[adam_zed]

(Original post by gottemaja)
People whining about multiculturalism are most often people from the countryside who doesn't experience it anyway. The large suburbs in the cities have their problems, but that has no direct connection to multiculturalism or immigration or ethnicity or religion. Poplulists will make presumptuous connections and gain temporary support, but in the long run they will fail simply enough because they are wrong.

people all over moan about it here, it has become a popular past time for many with little religious or cultural knowledge outside their own town to talk about the "clash of incompatible cultures" as if these are their own new and original ideas and that they arent spouting rhetoric. the most unlikely of people will suddenly become champions of tolerance for homosexuals and womens rights when islam is mentioned, but obviously this same enthusiasm wont be applied when you mention the UK's shocking domestic abuse rates. I think some of those who spearhead such movements genuinely think that they are helping the world as they try to look to be heroes against a repressive system in a free, tolerant and fair country. the threat of sharia law is exaggerated ten fold in order to present it as some sort of impending and inevitable doom that they can lead the charge against and therefore satisfy their own appetites for glory and egotism.

just my two cents anyway.

[Jackthevillain]

Yes it has failed I heard loads of Swedes are moving out of Malmo now because of the non European immigrants.

[ShadowConspiracy]

(Original post by effofex)
Rape isn't the fault of multiculturalism. It is the fault of rapists.

Which are usually migrants, Explain why then it seems to be a rise in rape committed by migrants?

Is it because they see better looking girls then back from their own countries? Or the fact they seem to think they are still living in a warzone/desert/jungle?

[Etular]

(Original post by ShadowConspiracy)
Which are usually migrants, Explain why then it seems to be a rise in rape committed by migrants?

Is it because they see better looking girls then back from their own countries? Or the fact they seem to think they are still living in a warzone/desert/jungle?

Two things worthy of mention - (1) There are absolutely no statistics as of yet that depict ethnic rape being any higher than Caucasian rape, infact statistics show that in 1993-1999 Rape of Pakistani/Bangladeshi Asians was significantly high, whilst in 2002/3 (the most recent) Mixed Race were the victims of the most rape crime, with the non-Chinese Asians being raped in a racially motivated crime was highest. (2) Incase you didn't realise, they do have a culture where women are given a seemingly lesser position than men - if you want to try to beat that out of them, be my guest, but I'm sure countless people will step in and racial tensions will increase dramatically to the point where there will be Civil War, if only in the hope that they can protect themselves from people that try to beat their culture out of them. The alternative, ofcourse, is letting society subtly turn them into something more socially acceptable without them necessarily having to give up their culture. A compromise of sorts. Ofcourse, that can't occur whilst a few bigoted extremists run around shouting "Get out of my country!" NIMBYism.

[effofex]

(Original post by ShadowConspiracy)
Which are usually migrants, Explain why then it seems to be a rise in rape committed by migrants?

Is it because they see better looking girls then back from their own countries? Or the fact they seem to think they are still living in a warzone/desert/jungle?

Because the percentage of migrants in Sweden who are rapists is higher than the percentage of Swedish-born people who are rapists.

Rape is usually about control rather than sexual attraction - if it was the latter, I am sure they could simply visit whores and rape would be non-existent.

[ShadowConspiracy]

(Original post by effofex)
Because the percentage of migrants in Sweden who are rapists is higher than the percentage of Swedish-born people who are rapists.

Which says something about migration, Open doors, Increase in rape from migrants, Oh wait I forgot you don't see it this way you see it as it's the attackers fault.

(Original post by effofex)
Rape is usually about control rather than sexual attraction - if it was the latter, I am sure they could simply visit whores and rape would be non-existent.

Or the fact they still think they are living in the jungle/desert/warzone with no actual proper law in place and where rape is most likely very open.

[effofex]

(Original post by ShadowConspiracy)
Which says something about migration, Open doors, Increase in rape from migrants, Oh wait I forgot you don't see it this way you see it as it's the attackers fault.


Or the fact they still think they are living in the jungle/desert/warzone with no actual proper law in place and where rape is most likely very open.

No - it does not imply that 'migration' is responsible for the increase in rape. The responsibility quite clearly lies with the rapist. Unless the majority of foreigners are convicted or rape then the 'migration' element is irrelevant.

Somehow I don't think that an excuse of thinking they are living in the jungle/desert/warzone is likely to reduce the probability of a rape conviction. In many societies in which these people are born, the punishment for committing rape is alot more brutal than it is in Nordic countries.

[ShadowConspiracy]

(Original post by effofex)
No - it does not imply that 'migration' is responsible for the increase in rape. The responsibility quite clearly lies with the rapist.

>Implying migrants don't commit rape when the statistics are there?

(Original post by effofex)
Somehow I don't think that an excuse of thinking they are living in the jungle/desert/warzone is likely to reduce the probability of a rape conviction. In many societies in which these people are born, the punishment for committing rape is alot more brutal than it is in Nordic countries.

