[Yoghurt]

I'm about 1/4 of the way through A Storm of Swords: Part 1 and I must say I am already enjoying it much more than A Clash of Kings!

[Slumpy]

So, all, I've just finished reading A dance with dragons, and I'm reminded of some questions I had.

1-Was Renly Baratheon gay?
I've seen a fairly convincing case made for him and Loras going at it, but then I'm sure in A Feast of Crows(maybe?) as Cersei's POV, she doesn't believe Margaery is a virgin after having been married to Renly?
2-I also recall Pycelle saying Margaery took the no-kids potion a bit, so she must've been getting off with someone?(He seemed to stick with this even when not talking to Cersei, so I feel this is probably true.)
I vaguely recall it seemed like there was a suggestion of another incestuous thing there, ie her and Loras?

I can't really remember this(read up to ADWD at christmas, and just picked it up and read it now), and don't have any of the books preceding ADwD to check, so if anybody could, that'd be fab!

[dobbys sock]

(Original post by Slumpy)
So, all, I've just finished reading A dance with dragons, and I'm reminded of some questions I had.

1-Was Renly Baratheon gay?
I've seen a fairly convincing case made for him and Loras going at it, but then I'm sure in A Feast of Crows(maybe?) as Cersei's POV, she doesn't believe Margaery is a virgin after having been married to Renly?
2-I also recall Pycelle saying Margaery took the no-kids potion a bit, so she must've been getting off with someone?(He seemed to stick with this even when not talking to Cersei, so I feel this is probably true.)
I vaguely recall it seemed like there was a suggestion of another incestuous thing there, ie her and Loras?

I can't really remember this(read up to ADWD at christmas, and just picked it up and read it now), and don't have any of the books preceding ADwD to check, so if anybody could, that'd be fab!

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I think it was implied in the books that he was but I could be getting the TV show and the books a bit confused. I seem to remember Stannis hinting that he knew in ACOK? I don't think it would have been well publicised anyway, so it's unlikely that Cersei would have known and so as far as she's concerned she believes that Margaery wasn't a virgin.

Margaery taking the moon-tea (?) does make it seem like she is getting off with someone but I hope not because who would really be that stupid?!

[Hopple]

(Original post by Slumpy)
So, all, I've just finished reading A dance with dragons, and I'm reminded of some questions I had.

1-Was Renly Baratheon gay?
I've seen a fairly convincing case made for him and Loras going at it, but then I'm sure in A Feast of Crows(maybe?) as Cersei's POV, she doesn't believe Margaery is a virgin after having been married to Renly?
2-I also recall Pycelle saying Margaery took the no-kids potion a bit, so she must've been getting off with someone?(He seemed to stick with this even when not talking to Cersei, so I feel this is probably true.)
I vaguely recall it seemed like there was a suggestion of another incestuous thing there, ie her and Loras?

I can't really remember this(read up to ADWD at christmas, and just picked it up and read it now), and don't have any of the books preceding ADwD to check, so if anybody could, that'd be fab!

(Original post by dobbys sock)

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I think it was implied in the books that he was but I could be getting the TV show and the books a bit confused. I seem to remember Stannis hinting that he knew in ACOK? I don't think it would have been well publicised anyway, so it's unlikely that Cersei would have known and so as far as she's concerned she believes that Margaery wasn't a virgin.

Margaery taking the moon-tea (?) does make it seem like she is getting off with someone but I hope not because who would really be that stupid?!

Renly gay

It's hinted at in the books, but no way is it stated as explicitly as in the TV show. The TV series seems to want to force sex scenes in to pull in porn hungry audiences, even when they aren't there XD

Cersei doesn't believe Margaery's a virgin because she and Renly should have had sex on their wedding night. Plus she's got her own experience of being one horny teenager (child too? ) so suspects the same of Margaery.

Margaery pregnant

I don't think it's been said who the potential father(s) might be apart from Cersei's suspicions about Loras - again she might be just projecting herself onto Margaery. Loras also had the hots for Renly, so unless he is bisexual as well as incestuous, he's not the one doing Margaery.

However, it probably is true that Margaery's been doing someone, as otherwise she wouldn't need the moon tea and would be taking a huge risk in implying to anyone that she needed it when Tommen clearly isn't old enough. It's possible Margaery was pregnant prior even to Renly, I suppose, and decided to keep the baby because it could be passed off as Renly's and then Joffrey's. I'm not sure how moon tea is supposed to work though, do you just keep taking it so you can safely have sex or do you keep taking it afterwards until the period/foetus/whatever is flushed out?

