difference MEng or BEng??

The MEng is an undergraduate degree, although it is a combined masters, so you will have a masters, however you'll still only have the one undergraduate degree. This will still allow for professional chartership in the UK and is still kept to a high regard, however in some countries it's a requisite to have two degrees, an undergrad and a postgrad.

Although when it boils down to it, you'll still have a masters in Engineering either way, so there's no big difference really.

What I dont get is: since the Meng is a 4 year program and the Beng a 3 year program, do you receive a Beng as part of your Meng? Lets say you succeed in your 3 first years and (for whatever reasons) you fail the 4th....Are you still considered as having a Bachelor?
Also, are you saying that a master is still an undergraduate degree? I thought the Bachelor was undergrad and the master a postgrad... Where do doctorates locate then?

Almost always doing a BEng + MSc/MPhil is better than a single MEng. It costs a bit more, and takes a few more months, but it's worth it as you will have an undergraduate and postgraduate degree.

No it's not. With the MEng (assuming it is accredited, which they nearly always are) you have all of the academic requirements for chartership, thus, you'll never have to go back to university, and you'll have no problems with qualifications when it comes to chartership application. Many MSc degrees are not accredited by the main institutions (IMechE, ICE, etc.), which will cause problems regarding meeting the academic requirements.

An MSc is also very specialised, too, diminishing its worth to employers outside of that field. And even in many fields, experience is much valued over an MSc. The MEng is definitely the best option in every single case I can think of.

how is the MEng from the UK regarded on the international scene? Is it treated as equivalent to a Bachelor or is it really recognized as a master?

I am transferring from a US college to the 2nd year in a UK university in marine biology. However I am hesitating whether I should pursue a MEng (total of 3years in my case) or BEng (total of two years) and then continue one year master seperately.

It seems to me that only the UK offers MEng in 4years in one complete shot (which would take 3 years in my case since I am starting in the 2nd year). Usually you start with your bachelors and then continue one or two years for a specialized masters.

What is the difference?

Don't know about IMechE or ICE, but in EE/CS almost all MScs are accredited by main institutions and they are widely considered superior to undergraduate MEngs. and No, not all of them are specialized.

Experience? How different a MEng is to a MSc in terms of experience?

Don't know about IMechE or ICE, but in EE/CS almost all MScs are accredited by main institutions and they are widely considered superior to undergraduate MEngs.

info ?? or Tell me an example where Msc is superior to Meng.

Majority of Imperial and Cambridge EE/CS grads have Meng and they are considered one of the best specialists in the UK, just saying.

Depends on the industry. In mine, an MSc is not considered better than an MEng; both are considered the same, i.e. a masers level qualification.

The vast majority are, though - that's the point in them.

I didn't say that they were different in terms of experience (although my MEng does include a semester's worth of industry experience). What I was saying is that experience is worth a lot more than an MSc degree. This doesn't necessarily apply to integrated masters degrees i.e. MEng degrees because it is all one degree; but after finishing a BEng, if the candidate has a choice between getting some experience or an MSc degree, then the experience is the far better option.

Tell me where it's not. I'm not saying MEng is bad or anything, however, a postgraduate Masters is superior to an undergraduate one.

Yes, Cambridge and Imperial offer four year undergraduate courses leading to MEng. And at the same time, they also offer three-year ones and one-year posgraduate masters. So what was your point?

You got me wrong. I'm not questioning MEng degrees, just saying a three-year undergraduate followed by a one-year postgraduate is better than a continuous four-year one undergraduate.




It's not just how they would value your degree. When doing BEng + MSc, You do two final projects, two dissertations, two individual project supervisors (who can write you complete references), two personal tutors, two group projects, and by the time you graduate you'll have a much more complete CV. Any doubt in that?

Yes the experience bit is absolutely true, but off-topic.

It's not just how they would value your degree. When doing BEng + MSc, You do two final projects, two dissertations, two individual project supervisors (who can write you complete references), two personal tutors, two group projects, and by the time you graduate you'll have a much more complete CV. Any doubt in that?

