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    Sweden has adapted for the immigrants,
    not the other way around.

    Also, rape has also gone up.

    Finally, Nationalism amongst Swedes has risen as shown in opinion polls and the election of the Swedish Democrats ?


    My point is, Can Swedes get along with africans, chinese and muslims altogether peacefully or is it just going to make them hate each other ?

    Surely Sweden was better when it was majority white, and majority Swede/Scandinavian/Northern European.
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    I have family in Sweden and they say it is pretty cool.

    Plus they have Arash
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    Swedes could have gotten along with africans, moslems and the rest. However, (largely thanks to the socialists), the country has adapted to the immigrants, not the other way around. There are more immigrants than swedes living on benefits, while the immigrants only constitute rougly 10% of the population of the country.
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    what is arash ? ar you a muslim ?
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    (Original post by Ferdowsi)
    I have family in Sweden and they say it is pretty cool.

    Plus they have Arash
    Oh god, you're not talking about that fag that represented Azerbaijan in Eurovision a few years back?


    I hate his music :puke:
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    (Original post by sango)
    Oh god, you're not talking about that fag that represented Azerbaijan in Eurovision a few years back?


    I hate his music :puke:
    Dunno about that but he sings in Persian bbz.
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    (Original post by calkin700)
    Sweden has adapted for the immigrants,
    not the other way around.

    Also, rape has also gone up.

    Finally, Nationalism amongst Swedes has risen as shown in opinion polls and the election of the Swedish Democrats ?


    My point is, Can Swedes get along with africans, chinese and muslims altogether peacefully or is it just going to make them hate each other ?

    Surely Sweden was better when it was majority white, and majority Swede/Scandinavian/Northern European.
    Rape isn't the fault of multiculturalism. It is the fault of rapists.

    Nationalism in Sverige is minimal compared to in other EU member states.

    Sverige is still composed of a majority Svenska population.

    I have some colleagues who went to Sverige last week - they haven't noticed these phenomena at all. I will go there towards the end of summer.
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    (Original post by Ferdowsi)
    Dunno about that but he sings in Persian bbz.


    You mean him? Yeah I hate him.
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    (Original post by calkin700)
    Sweden has adapted for the immigrants,
    not the other way around.

    Also, rape has also gone up.

    Finally, Nationalism amongst Swedes has risen as shown in opinion polls and the election of the Swedish Democrats ?


    My point is, Can Swedes get along with africans, chinese and muslims altogether peacefully or is it just going to make them hate each other ?

    Surely Sweden was better when it was majority white, and majority Swede/Scandinavian/Northern European.
    I thought they had the strictest rape laws in the world - you can be charged for merely telling the truth about a rich country. No wonder it's gone up, and I doubt that's to do with multiculturism.
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    (Original post by sango)


    You mean him? Yeah I hate him.
    come at me bro.
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    Its not looking good to be honest from what I'm hearing. Its not all the immigrants obviously but a few ********s are making life harder for everyone.
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    will it fail in the future for Sweden ?

    Sweden was much better when it was all white, Swedish, and one culture.
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    (Original post by calkin700)
    will it fail in the future for Sweden ?