[Slumpy]

(Original post by dobbys sock)

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I think it was implied in the books that he was but I could be getting the TV show and the books a bit confused. I seem to remember Stannis hinting that he knew in ACOK? I don't think it would have been well publicised anyway, so it's unlikely that Cersei would have known and so as far as she's concerned she believes that Margaery wasn't a virgin.

Margaery taking the moon-tea (?) does make it seem like she is getting off with someone but I hope not because who would really be that stupid?!

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I think Jaime hints at it when talking to Loras(and Tyrion at one point hints Loras is gay)+he seems super close to Renly, but I'm not certain.

(Original post by Hopple)

Renly gay

It's hinted at in the books, but no way is it stated as explicitly as in the TV show. The TV series seems to want to force sex scenes in to pull in porn hungry audiences, even when they aren't there XD

Cersei doesn't believe Margaery's a virgin because she and Renly should have had sex on their wedding night. Plus she's got her own experience of being one horny teenager (child too? ) so suspects the same of Margaery.

Margaery pregnant

I don't think it's been said who the potential father(s) might be apart from Cersei's suspicions about Loras - again she might be just projecting herself onto Margaery. Loras also had the hots for Renly, so unless he is bisexual as well as incestuous, he's not the one doing Margaery.

However, it probably is true that Margaery's been doing someone, as otherwise she wouldn't need the moon tea and would be taking a huge risk in implying to anyone that she needed it when Tommen clearly isn't old enough. It's possible Margaery was pregnant prior even to Renly, I suppose, and decided to keep the baby because it could be passed off as Renly's and then Joffrey's. I'm not sure how moon tea is supposed to work though, do you just keep taking it so you can safely have sex or do you keep taking it afterwards until the period/foetus/whatever is flushed out?

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I thought perhaps she'd have some experience of what Renly was like, given Robert was his brother, and thought he'd perhaps taken after Robert in his womanising ways, which was the tone I got from it?

Fair play, Cersei projecting that bit does seem more likely, but you'd think she'd have noticed someone having an affair with Margaery given how much she seemed to have her followed!
No idea about how the moon tea workings though..

[kopite493]

(Original post by Slumpy)
So, all, I've just finished reading A dance with dragons, and I'm reminded of some questions I had.

1-Was Renly Baratheon gay?
I've seen a fairly convincing case made for him and Loras going at it, but then I'm sure in A Feast of Crows(maybe?) as Cersei's POV, she doesn't believe Margaery is a virgin after having been married to Renly?
2-I also recall Pycelle saying Margaery took the no-kids potion a bit, so she must've been getting off with someone?(He seemed to stick with this even when not talking to Cersei, so I feel this is probably true.)
I vaguely recall it seemed like there was a suggestion of another incestuous thing there, ie her and Loras?

I can't really remember this(read up to ADWD at christmas, and just picked it up and read it now), and don't have any of the books preceding ADwD to check, so if anybody could, that'd be fab!

1. is hinted at in the books yes
2. i cant see her being a virgin im willing to bet my money that ceresei is right and she was a slut mainly cause she seem so Mary sue without it

[Hopple]

(Original post by Slumpy)

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I think Jaime hints at it when talking to Loras(and Tyrion at one point hints Loras is gay)+he seems super close to Renly, but I'm not certain.

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I don't remember it from Tyrion, but Jaime does and Loras doesn't really object. Bear in mind that with GRRM involved in the TV series, he wouldn't let them randomly hijack someone.

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I thought perhaps she'd have some experience of what Renly was like, given Robert was his brother, and thought he'd perhaps taken after Robert in his womanising ways, which was the tone I got from it?

Fair play, Cersei projecting that bit does seem more likely, but you'd think she'd have noticed someone having an affair with Margaery given how much she seemed to have her followed!
No idea about how the moon tea workings though..

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Why would he have taken after Robert? Stannis certainly didn't. And there's probably an argument that the only reason Robert slept around was because Cersei was cold to him (for various reasons including Jaime and also Robert saying the wrong name).

She probably would have noticed if Margaery wasn't careful enough, but I'm still open to the possibility that she's screwing someone at King's Landing and careful enough to avoid detection. That or she's pregnant from prior to arriving and is desperately trying to get rid of the baby. Moon tea definitely means Margaery feels she might be pregnant though, which then means she's no virgin.

[metalthrashin'mad]

(Original post by Yoghurt)
I'm about 1/4 of the way through A Storm of Swords: Part 1 and I must say I am already enjoying it much more than A Clash of Kings!

Really? I just finished the first Dany chapter of ASOS and although I like it I thought ACOK was incredible. Although I suppose I am basically at the beginning, 100+ pages isn't much to GRRM

[Yoghurt]

(Original post by metalthrashin'mad)
Really? I just finished the first Dany chapter of ASOS and although I like it I thought ACOK was incredible. Although I suppose I am basically at the beginning, 100+ pages isn't much to GRRM

I just found the pacing to ACOK a bit off, went from loads happening in one chapter to nothing happening in others. I felt it was saved somewhat by an excellent last 6 or 7 chapters. Whereas so far in ASOS it seems to flow a lot better with very little filler so far.

