Sounds like you should be a Conservative, considering what you wrote just there!
(Original post by obi_adorno_kenobi)
Sponges in society? Really. Confidence evapourated in villages like the one I grew up in. A century ago, the South Wales Valleys were one of the most confident places in the world - we built hospitals, great institutes and libraries, cinemas, universities, and so forth, all from the power of work. No state involvement
just mutualism and a collective purpose. Now look at them - ridden with poverty, poor health, failing hospitals and schools. Thatcher drained the last vestiges of confidence from a society that was once so very proud.
This comes from an interview on ITN with one woman in the Rhondda in November 1984:
"If you were to go along the road and say to those young boys, what would you rather do, would you rather go and sign the dole or would you rather go to work at the colliery? They'll answer you: I'd rather go to work at the colliery. I know of boys who have walked up to that colliery to put their names down, begging to be taken on"
Begging to be taken on. Sponges in society eh.
And this is a completely different topic. One on which I agree completely with you. She did destroy these communities. However, at the same time, it has allowed parts of Wales to move forward. Other parts have been destroyed completely though, which is not a good thing. My point was not about this though - the person you have quoted is obviously not a sponge - actively seeking work. I'm on about people like my uncles, unemployed, with absolutely no reason to be, and can't be bothered looking for another job after they were made redunant.
And my actual point was other countries having confidence in Britain, which in turn made the pound stronger, and made us more of an international force. I never tried to claim that internally Britain was a confient, booming nation.
Last edited by bun; 09-03-2012 at 16:15.