[Zoya Khan]

(Original post by warrior-1)
Afghan , Indians impersonating Pakistani Pashtuns to cause ethnic hatred lol

The people of Pakistan love our Pashtun brothers.

Ask Pakistani Pashtuns whether they want to merge with Afghanistan - they would say NO.

I love Afghanistan as a Muslim country but the Pakistani Pashtun do not want to be part of this backward country.

Speak for yourself, dude. There is a number of Pakistani Pukhtoons who wish their province was separated and that there was a Pukhtoonistan so that they'd be cut off from Pakistan, as Pakistan was only made for the Punjabis and for the interest of other people. However, there are others, like you, who find their identity as Pakistanis.

[warrior-1]

(Original post by Zoya Khan)
Speak for yourself, dude. There is a number of Pakistani Pukhtoons who wish their province was separated and that there was a Pukhtoonistan so that they'd be cut off from Pakistan, as Pakistan was only made for the Punjabis and for the interest of other people. However, there are others, like you, who find their identity as Pakistanis.

Sister, Pakistani Pashtuns are 100% Pakistani.

I don't know why afghans complain of how the Pakistani Pashtuns are struggling in Pakistan whilst the Pakistani Pashtuns love Pakistan.

My friends are majority Pashtuns an love Pakistan more then me tho am part Pashtuns.

What Afghanistan are you talking about? Afghanistan where uzbecs, tajiks, Persians are against the Pashtuns. The only foreign occupiers resistance are the afghan Pashtuns whilst the rest of the ethics have sold Afg out.

I don't know how a Muslim can talk, think Ill of a fellow Muslim country! This is the same Pakistan that was instrumental of freeing afghanis, other Muslims from the brutality of the soviets.

This is the same Pakistan that is housing millions of afghans in it's citys wout complaining tho we are a poor nation.

Pakistan is the only Muslim nuclear power - the fact that it's facing difficuties now doesn't me that you start to chat rubbish about the country that gained independence on 27th ramadhan.

We are not Pashtuns, Baluchis, punjabis, Kashmiris, Urdu speaking but Pakistanis.

Pakistan was created for Punjabis lol...who were Yaya Khan, ayub Khan, liaquat Ali khan...they were Pashtuns...most impt Pakistanis.

Who is Imran Khan...a niazi Pashtun who wil inshallah be in govt soon!

We admire the likes of: Afridi, Yunis Khan, Umar Gul, Majid Khan, Jahangir Khan, Jansher Khan...all Pashtuns...all of Pakistan loves these athletes.

Mashallah, the Pashtuns of Pakistan are the greatest of all and made us proud many times!

The second father of our nation is : Dr Qadeer Khan..a Pashtun!

Pakistan Zindabad!

[warrior-1]

(Original post by *Funky-buddha*)
The ones by the border still mostly are, able to claim Afghan nationality if they so wished as if your parent is born in Afghanistan you are eligible for Afghan nationality, period. The tribals love life by the border, they're equadistance from Pakistani and Afghan cities, pay no taxes and live by their own laws and 'Pakistanis' are the butt of many of their jokes.

No offence but you're punjabi/Pakistani
I suppose if you could speak pashto you'd have a stronger case for what you say otherwise how in the world do you communicate with those pashtuns who only speak pashtu?

I respect your choice but I don't feel it's representative at all as you're punjabi

But khair, I'm a boring brit and I'm assuming you're a dual nationality Pakistani Brit? But either way British so how's the weather? :P

Pakistani Pashtuns speak Urdu aswel as Pashto.

Making me a punjabi, Kashmiri, Baluchi doesn't make me any less of a person then a pashtun.

You chat a load of rubbish - keep dreaming about Pashtunistan - our Pashtun brother will not think twice before sacrificing their lifes for Pakistan. As my grandad did as a Pakistani pilot to protect the Borders, ppl of Pakistan from enemies.

Anyway, am out of this thread - dnt quote me plz.

Don't speak Ill of my country please - respect.

You afghanis have benefitted from Pakistan so plz be grateful.

Remember - an individual finger isn't strong but when they cone togather to make a
Fist then this is much stronger.

Pakistan Zindabad

Plz dnt quote me!

Allah Hafiz - may Allah guide you ppl not to work on CIA agenda!