    Sweden was much better when it was all white, Swedish, and one culture.
    It won't fail. The Swedish government and transportation/logistical corporations want to move business to the Copenhagen-Malmo-Oresund area. In a more globalized world, the workforce in the Scania region will be more international in nature, as is the case with Stockholm already.
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    People whining about multiculturalism are most often people from the countryside who doesn't experience it anyway. The large suburbs in the cities have their problems, but that has no direct connection to multiculturalism or immigration or ethnicity or religion. Poplulists will make presumptuous connections and gain temporary support, but in the long run they will fail simply enough because they are wrong.
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    (Original post by gottemaja)
    People whining about multiculturalism are most often people from the countryside who doesn't experience it anyway. The large suburbs in the cities have their problems, but that has no direct connection to multiculturalism or immigration or ethnicity or religion. Poplulists will make presumptuous connections and gain temporary support, but in the long run they will fail simply enough because they are wrong.
    One thing I've noticed as well is that when someone who isn't foreign does something bad only their action is criticised. If someone who is foreign does something similar it is because they are foreign. In the UK we had two shooting sprees last year, Derrick Bird and Raoul Moat, the former killed 12 people and you can bet your home that if they were immigrants it'd be used to condemn immigrants and disallow people from that country into the UK.
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    (Original post by CombineHarvester)
    One thing I've noticed as well is that when someone who isn't foreign does something bad only their action is criticised. If someone who is foreign does something similar it is because they are foreign. In the UK we had two shooting sprees last year, Derrick Bird and Raoul Moat, the former killed 12 people and you can bet your home that if they were immigrants it'd be used to condemn immigrants and disallow people from that country into the UK.
    Considering what has happened in Oslo this is very much on the agenda and is shining through even amongst the more moderate right wingers. Several Swede Democrats have made terrible mistakes this evening. Seen two people with seats in the swedish parliament exclaim, one directly, and one indirectly that this has to be connected with Islam. Nationalism seems to be a bigger threat towards sweden than multiculturalism, and to be honest, no one considers swedish nationalism to be a threat today.
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    (Original post by gottemaja)
    Considering what has happened in Oslo this is very much on the agenda and is shining through even amongst the more moderate right wingers. Several Swede Democrats have made terrible mistakes this evening. Seen two people with seats in the swedish parliament exclaim, one directly, and one indirectly that this has to be connected with Islam. Nationalism seems to be a bigger threat towards sweden than multiculturalism, and to be honest, no one considers swedish nationalism to be a threat today.
    Exactly. In Britain nationalists claim the country is on the verge of becoming a fascist sharia state when in reality the BNP (racist right wing party) got 1 million votes and the sharia party got zero. The ironic thing is that the BNP got the votes because people were scaremongering about multiculturalism and sharia.
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    (Original post by CombineHarvester)
    Exactly. In Britain nationalists claim the country is on the verge of becoming a fascist sharia state when in reality the BNP (racist right wing party) got 1 million votes and the sharia party got zero. The ironic thing is that the BNP got the votes because people were scaremongering about multiculturalism and sharia.
    Sadly, it seems the general British population will just keep falling for the scaremongering caused by right-wing nationalists and red-top newspapers that target the minority. Everyone seems to be panicking about religion - "Oh my! Islam will take over the world! This is supposedly a bad thing!" - when, in reality, figures prove otherwise. 33% of the world is Christian, only 19% is Islam. Christianity still gets 3 million more adherents per year than Islam, with 1 million more births. If it's not about Race and Religion, it's about a "Homosexual Agenda"; if it's not about a "Homosexual Agenda", it's blamed on Feminism, or an Alternate Lifestyle such as Vegetarianism, or opposing political views such as Socialism, perhaps even things such as weight or drug-taking or Youth.

    These right-wing extremists fight for a world where we will all compete in some large game of "Death Monopoly", each person fighting against one another and seeking to make the others bankrupt so that they may starve to death. Heck, I condemn red-tops, but in the Sunday Daily Mail there is a news story claiming the Conservative Government are planning to refuse treatment to people defined as "obese" or "smokers" - not only condoning, but promoting discrimination, claiming these people must die for their lifestyle choices! We can only wonder how much worse it must get before people begin to open their eyes and act.
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    (Original post by Etular)
    Sadly, it seems the general British population will just keep falling for the scaremongering caused by right-wing nationalists and red-top newspapers that target the minority. Everyone seems to be panicking about religion - "Oh my! Islam will take over the world! This is supposedly a bad thing!" - when, in reality, figures prove otherwise. 33% of the world is Christian, only 19% is Islam. Christianity still gets 3 million more adherents per year than Islam, with 1 million more births. If it's not about Race and Religion, it's about a "Homosexual Agenda"; if it's not about a "Homosexual Agenda", it's blamed on Feminism, or an Alternate Lifestyle such as Vegetarianism, or opposing political views such as Socialism, perhaps even things such as weight or drug-taking or Youth.

    These right-wing extremists fight for a world where we will all compete in some large game of "Death Monopoly", each person fighting against one another and seeking to make the others bankrupt so that they may starve to death. Heck, I condemn red-tops, but in the Sunday Daily Mail there is a news story claiming the Conservative Government are planning to refuse treatment to people defined as "obese" or "smokers" - not only condoning, but promoting discrimination, claiming these people must die for their lifestyle choices! We can only wonder how much worse it must get before people begin to open their eyes and act.
    The annoying thing is though that right wing bigots tend to shout more loudly than tolerant people who are dismissed as lefty-liberal, self-hating Marxists. They therefore get a disproportionately larger voice than everyone else.
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    (Original post by the_homework)
    Swedes could have gotten along with africans, moslems and the rest. However, (largely thanks to the socialists), the country has adapted to the immigrants, not the other way around. There are more immigrants than swedes living on benefits, while the immigrants only constitute rougly 10% of the population of the country.
    Well this isn't a surprise. Sweden was/is very open to people from war-torn countries like Iraq and Afghanistan. It will take time for these people to adapt to secular Swedish society but given time they will do, and their childern and their grandchildren will adapt until there really is no real difference. I have family in Sweden who are middle class Iranian immigrants and they live in a wealthy neighbourhood of Stockholm who haven't said a negative word about living in Sweden. I think the thread is overly dramatic.

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