So they see it as a chance to commit it abroad? Yes good logic, Do you justify rape cases? Do you believe that what the rapist done was good in your eyes?

[effofex]

(Original post by ShadowConspiracy)


>Implying migrants don't commit rape when the statistics are there?



So they see it as a chance to commit it abroad? Yes good logic, Do you justify rape cases? Do you believe that what the rapist done was good in your eyes?

I have never implied that some migrants do not commit rape.

A minority of immigrant males do commit rape. The majority of immigrant males do not.

I have just stated that the responsibility for the rape lies with the rapist, and is not determined by the immigration status of that individual.

You are sorely mistaken if you think I justify rape. Furthermore, the motivation for migration from one nation to another is usually economic - it is highly unlikely to be because someone wanted to commit rape and get a more lenient sentence than they would have done in their country of birth.

[Pacman78_6]

(Original post by calkin700)
Sweden has adapted for the immigrants,
not the other way around.

Also, rape has also gone up.

Finally, Nationalism amongst Swedes has risen as shown in opinion polls and the election of the Swedish Democrats ?


My point is, Can Swedes get along with africans, chinese and muslims altogether peacefully or is it just going to make them hate each other ?

Surely Sweden was better when it was majority white, and majority Swede/Scandinavian/Northern European.

You do know that "Muslims" isn't what you would people from a country called, lets say, Muslim. It is attributed to anybody who adheres to Islam, a religion.
How you put the word Muslims alongside Swedes, Africans and Chinese is beyond me.

[gottemaja]

(Original post by ShadowConspiracy)

So they see it as a chance to commit it abroad?

Abroad? I think you'll find that most immigrants are considered as swedes as well. It is as much their homeland as it is mine. Interesting enough, one person who seems to have taken liberties that were unlawful, and that has done it "abroad" is the worlds new white knight Julian Assange. Litt

People from Finland are overrepresented in all crime statistics as well as immigrants from the mideast. You hear no one complaining about them though.

One reason rapes seems to be a big issue is because our laws are less chauvinistic than the rest of the worlds, women are acctually close to being equal in Scandinavia in general, and the rest of the world is also improving. It does not follow that from our convictions being more humane, our laws are less tangible and more easily circumvented. It is rather the opposite.

All in all though, arguing with rape statistics is just a pretext for personal dislike. No one can seriously believe that there is a real difference in how caucasians and other people behave by nature.

And Jackthevillain, I know people that has moved back and forh from Malmo, and other people movin to, and people moving from. And no case has nothing to do with the immigrants. And you can't evade immigrants by moving to another city in Sweden, you'll have to move out to the countryside, which in british comparison is like in the middle of a forest far far away from civilisation. If people acctually do move away from immigrants in Malmo it is with them that the problem lies and not with the immigrants.

[ShadowConspiracy]

(Original post by gottemaja)
Abroad? I think you'll find that most immigrants are considered as swedes as well. It is as much their homeland as it is mine. Interesting enough, one person who seems to have taken liberties that were unlawful, and that has done it "abroad" is the worlds new white knight Julian Assange. Litt

Unlawful? Assange had his rape warrant cancelled, So don't bother clutching lose straw ends.

So you believe that a migrant fresh off the boat can claim Sweden is his homeland?

(Original post by gottemaja)
women are acctually close to being equal in Scandinavia in general,

So in your eyes this justifies rape? Good logic.

(Original post by gottemaja)
All in all though, arguing with rape statistics is just a pretext for personal dislike. No one can seriously believe that there is a real difference in how caucasians and other people behave by nature.

Yes, You could look at the statistics between different races then compare.

[gottemaja]

Assange is still wanted for questioning. And that is not because he acted splendidly and in perfect accordance with the law. But it is also incredibly off topic, so please excuse me for taking it up at all. Apparantly a small side track was too much for your mind to handle.

No I believe that a person who is a citizen of Sweden can claim Sweden as his or her homeland.

Your methods of deriving conclusions, for me, out of my statements, is to say, the least, peculiar. I would rather recommend that you read everything in its context and then comment on it. But I'll try to explain so that even you can understand:
No, **** you, wherever the **** have I even slightly implied anything that would make someone able to read sentences more than five words long to believe anything like that? What I meant is, which I also believe that I clearly expressed is that it is much easier to get convicted of rape in most scandinavian countries than in the rest of the world; as a sign of greater equality in the courts as in everywhere else in the society, which puts the numbers in international comparisons out of proportion. Whatever that has to do with justifying rape is something for you and your special "logic" to ponder about. You can't even read in your own language so stop questioning my logic you retard.

Statistics can never prove differences in races (the mere idea of that is absurd), only biology can, and so far, the only conclusions are that the variations amongst every single ethnicity is far greater than variation across different ethnicities, so to be correct, there isn't even different races to speak about.