You are

[Pukhtun]

"Anyway, am out of this thread - dnt quote me plz."


Well thank goodness for that. No more nonsense from this "1/4 Pathan" to deal with.



Anyway guys earlier I said:

Ze na pyegum che da dwa khalaq be pakhto ghagedalay shi kana.
E thosey rozha tsenge thereegi? Pa khair?

I won't blame you if you didn't understand it fully since it's in Wardak dialect so it's very different to the "official" Pakhto

Translation is as follows:
I don't know if these two guys can even speak pakhto or not.
How is Ramadan passing for you? Good?

[Zoya Khan]

(Original post by warrior-1)
Sister, Pakistani Pashtuns are 100% Pakistani.

I don't know why afghans complain of how the Pakistani Pashtuns are struggling in Pakistan whilst the Pakistani Pashtuns love Pakistan.

My friends are majority Pashtuns an love Pakistan more then me tho am part Pashtuns.

What Afghanistan are you talking about? Afghanistan where uzbecs, tajiks, Persians are against the Pashtuns. The only foreign occupiers resistance are the afghan Pashtuns whilst the rest of the ethics have sold Afg out.

I don't know how a Muslim can talk, think Ill of a fellow Muslim country! This is the same Pakistan that was instrumental of freeing afghanis, other Muslims from the brutality of the soviets.

This is the same Pakistan that is housing millions of afghans in it's citys wout complaining tho we are a poor nation.

Pakistan is the only Muslim nuclear power - the fact that it's facing difficuties now doesn't me that you start to chat rubbish about the country that gained independence on 27th ramadhan.

We are not Pashtuns, Baluchis, punjabis, Kashmiris, Urdu speaking but Pakistanis.

Pakistan was created for Punjabis lol...who were Yaya Khan, ayub Khan, liaquat Ali khan...they were Pashtuns...most impt Pakistanis.

Who is Imran Khan...a niazi Pashtun who wil inshallah be in govt soon!

We admire the likes of: Afridi, Yunis Khan, Umar Gul, Majid Khan, Jahangir Khan, Jansher Khan...all Pashtuns...all of Pakistan loves these athletes.

Mashallah, the Pashtuns of Pakistan are the greatest of all and made us proud many times!

The second father of our nation is : Dr Qadeer Khan..a Pashtun!

Pakistan Zindabad!

lol! Chill, man. I haven't started offending and chatting rubbish about Pakistan yet but by the way you seem so defensive, it sure reflects your insecurities.

What I'm trying to say here is that the background of every Pashtun will lead back to Afghanistan. We are an ancient and prestigious race, and no matter wherever we are(migration is in our blood) or go, this name gives us a sense of unity and distinctness. And maybe the people I know and all the Pukhtoon friends I have, have a different view than of the ones you know, so lets clear up that misunderstanding right here- many Pukhtoons have many different views on this subject.
Yes, I'm anti-Jinnah and talking about this prospective will lead to huge arguments and I'd really appreciate it if we don't start that here.
I am very proud of whatever the Pukhtoons did in Pakistan and for Pakistan. Pakistan is a very beautiful country with lots of potential which will show very soon Inshallah. I do hope that Imran Khan makes it.


Now lets stop arguing about these things

[sahil112]

yh zoyaa u tell dem:P

[prince_s9]

Basse kay da afghan, pakistan, pushtoon etc. ka pukhtana yay kam az kam pukhto ke khabare kaway

[*Funky-buddha*]

(Original post by warrior-1)
Pakistani Pashtuns speak Urdu aswel as Pashto.

Making me a punjabi, Kashmiri, Baluchi doesn't make me any less of a person then a pashtun.

You chat a load of rubbish - keep dreaming about Pashtunistan - our Pashtun brother will not think twice before sacrificing their lifes for Pakistan. As my grandad did as a Pakistani pilot to protect the Borders, ppl of Pakistan from enemies.

Anyway, am out of this thread - dnt quote me plz.

Don't speak Ill of my country please - respect.

You afghanis have benefitted from Pakistan so plz be grateful.

Remember - an individual finger isn't strong but when they cone togather to make a
Fist then this is much stronger.

Pakistan Zindabad

Plz dnt quote me!

Allah Hafiz - may Allah guide you ppl not to work on CIA agenda!

