Who thinks the NHS is crap?

I don't think that is a good way he put it. Basically most people have a high expectation of docs but also a cynicism that they are in it for prestige and power much more than a concern for the patient. It's dissonance. I mean, I have a ard time believe a lot of them would agonise over the side effects of a drug having inisduous effects on someone for example, they are very relaxed prescribing. We are also all aware of te highly ambitious egotistical and imperious types who enjoy the power of it probably more than anything else. Medicine does attract similar people that you'll find in politics, for example.

I'm fully aware of that. I just despise pretentious jumped-up little pricks like yourself who put down other people for not getting 10 A* at GCSE. I've worked hard to get where I am. Pretty sure grafting and giving a **** is going to get me a lot further than your private school education and parents money.

You need more than that in business. Savvy. And anyhow, loads of people can do biology and chemistry, my aunt is a GP and really struggled wit physcis though, and loads of people can;'t do Maths because, frankly, biology and chemistry can be passed by slog and rote learning and high level maths needs someone that bit sharper.

I'm fully aware of that. I just despise pretentious jumped-up little pricks like yourself who put down other people for not getting 10 A* at GCSE. I've worked hard to get where I am. Pretty sure grafting and giving a **** is going to get me a lot further than your private school education and parents money.

He's a medic, and private school, so expect him to be arrogant. But, he's nowhere yet.

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That's a bit weird.

Why would you want a doctor who 'agonised over' the drugs that they were prescribing? They are fully aware of the side-effects associated with treatments and they are considered in a cost : benefit way. Do you want them to be pissing themselves as they fill out your script?

And power? Please. If anyone wanted power they would apply for hospital management jobs, not clinical ones. Nevertheless, who says that you cannot be ambitious and caring?

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I went to a comprehensive school in the Bradford authority.

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Okay so tell me what qualities makes a good businessman/woman. Physics is just applied maths.
Have you ever read a statistics book? One person is not enough to make an assumption about a whole profession.

Was concerned over, put it that way. They are happy to dole out prescriptions without much thought to side effects

And I think you're being a little disingeneous to suggest that the power and the glory, (maybe not so much now admittedly) public view of them, even glamorous view of them, is not a ajor attraction for many.

This thread is testament to the fact that these glory days are over, whereby doctors are villified by the public, beaten down by management and hounded by the media. If someone wants power, they become a penpusher, not a doctor.

Doctors over paid?!?! They're are not paid enough. Savings peoples life day in day out , with a **** load of stress on their shoulders. It's so easy to judge I would like to see you walk in their shoes for a week.
Good idea lets tell drug companies to slow down making those life saving drugs.

It doesn't matter, this is tangential. He said anyone who could be a doctor could make a lot more in other professions, a notion I am contesting as nonsense.

Not at all, At least it's the impression I get when doctors are talking to me. Having been in and out of hospital and having faced a lot of doctors I can tell you most don't seem to care, there are a bunch who do and most of these seem to be the younger ones who are actually interested in what they're doing.

I'm not going to bash them all and say they're all bad and how the NHS is a failure because it isn't true, but something seriously needs to be done or changed in the NHS because the quality of healthcare is rather low.

Anyone intelligent enough to become a doctor could earn a lot more money in other professions. For the hours that a full-time doctor has to work, for the years of unpaid training, followed by badly paid training with insane hours (which has now changed due to the recent european work time directive) most doctors could certainly be earning much more, much earlier. They're not just there for the money.

There are bad doctors, but theres a lot of good ones too. And lets see what happens with a private system! Then you'll see overpaid doctors, just there for the money, milking every patient for all the money they can get.

They're certainly not underpaid after full training, I agree. Especially with the stupid GP contract a few years ago. But it's not an easy job, not even slightly. And pay less, you'll attract worse people to the job. And I, for one, don't mind paying more to attract better people into the career.

ok you need a good education

Ok. You need to learn to stop coming out with stupid one liners. And at least back your idiotic point up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primum_non_nocere
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I agree with your point im very sorry for generalising all doctors they do play a vaulable part in society but the ones i have come across have been purely there for the $$$ and other agendas. I dont think doctors are paid enormous sums of money they are definately not superrich by any means or even get close to the elite.

But my point of view is that if the NHS was privatised and more competition the doctors who didnt give a ****e wouldnt get the customers and hence make less money and the great doctors will excel and earn their wage.