It is much harder to get into the Meng course than Beng one.

I don't see how one essentially identical qualification be superior to other.

Cambridge only offers Meng programs for their engineering undergrads.

Imperial as well only has Meng option for their Civil, Aero, Mech and Chem. engineering.

Msc is taken by people:

1. Who is not sure about their specialization and will have 3 years to wisely choose their path

2. People who don't meet the entry requirements for Meng program

3. People who graduate with a Beng degree and then decide to do masters later on


There is no difference between the two except for Msc being the more expensive road.

I reject the notion that two of the above is better than one, and also that it is exclusive to the BEng + MSc route: there are some MEng degrees that have two dissertations, thus two supervisors, etc. Academics only make up a small portion of your CV, and I'm afraid I haven't seen any evidence that having two dissertations/theses/group projects/supervisors makes any difference whatsoever to employers. Likewise, I haven't seen any evidence whatsoever that an MSc is better valued than an MEng - in fact what I've heard is the opposite because the MSc route has the stigma of being more popular amongst those who weren't good enough to get into the MEng.

Out of curiosity, are you two guys doing MEng? Guess what I did?



MEng needing higher entry requirement than BEng? That is so not true, at least in Manchester where I studied. Everybody could easily switch between the two as well. I haven't seen any BEng student who's actually doing BEng because they failed to get an MEng offer.




Maybe doing one dissertation, having one referee, etc is better than two.

Anyway, while doing MEng you do three years of "honours-level courses" and one year of "master-level". You have 60 credits of "master-level" modules + 60 credits of individual project, that completes 120 "Masters" credits. That's the case for most of the MEng degrees in the UK.

When you do MSc, you have 120 credits of Master-level modules + 60 credits of individual projects, so overall of 180 credits. You might not know, but all of MSc modules require coursework (even if the lectures are shared between MEng and MSc students, the assessment is different). Apart from all the value/employability stuff, you can learn a lot more.



By the time you graduate, your CV is all about academics (unless you've done internships/placements/etc which you can do during your in either cases). and including the project coursework, extra projects/dissertations/group projects/etc in your CV would not be one or two extra line. It will be much more.

I absolutely agree that after 5 years it doesn't matter at all. but when you graduate, it matters. Anyway if what I say doesn't make sense, ignore it.

That's all fairly academic and doesn't make any difference in the real world.

I completely disagree with this, this certainly contradicts my experience and the experiences of all of the graduate or recent graduate engineers I work with. The succesful CVs I've seen have all been predominently based on experience, that is, internships/placements, ECs and part time work - the later two being worded in a way as to be made to sound as relevant as possible. Academics only made up a few lines at most. This is because university engineering is different to real world engineering. You get people with all sorts of postgraduate qualifications like MScs and PhDs who can't do **** in the real world, and many of the best engineers don't even have a degree.

University of Loughborough
Beng AAB , Meng A*AA

University of Southampton
Beng AAB , Meng AAA-A*AA

University of Manchester
Beng ABB , Meng AAB-AAA

University of Sheffield
Beng ABB, Meng AAB-AAA

UCL
Beng AAB, Meng A*AA

You can easily switch between the two only if you meet the requirements set by each university. For instance at University of Southampton in order to transfer to a Meng course you have to achieve a high 2.1 overall for the three year Beng period.

OP already got his answer, further discussion is pointless.

By your logic:
Nothing makes a real difference, not doing two project, not doing more master-level modules, not having two referees that supervised you, not a thicker CV and project history. These are all academics and no difference in real world.

I wonder why did you even come to university? Why did you wanna do MEng (and not only a BEng, in that extra year you could have done A LOT of work)?



I hadn't seen those entry requirements, thanks.

Anyway you might have a point, but I've seen anyone with a 60+ in the first/second year could easily transfer to MEng.

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ANYWAY I agree that further discussion is pointless, whoever is reading this in the future can see reasons, and decide for themselves.

By your logic:
Nothing makes a real difference, not doing two project, not doing more master-level modules, not having two referees that supervised you, not a thicker CV and project history. These are all academics and no difference in real world.