You are

Absolute bull**** people in FATA and tribal regions don't often get a chance to go to school, especially girls and thus never learn urdu, often like their parents who downright refuse to teach their female children urdu. That is from experience of living here in Britain amongst many pashtuns and their views and stories.
I'm a pashtun, you're not, you're a punabi and hence why you know your native tongue.

The pashtuns who have mixed with Pakistani and live in cities are a different story. We have a family friend from Kabul who stayed in Peshawar in many years and he would often exclaim at the fact his urdu was better then a lot of pashtuns who'd lived there

No one is speaking ill of your country, my grandmother as a child moved from the border regions to Attock and lived there before emigration, although her parents were born and raised in what was Afghanistan she herself took Pakistani nationality before her British and had a great fondness for Pakistanis/Punabis, hence why I respect your country.

Now if you don't reply I shan't have to reply to you.

Have a great Ramadan !

[*Funky-buddha*]

(Original post by Zoya Khan)


Now lets stop arguing about these things

I seem to have started a little unrest, I apologize

And just to clarify for anyone else Pakistani/Punjabi, I respect your country and do your thing, this is just my opinion and so don't take it to heart

[Mikl6969]

(Original post by Pukhtun)
Ok it is 3 in the morning.
I will just summarise.


I do not support the Taliban (because they are largely controlled by your government and your ISI and they work against the intersts of the Pashtuns).
I do not support the Afghan government because they also work against the interests of the Pashtuns.
I do not support the Pakistani government for the same reason.
The durrand line was not drawn with the consent of the Pashtuns.
The Pashtuns living along that line do not recognise it and the Pashtuns of Afghanistan do not recognize it. In fact all of the past Afghan governments have never recognized it. Pashtun tribes live on both sides. Families live on both sides. They pass by freely. If anyone supports this line then you support the division of these Pashtuns.
I know Afghanistan is multi-ethnic and I know that Pakistan is multi-ethnic.
Pashtuns have been known as Afghans for many many years.
So to say 'we are all Pakistani' is ignoring this fact.
I was born in Wardak. I do not consider myself Pakistani. I am an ethnic Afghan. Any Pashtun in Pakistan or anywhere in the world is also an ethnic Afghan.
That is our identity. If anyone denies that then they are denying history.
And how am I bigoted? I want the best for my people. I talk against people who support those who work against our interests. I have nothing against any ethnic group or any religion.

I do not make such statements if people such as "warrior-1" do not make such statements. This is not a political thread. So no political talk! Can we agree on that?

The Reason I called you a bigot is because you said ignorant things like, Pakistan Army kills pashtuns, and other false accusations

many Pashtuns of Pakistan can speak urdu.The Tribal Areas is semi-autonomous and even they have loyalty to pakistan, although of course they have different tribal dynamics and tribal loyalties.

I doubt the pashtun tribes of afghanistan have any loyalty to the Kabul Government.

as for Pakistan's past support of the "afghan taliban" which is made up of Afghans, and was first fighting against the Soviet Union and then the Soviet back communist govt, nothing wrong with that.

Afghan entered a civil war different countries in the region (iran,india,russia) supported different groups, it was not possible for pakistan to support the northern alliance as it was made up of the very people pakistan and america had waged a proxy war against in the 1980s.

The Afghan Taliban taliban, were not angels neither were the Northern Alliance warlords.
If people didnt like the afghan taliban they couldve switched to the northern alliance but no one did

in the mid 90s the US invited Taliban leaders to discuss pipelines.The Taliban were not under the control of pakistan, otherwise they wouldve accepted pakistan demands to hand over OBL post 9/11.

If Pakistan hated afghans it would not have hosted 6 million + of them as refugees with no International assistance from 1990s-2011. Not only was pakistan under UN sanctions for developing nuclear weapons it continued to provide refugees camps.

Punjabis mother tounge is punjabi not urdu.Pakistans ethnic groups are not as divided as you say go in-between punjab and KP and the people thier speak a mixture of pashto and punjabi.Go to southern punjab and they speak a language which is mixture of punjabi and sindi.

So take your hate elsewhere. You consider your self afghan thats your right but dont speak on behalf of others and spread false things.Its not denying your history, are all Canadians denying their history when they say they are not americans ? no

I dont get why afghans, who know live in Britain import their hatred of pakistan .

