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    (Original post by ViceVersa)
    Tbh there isn't a 'fair way' to judge everyone, and there isn't a 'level playing field' because someone will always be a lil bit disadvantaged, just the way it is :erm:
    This is also very true. At this moment there are many rejected graduates with first class degrees and **** UKCAT scores who will be very disgruntled at the fact that graduates with 2:1s and good UKCAT scores managed to secure the interview spots. Someone will always be disadvantaged.

    (Original post by tianuk3)
    This. Utter agreement with everything you say, and this is entirely what I thought too. Unfortunately I will have to take out crazy bank loans to fund my (hopefully) A100 course as I am not eligible for a student loan because of my previous degree.
    Yes, I agree with you. How will you be able to afford keeping up repayments on a commercial bank loan though? If you don't mind saying

    (Original post by Tripo)
    tbh i agree with what your saying, but i do think its highly unfair on school leavers, as how can they compete with someone who has a degree. obviously the medical school will pick the best people. at the end of the day this is uk not america. but i guess who knows what barts are planning. I guess it would be interesting to have a class from all sorts of degrees and backgrounds but this is what GEP was created for.
    Because at the interview stage it doesn't matter what your qualifications or UKCAT score are. All that matters is how you perform on the day. The interview itself is a universally level playing field...the process of being picked for it isn't.
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    (Original post by Democracy)
    This is also very true. At this moment there are many rejected graduates with first class degrees and **** UKCAT scores who will be very disgruntled at the fact that graduates with 2:1s and good UKCAT scores managed to secure the interview spots. Someone will always be disadvantaged.
    :closedeyes:
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    (Original post by Democracy)
    Because at the interview stage it doesn't matter what your qualifications or UKCAT score are. All that matters is how you perform on the day. The interview itself is a universally level playing field...the process of being picked for it isn't.
    Do you know anything about how Barts gives offers? Is the UKCAT/personal statement no longer taken into consideration post-interview?
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    (Original post by Democracy)

    Yes, I agree with you. How will you be able to afford keeping up repayments on a commercial bank loan though? If you don't mind saying
    I have been working doing extra shifts on top of my full time job nearly every weekend since September in order to actually save some money up (as my full time hospital job allows me to pay for food, accommodation, bills and gives me not much excess).

    I will also sell a lot of possesions to raise up some money and plan to look for some part time work whilst at uni if it is possible (depending upon workload) and of course working during holiday time too, and then play it by ear and adapt accordingly. I can take out a loan which will nearly pay for my first 4 years and pay it back over 10 years, and of course will get a bursary in my final year too, and I have already inquired about a maintenance loan and I am eligible for this to pay for my rent/food.

    Sounds silly and unplanned, I know, but I have it under control, trust me ;-), do you mind me asking how you have financed it? (just incase there are any extra tips which will help :-) )

    I haven't even got an offer/interview yet, so I am still hoping for that the moment.
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    Because at the interview stage it doesn't matter what your qualifications or UKCAT score are.

    This is not the case. The Barts admissions doc says:

    " 11. Selection process and sequence

    11.1 Applications are firstly reviewed within the Admissions Office to check that they meet the minimum academic requirements. Any applications which do not meet the academic requirements will be rejected at this point.

    11.2 A100 and A200 applicants (not including graduates) who achieve at least 2400 overall in the UKCAT and meet our minimum academic entry criteria will be given a score for their UCAS tariff based on achieved/predicted grades for all tariffable criteria. The tariff and interview score will both be considered in determining which applicants will be offered places. "

    Tbh there isn't a 'fair way' to judge everyone, and there isn't a 'level playing field' because someone will always be a lil bit disadvantaged, just the way it is
    The systems at UCL and Imperial for example seem to be fairer. UCL looks at the whole applicant profile and then all that matters is how you perform on the interview day. At Imperiial interview offers are based on the content of your application and your performance in the BMAT
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    Interview on the 2nd of Feb group A!
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    (Original post by Palladium)
    Interview on the 2nd of Feb group A!
    CONGRATULATIONS!!!

    did you recieve an email today? also are you a grad?
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    (Original post by Prasanth)
    Do you know anything about how Barts gives offers? Is the UKCAT/personal statement no longer taken into consideration post-interview?
    In all honesty, I don't know about that. As far as I know the UKCAT score is only used for picking candidates for interview, but I could be wrong.

