[Focus08]

(Original post by jdude116)
Time to drop out of UCL and start over again, guess i'll never make it as a banker now

Are you sure you read all the unis included in the list

[Txi]

Also this is kinda bogus isn't it ?

I mean it should be AAB percapita not raw o/w you will a 2nd rate place like Manchester on top ?! Since they got like 100k students.

And somewhere like Imperial in 11 ??

Balls

[James1977]

How about a table to show which universities have the highest amount of 'top grade' students who drop out or fail their degrees?

[fnm]

So this isn't a new organisation but just top results from a table on entry standards? Unless I'm completely missing something lol.

[fexysucker]

(Original post by Craig_D)
Does a university deserve status based on the ability of its students when they arrived? Or should it be derived from how much the university and its facilities improved its students?

As if somebody negged you for posting the most sensible comment in the thread.

[Tha_Black_Shinobi]

There are some flaws in the list tbh and I'm not saying that just because my university isn't in there. Some of the unis are there because they are relatively small compared to other Russell Group universities. For example Exter and Durham are only in the list because they focus mainly on arts/humananities which tend to have the highest entry requirements and aren't any better than larger unis like Manchester, Nottingham and Birmingham which do courses such as Nursing and Midwifery which tends to have lower entry requirements

[Craig_D]

(Original post by fexysucker)
As if somebody negged you for posting the most sensible comment in the thread.

Thank you I wouldn't go that far, but I was beginning to wonder whether I had worded it badly or said something stupid

[AfghanistanBananistan]

Then again, there is a far higher ACTUAL number of people with AAB+ at places like Nottingham, Manchester and Birmingham then the likes of Durham and Exeter.

Further, the Sunday Times mentions the 9 unis having 60% of students with AAB+. Where is the cut off point and why 9 universities. Nottingham has 57% (61% average when including EU students) for example.

Large unis are hindered by the number of courses they offer, as people have mentioned, and esp large courses like Nursing and education with offers of BBC-BBB.

[Ultimate1]

ffs lets not develop this 'Ivy league' for UK unis too. It makes all the other good unis look like s**** when they clearly are not.

[arob752]

(Original post by AfghanistanBananistan)
Then again, there is a far higher ACTUAL number of people with AAB+ at places like Nottingham, Manchester and Birmingham then the likes of Durham and Exeter.

Further, the Sunday Times mentions the 9 unis having 60% of students with AAB+. Where is the cut off point and why 9 universities. Nottingham has 57% (61% average when including EU students) for example.

Large unis are hindered by the number of courses they offer, as people have mentioned, and esp large courses like Nursing and education with offers of BBC-BBB.

Why should the size of the university matter, just because they are bigger doesnt mean that they are better. It should obviously be the percentage achieving these grades.

[Toon Fan]

(Original post by Aeschylus)
To be serious for one second, surely a university's reputation should be measured on the quality of the students they turn out, rather than the quality of them before they enter?

Completely agree with u there, that point has made this thread useless

[LutherVan]

This is really a knee-jerk analysis by a poor journalist. There is no UK Ivy really.

There are more AAB+ students that go to Manchester, Nottingham and Leeds than most of the universities in that list.

In the UK, there is:

- Top 2
- Top 4
- And top reputable universities of about 15 or so

There is no Ivy kind of league. UK should have its own prestige structure and this poor journalist should not be trying to copy some American style.

[Txi]

(Original post by AfghanistanBananistan)
Then again, there is a far higher ACTUAL number of people with AAB+ at places like Nottingham, Manchester and Birmingham then the likes of Durham and Exeter.

Further, the Sunday Times mentions the 9 unis having 60% of students with AAB+. Where is the cut off point and why 9 universities. Nottingham has 57% (61% average when including EU students) for example.

Large unis are hindered by the number of courses they offer, as people have mentioned, and esp large courses like Nursing and education with offers of BBC-BBB.

Which is why it is a bogus measure.

both sets of data should not be considered.

There are the fashion and demographic factors at work.

The trendy will always go where they think the new trend is, that's how Durham, exeter and Warwick got a sudden surge around 2000.

Also nowadays, more people tend to commute. large cities lie Manc and Leeds will have a bigger catchment area, thus more people with higher grades.

[Stefanb]

(Original post by davidmarsh01)
Well if you excluded them of course they wouldn't get in

But I know what you mean, but St Andrews and Edinburgh consistently rank around the universities on that list.



Edinburgh and St Andrews at least.

Edinburgh, St Andrews and Glasgow...

[TheRabbit]

Just to continue the list of Scottish universities

Edinburgh, St Andrews, Glasgow and Aberdeen....
Plus other universities well respected in different subject fields e.g Medicine at Dundee

[Ineedaplace]

so what are the top 4 universities...

[LutherVan]

(Original post by Ineedaplace)
so what are the top 4 universities...

Cambridge, Oxford, LSE and Imperial.

[Ineedaplace]

But LSE doesn't even do some subjects.... Warwick is really good for some topics etc etc. Could make a billion debates. The best is so subjective.....

[Aeschylus]

(Original post by Ineedaplace)
so what are the top 4 universities...

for what subject? Undergrad or postgrad? For student life, living experiences, teaching quality, research quality, student satisfaction, graduation prospects?

Try narrowing it down a bit.

[LutherVan]

(Original post by Ineedaplace)
But LSE doesn't even do some subjects.... Warwick is really good for some topics etc etc. Could make a billion debates. The best is so subjective.....

Those are the only 4 that have the "Wow"-factor, they are the toughest to get into generally, have the best global brands and the least likely to have their offers turned down when a student is choosing between 2 unis.

It is more likely a student will elect to go to LSE than Warwick if he or she had offers from both.

Below those 4, the choice can be tight sometimes between the next set of top unis not in the 4.