[Slumpy]

(Original post by Hopple)

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Why would he have taken after Robert? Stannis certainly didn't. And there's probably an argument that the only reason Robert slept around was because Cersei was cold to him (for various reasons including Jaime and also Robert saying the wrong name).

She probably would have noticed if Margaery wasn't careful enough, but I'm still open to the possibility that she's screwing someone at King's Landing and careful enough to avoid detection. That or she's pregnant from prior to arriving and is desperately trying to get rid of the baby. Moon tea definitely means Margaery feels she might be pregnant though, which then means she's no virgin.

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I wasn't meaning that he took after him because he was his brother, rather that she'd have met him because he was Robert's brother, and thus have an idea what Renly was like(ie an idea if he was gay or not). Might be wrong though.

[LiberiFatali]

(Original post by Slumpy)
2-I also recall Pycelle saying Margaery took the no-kids potion a bit, so she must've been getting off with someone?(He seemed to stick with this even when not talking to Cersei, so I feel this is probably true.)
I vaguely recall it seemed like there was a suggestion of another incestuous thing there, ie her and Loras?

I can't really remember this(read up to ADWD at christmas, and just picked it up and read it now), and don't have any of the books preceding ADwD to check, so if anybody could, that'd be fab!

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I assumed part of that might have been Cercei attempting to make Margaery look bad. Pycelle was always one of her cronies

Also, I accidentally pressed the neg-rep button when trying for "Quote". My apologies, I'll +rep a different post of yours to balance it out.

[Slumpy]

(Original post by LiberiFatali)

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I assumed part of that might have been Cercei attempting to make Margaery look bad. Pycelle was always one of her cronies

Also, I accidentally pressed the neg-rep button when trying for "Quote". My apologies, I'll +rep a different post of yours to balance it out.

I did wonder what was so objectionable about that post

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Perhaps. But I did take him at his word that she was taking the drink!

[Gofre]

Random question guys- do you reckon the Stark sigil used in the show's promotional stuff would be copyrighted? I'm getting some new headphones where you can have a design of your choice engraved on the side and it dawned on me how awesome it would be to have the below artwork on them, but the site can only do it with uncopyrighted images. What do you guys reckon?

[LiberiFatali]

(Original post by Gofre)
Random question guys- do you reckon the Stark sigil used in the show's promotional stuff would be copyrighted? I'm getting some new headphones where you can have a design of your choice engraved on the side and it dawned on me how awesome it would be to have the below artwork on them, but the site can only do it with uncopyrighted images. What do you guys reckon?

I think it has been tbh, House sigils are popular on the merchandise that's popping up.

Still it's still fairly new and probably not widely recognised. Might be worth a shot, because the design is awesome.

[HeavyTeddy]

I loved the first book but I've really slowed down at the third book and I've become so bored of A Storm of Swords. I find Jon and the onion dude's storyline so boring. Love Arya, Tyrion and Daenerys storyline. Does the story get any better guys because I feel like just giving up.

[chronic_fatigue]

(Original post by HeavyTeddy)
I loved the first book but I've really slowed down at the third book and I've become so bored of A Storm of Swords. I find Jon and the onion dude's storyline so boring. Love Arya, Tyrion and Daenerys storyline. Does the story get any better guys because I feel like just giving up.

Storm is...eventful, keep reading! I won't spoil it for you.

[Deshi]

(Original post by HeavyTeddy)
I loved the first book but I've really slowed down at the third book and I've become so bored of A Storm of Swords. I find Jon and the onion dude's storyline so boring. Love Arya, Tyrion and Daenerys storyline. Does the story get any better guys because I feel like just giving up.

Storm of Swords is the best book in the series, definitely keep reading and you'll be shocked. Seriously.

[coconut2456]

For people who have read the books and seen the second season: how closely did the second season follow the books?

[Ape Gone Insane]

(Original post by coconut2456)
For people who have read the books and seen the second season: how closely did the second season follow the books?

It diverges here and there, which is a stark contrast to the utterly faithful first season, and it picks up plot elements from the third book. But overall, it's pretty faithful.

[Gofre]

(Original post by coconut2456)
For people who have read the books and seen the second season: how closely did the second season follow the books?

It deviates a lot more than the first series which is practically word-for-word, from what I've heard in the form of spoilers there's a ridiculously huge change in continuity tonight. If you're thinking of going straight from season 2 into book 3, I wouldn't, I'd read book 2 first.