    (Original post by chocolate_pies)
    This is not the case. The Barts admissions doc says:

    " 11. Selection process and sequence

    11.1 Applications are firstly reviewed within the Admissions Office to check that they meet the minimum academic requirements. Any applications which do not meet the academic requirements will be rejected at this point.

    11.2 A100 and A200 applicants (not including graduates) who achieve at least 2400 overall in the UKCAT and meet our minimum academic entry criteria will be given a score for their UCAS tariff based on achieved/predicted grades for all tariffable criteria. The tariff and interview score will both be considered in determining which applicants will be offered places. "
    I'm sorry, I should have been clearer. What I meant in my answer to Tripo was that at the interview it doesn't matter what kind of qualifications you have i.e. whether you're a graduate or a school leaver, all that matters is how you perform. Therefore school leavers shouldn't have to "compete" with graduates (as he said they might).

    (Original post by tianuk3)
    I have been working doing extra shifts on top of my full time job nearly every weekend since September in order to actually save some money up (as my full time hospital job allows me to pay for food, accommodation, bills and gives me not much excess).

    I will also sell a lot of possesions to raise up some money and plan to look for some part time work whilst at uni if it is possible (depending upon workload) and of course working during holiday time too, and then play it by ear and adapt accordingly. I can take out a loan which will nearly pay for my first 4 years and pay it back over 10 years, and of course will get a bursary in my final year too, and I have already inquired about a maintenance loan and I am eligible for this to pay for my rent/food.
    Ahh cheers for the info, best of luck with it all :yy:

    Sounds silly and unplanned, I know, but I have it under control, trust me ;-), do you mind me asking how you have financed it? (just incase there are any extra tips which will help :-) )

    I haven't even got an offer/interview yet, so I am still hoping for that the moment.
    For medicine? I haven't, I'm still hoping for an offer :p:
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    (Original post by Democracy)
    In all honesty, I don't know about that. As far as I know the UKCAT score is only used for picking candidates for interview, but I could be wrong.
    Any idea how much weight the reference holds throughout the whole process? I started panicking a bit once I received my reference as it was full of grammatical errors; tut tut.:eek:

    I was unaware that you were still waiting for an offer, have you had an interview then? What is your background? I just assumed you were a medical student at Barts
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    (Original post by tianuk3)
    Any idea how much weight the reference holds throughout the whole process?
    Don't know :no:

    I started panicking a bit once I received my reference as it was full of grammatical errors; tut tut.:eek:
    Logically, I would assume BL wouldn't punish you because whoever wrote your reference has grammar issues

    I was unaware that you were still waiting for an offer, have you had an interview then? What is your background? I just assumed you were a medical student at Barts
    I'm a postgraduate at BL. Please note: postgrad, not undergrad

    I've been invited to the GEP selection centre and I'm currently waiting to hear back from the A100 programme.
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    (Original post by Democracy)
    Don't know :no:

    Logically, I would assume BL wouldn't punish you because whoever wrote your reference has grammar issues

    I'm a postgraduate at BL. Please note: postgrad, not undergrad

    I've been invited to the GEP selection centre and I'm currently waiting to hear back from the A100 programme.
    I'm sure you will get a A100 interview then, it wouldn't really make sense otherwise :-)

    Yeh, I'm not too fussed about my course leader's reference now, just at the time I was slightly baffled it looked like it hadn't been proof read

    Oh I calculated the difference in cost of the Graduate and Under Graduate course for a Graduate Student if anyone is interested? (Please correct me if I'm wrong, and I know they are simple calculations but easy to see difference):