Neg me all you want but its the Truth, I have no hostility to anyone but you people need to get beyond this narrow view of racial superiority and fale sense of being a victim to others.Afghan Taliban are made up of afghans

[The Lyceum]

Sup guys? Anyone here ever been to Afghanistan?

[Zoya Khan]

(Original post by Pukhtun)
"Anyway, am out of this thread - dnt quote me plz."


Well thank goodness for that. No more nonsense from this "1/4 Pathan" to deal with.



Anyway guys earlier I said:

Ze na pyegum che da dwa khalaq be pakhto ghagedalay shi kana.
E thosey rozha tsenge thereegi? Pa khair?

I won't blame you if you didn't understand it fully since it's in Wardak dialect so it's very different to the "official" Pakhto

Translation is as follows:
I don't know if these two guys can even speak pakhto or not.
How is Ramadan passing for you? Good?

Maybe I've re-awakened the 1/4 Pathan by quoting him again...

Anyway, Ramadhan is going well Tool kha de. Bus dalta Muscat ke der garmi de

[Zoya Khan]

(Original post by *Funky-buddha*)
I seem to have started a little unrest, I apologize

And just to clarify for anyone else Pakistani/Punjabi, I respect your country and do your thing, this is just my opinion and so don't take it to heart

No probs It was bound to happen, seeing how they were talking and we're not angels either

[Pukhtun]

Mikl, hes foida nashta che ze e tho sa khabare wakum. E tho khabare tol mdase 'nonsense rant' dey. Laka che theh pukhtun ham na ye laka da 'warrior' workay. Nu bas, de mo ow e tho khabare khlos shwa. Zghula zoteenur.


The Lyceum, last time I went there was 5 years ago. Was meant to go this summer but it just didn't happen


Zoya, kha dey che kha thereegi! Muscat ke wraze be der wooghd ba we, ke tsenge?

[The Lyceum]

Ah ok I'm guessing now is not the safest time? I hope things clear up in future as I'd like to do some excavation work.

[an44588]

I am a second generation khattak pashtun born in bred in birmingham, uk. Although I have a lot of pride and curiousity for my pashtun background, I do not have any evidence to show this as I am lacking in the language department. Hopefully inshallah this will improve. Any other brummies here?

[makaveli33]

They should make Pashto a language of Google Translator and also a language on LiveMocha for its courses. :0

[sahil112]

(Original post by makaveli33)
They should make Pashto a language of Google Translator and also a language on LiveMocha for its courses. :0

they should initt!!!

[Zoya Khan]

(Original post by Pukhtun)
re was 5 years ago.

Zoya, kha dey che kha thereegi! Muscat ke wraze be der wooghd ba we, ke tsenge?

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Sorry for the late response. I just don't know how I missed that!

Muscat ke aman de ao kha qanoon de. Qanoon da tolo da para yao de. Mausam garam de baghair da AC na guzara na kigi. Dalta safai dera da. Musalman mulq de. har zai ke jumatuna di ao pa har jumat ke zananao(khazo) da para zai jorh de. Da dunya har shai milagwigi. Hara mewa ao sabzi pa har mausam ke milawigi

So yes, I'm happy here, as the environment is good too and I live with my family that I'm very close with.
I guess a majority Pukhtoons in this section are living overseas

[kayjay]

(Original post by *Funky-buddha*)
Actually I think you'll find most pashtuns find 'Pathan' derogatory, I'm not exactly the most in touch pashtun ever but if I know that then I'm pretty sure it's common knowledge.

I think not. I am a pathan, or pashtun or whatever you want to use but i generally use pathan as do most pathans i know, and i do not find it derogatory.

I do not speak pashto at all - but my dad does ( though is in the minority in my wider family)
maybe that is why i don't find pathan derogatory, but then again he ( my dad) use pathan over pashtun and was annoyed at the renaming of NWFP to KP because it doesn't consider those not speaking pashto

Are you saying that if you don't speak pashto you are not pathan? I speak English, with Hindko as my mother tongue but I am still pathan.

On a lighter note, hi to everyone here.
Out of interest are there any other Hindko speakers here
and where in Pakistan ( I don't know much about Afghanistan) is everyone from?