

So she should have 'self-respect' and stay at home all day unable to do anything productive because she can't get herself around?
People don't just get motability cars if they've sprained their ankle, you have to be in receipt of DLA. And a lot of people (including my mum) have recently had to go for medicals with doctors who don't know them to be reassessed to see if they're still entitled to this.

Also, if she didn't have her car (I'm mostly talking from my mum's experience here rather than ilovehobnobs as I don't know her situation) she'd probably have to have a carer to help her go shopping/do her shopping for her, and who's going to pay for that? Or should she just starve when she can't get herself to the shops?