    Under Graduate:
    Year 1:9000
    Year 2:9000
    Year 3:9000
    Year 4:9000
    Year 5:0 (NHS Bursary)

    Total Tuition Fees: £36,000
    Not applicable for Student Loan

    Then a means tested maitenance Loan for each year

    Graduate
    Year 1:9000
    Year 2:5535 (with partial NHS Bursary)
    Year 3:5535 (with partial NHS Bursary)
    Year 4:5535 (with partial NHS Bursary)

    Total Tuition Fees: £25605
    Applicable for Student Loan

    Then a means tested maitenance Loan for each year
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    (Original post by Palladium)
    Interview on the 2nd of Feb group A!
    congrats! how many ucas points?
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    it is pretty much clear that barts have taken the very wrong road of using the tariff system.

    Firstly, the tariff system itself is not fair or balanced itself so to base an entire selection process on this idea would only exacerbate the clear unfairness in the process. (I am not speaking from experience as I have received an interview). An individual who excels in sports to even international level will receive an advantage of 0 points (or even a Gold Duke of Edinburgh award) yet somebody who decides to take a sports leadership course or music will receive many more points.

    Secondly, the predicted grade system at most schools is unfair as some schools will predict A*/A's when really other schools will correctly predict B's. (again I was predicted 4A*'s so this is not from experience).

    All in all, it should be scrapped. (yes there has to be some method of selection and many other universities are unfair- but I really do think this is perhaps the crudest method).

    I personally believe the UCL method of looking at the whole application and assessing candidates on these grounds is far better- but hey thats just my opinion.
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    (Original post by tianuk3)
    I'm sure you will get a A100 interview then, it wouldn't really make sense otherwise :-)

    Yeh, I'm not too fussed about my course leader's reference now, just at the time I was slightly baffled it looked like it hadn't been proof read

    Oh I calculated the difference in cost of the Graduate and Under Graduate course for a Graduate Student if anyone is interested? (Please correct me if I'm wrong, and I know they are simple calculations but easy to see difference):

    Under Graduate:
    Year 1:9000
    Year 2:9000
    Year 3:9000
    Year 4:9000
    Year 5:0 (NHS Bursary)

    Total Tuition Fees: £36,000
    Not applicable for Student Loan

    Then a means tested maitenance Loan for each year

    Graduate
    Year 1:9000
    Year 2:5535 (with partial NHS Bursary)
    Year 3:5535 (with partial NHS Bursary)
    Year 4:5535 (with partial NHS Bursary)

    Total Tuition Fees: £25605
    Applicable for Student Loan

    Then a means tested maitenance Loan for each year
    Your calculations are correct from all the info I've read since last Summer when the new system was announced :yes: The GEP offers a pretty sweet deal: tuition fee loan and a ~£10.5K saving.
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    (Original post by Democracy)
    Your calculations are correct from all the info I've read since last Summer when the new system was announced :yes: The GEP offers a pretty sweet deal: tuition fee loan and a ~£10.5K saving.
    It certainly does. Also one year less so you the graduate would have probably been working as a junior doctor on roughly 28k for one year.

    A pity I was rejected by both my graduate choices , supposedly they are not sure if they will continue to provide a bursary for years 2,3,4 for entry 2013.
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    (Original post by tianuk3)
    I'm sure you will get a A100 interview then, it wouldn't really make sense otherwise :-)

    Yeh, I'm not too fussed about my course leader's reference now, just at the time I was slightly baffled it looked like it hadn't been proof read

    Oh I calculated the difference in cost of the Graduate and Under Graduate course for a Graduate Student if anyone is interested? (Please correct me if I'm wrong, and I know they are simple calculations but easy to see difference):

    Under Graduate:
    Year 1:9000
    Year 2:9000
    Year 3:9000
    Year 4:9000
    Year 5:0 (NHS Bursary)

    Total Tuition Fees: £36,000
    Not applicable for Student Loan

    Then a means tested maitenance Loan for each year

    Graduate
    Year 1:9000
    Year 2:5535 (with partial NHS Bursary)
    Year 3:5535 (with partial NHS Bursary)
    Year 4:5535 (with partial NHS Bursary)

    Total Tuition Fees: £25605
    Applicable for Student Loan

    Then a means tested maitenance Loan for each year
    Not quite!

    Graduates applying for GEM at least are allowed to apply for a student tuition fee loan to cover the rise in costs, so for the first year you'd pay £3465, with the loan covering the rest. And years 2-4 the NHS covers the £3465 and tuition fee loan covers the rest of it :yy:

    Not sure on the criteria when you apply for these loans as they're new for next year and also not sure if it applies for the 5/6 year programmes, but there's some info on Nottingham GEMs website here: http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/students...mstudents.aspx
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    Hey everyone ... i'm not a med applicant, but i saw this and thought of you guys, hope you enjoy

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    (Original post by tianuk3)
    It certainly does. Also one year less so you the graduate would have probably been working as a junior doctor on roughly 28k for one year.

    A pity I was rejected by both my graduate choices , supposedly they are not sure if they will continue to provide a bursary for years 2,3,4 for entry 2013.
    I'm probably one of the few graduates to say this, but to be honest, I'd actually prefer to go for the 5 year course as opposed to the 4 year, if I had a choice. Yes, finance is a big issue, but then medicine is an investment anyway, and it wouldn't make too much of a difference in the long term - at the end of the day, you'll be doctoring for ~40 years. The important thing to me is that a good foundation has to be set. Not saying GEP courses can't, but I feel that I'd be overall happier in the 5 year course. With an extra year, It'd allow me to have more time to settle down, more time to develop my skills, as well as having more time for social activities, oh, and a significantly bigger year group is also a bonus.
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    (Original post by Penguinsaysquack)
    Not quite!

    Graduates applying for GEM at least are allowed to apply for a student tuition fee loan to cover the rise in costs, so for the first year you'd pay £3465, with the loan covering the rest. And years 2-4 the NHS covers the £3465 and tuition fee loan covers the rest of it :yy:
    This is totally right, I missed this :facepalm:

    (Original post by tianuk3)
    It certainly does. Also one year less so you the graduate would have probably been working as a junior doctor on roughly 28k for one year.

    A pity I was rejected by both my graduate choices , supposedly they are not sure if they will continue to provide a bursary for years 2,3,4 for entry 2013.
    Sorry to hear that. So your remaining choies are BL A100 and...?
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    (Original post by Panda89)
    I'm probably one of the few graduates to say this, but to be honest, I'd actually prefer to go for the 5 year course as opposed to the 4 year, if I had a choice. Yes, finance is a big issue, but then medicine is an investment anyway, and it wouldn't make too much of a difference in the long term - at the end of the day, you'll be doctoring for ~40 years. The important thing to me is that a good foundation has to be set. Not saying GEP courses can't, but I feel that I'd be overall happier in the 5 year course. With an extra year, It'd allow me to have more time to settle down, more time to develop my skills, as well as having more time for social activities, oh, and a significantly bigger year group is also a bonus.
    I agree with you on the social and academic aspect, but when you don't have 36,000 or so pounds saved up for the course and your parents cannot provide any financial support whatsoever then it is a completely different matter. If I had a choice and could do the graduate course and have 10,000 or do the undergraduate, I would pick the undergraduate but I am unfortunately not in that position.

    (Original post by Penguinsaysquack)
    Not quite!

    Graduates applying for GEM at least are allowed to apply for a student tuition fee loan to cover the rise in costs, so for the first year you'd pay £3465, with the loan covering the rest. And years 2-4 the NHS covers the £3465 and tuition fee loan covers the rest of it :yy:

    Not sure on the criteria when you apply for these loans as they're new for next year and also not sure if it applies for the 5/6 year programmes, but there's some info on Nottingham GEMs website here: http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/students...mstudents.aspx
    Hehe, i think you missed my bit where I said "Applicable for Student Loan", i meant eligible hence why there could be a bit of confusion.

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