Dance and Trance Music Society

Like both Trance and Dance. Mainly into the big commercial trance DJs.

You're right! Just added you!

Cheers!

Has anyone heard of Ratty? Anyway, enough of that.

what the hell are you talking about? ratty is NOTHING like scooter, ratty is breakbeat hardcore,

shity rip-off yankee happy hardcore

OK, well being as i'm officially part of the society i might aswell say a few things to mark my arrival.

Firstly, i've seen quite a lot of talk about Scooter in this topic, which is nice to see. Shows they, despite disappearing from the UK scene (due to lack of marketing) are still firmly engraved on dance lovers minds. On the other hand, i've also seen quite a bit of Scooter bashing. Let's get things straight - Scooter are one of the biggest and most important dance acts in dance music history. Cheesey, nonsensical lyrics, chipmunk vocals... you think that's all Scooter are? Wrong! Albums like Wicked and We Bring The Noise are the stuff of genius and obvious musical talent - end of. I have 209 Scooter tracks in my collection according to iTunes. Around 16 hours of music. The 'genre' column ranges from Happy Hardcore to Trance, from Chillout to House and Disco. Sometimes when i see people in the UK talking about Scooter i wonder if they really know who or what they are talking about.... Has anyone heard of Ratty?

Anyway, enough of that.


I myself am pretty much into every form of dance music there is. There's not lot i don't like. I've been into trance and chart dance music for as long as i can remember. Around 2002/2003 i really got into my hard dance music - hard house, hard trance, hardstyle - and now it boarders upon obsession. For me, hard trance is where it's at - as rough, driving and rhythmic as hard house but as euphoric, uplifting and cutting edge as modern trance. Beautiful. Although, since getting to Uni in Bristol, i've discovered the wonders of Psy-Trance (mainly Infected Mushroom - who i went to see live in Bristol in Novemeber) and Drum & Bass/Breaks (which is pretty much the only dance music that gets played around here.) Oh, and my collection of Bonkers CDs is also growing nicely so there's always the opportunity for a spot of hardcore when required.

Anyway, i'm boring the pants off you all know so i'll shut up and leave. lol

heard of easygroove? top buzz? flashback? spinback? donovan bad boy smith? storm? didn't think so, breakbeat hardcore is the first music i got into and started mixing.............i am the old skool GOD. blup!

Hey, don't go! You're not boring me! I'm learning stuff here!

I only said that Scooter were classed as Eurotechno bcos that's what I'd been told and I didn't know how else to classify it. :

My favourite Scooter song that I've heard is tie between Posse and The Logical Song- pure class! What about you?

Wow, you like more genres of dance music than I do

So did you import/burn those Scooter songs over onto your MP3 player or download them? For free?

Wrong Ratty, mate lol

Ratty

If you've never heard Sunrise by Ratty then you've been living under a rock for the past 5 years. Ratty was a project invented by Scooter to get people that thought Scooter were a "shity rip-off yankee happy hardcore" act listening to their material. Thousands of dance fans around the world were saying, "God, aren't Scooter talentless nobodies" while at the same time saying, "That Sunrise by Ratty is a *****ing classic - i wonder who wrote it?"

By saying that you've just proved exactly what i said in my previous post.

Scooter were never a fully fledged happy hardcore act. Their first album, ...And The Beat Goes On, aswell as containing your traditional Scooter rave tracks like Move Your Ass and Endless Summer, contained a hell of a lot of trance. Rick and Ferris helped give birth to modern trance with tracks like Different Reality and Waiting For Spring. Wicked, which was released the year after, contained as much chillout as anything else and its debateable as to whether it contains any happy hardcore at all. Out of the 200 odd Scooter tracks i have, i'd personally only class 9 of them as happy hardcore. Equally, Scooter have never really been a techno act. Techno is word often used to describe any type of dance music that can't be put into the other, more easily defined, genres of dance. I'd only class 2, maybe 3, Scooter songs as genuine techno. But in a sense, they have created their own genre that most of the fans call "Stadium Techno". How many dance acts can say they have invented their own genre?

OK, so you are really into your breakbeat hardcore. That means you probably won't like Scooter. Of all the many many dance genres that Scooter span, breakbeat hardcore isn't really one of them - but are Scooter a "shity yankee (whatever that's meant to mean) happy hardcore" group? Nope. There's far more to them than that.

yes to all those in bold...although considering that you see your self as the old skool god, or even a breakbeat hardcore fiend how could you have left out Ellis Dee or Luna C

never heard it, i dont listen to happy hardcore, i dont like it. i could easily say........have you heard acen - trip to the moon? WHAT!? you haven't? its possibly the best dance track ever created. tbh if i do listen to it ill probably say its crap

Fabio? maybe grooverider? lol JUNGLE!? ermmm even altern 8? RAVE? carl cox, dj hype? breakbeat hardcore?

Maybe i wasn't very clear about that point... By inventing a genre i meant creating a genre that is exclusive to that group. Fabio and Grooverider may have "invented" jungle, according to you, but they aren't the only artists to create jungle (far from it, in fact.)

Whereas, the concept of "Stadium Techno" is something very exclusive to Scooter. I'm sure there are probably other examples but i'm sure they are rare.

By the way, i listenned to those tracks you just posted, and frankly i found them pretty boring. Not bad by any means, but nothing special. The second one was lot better than the first one, but still give me trance or hard house any day of the week.

And just for the record - the closest Scooter tracks to those 2 you posted would probably be When I Was A Young Boy or We Take You Higher (both from the album Wicked) but, having said that, you probably wouldn't be too impressed as, along with the breakbeats, both tracks have "happy hardcore" overtones because of the "happy" riffs they use.

what a load of bollox, im sure there's loads of producers similar to scooter, just because you aint heard of them doesn't mean they dont exist.

no shi/t sherlock, want me to list every single artist that was pushing jungle forward? infact you list the artists if you know so much about it =/

they have breaks? post them up and let me have a listen.

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hard house is rubbish, how can you say you find those tracks boring when they have so many different levels? hard house, wow a nasty repitive kick drum,

And what would be the point of that.....

I might do - if you're nice.

Admittedly, hard house is repetitive, but, if it's good hard house, it'll have far more edge. Good hard house is aggressive, normally with a rough, hard-hitting riff. James Lawson's mix of Alphazone's Stay is a perfect example. I know myself, when hard house is bad, it's very very very bad, but you just have to know what you're looking for.

if you know so much about it............. =/

cool, sure its not just a broken beat hes got rather than actual breaks?

the first track is using breaks, quite cheesy with those vocals and thats defo happy hardcore. Not much going on in it, but its ok. add a few more layers and remove the shity vocals and it would be a good happy hardcore track, similar to the type being released in 94 and 95, then hhc got crap and adopted a horrible 4x4 kick drum =/.

the second track, is using a broken beat structure, i think, im listening to it on my laptop and the sound aint clear, but there might be a kick drum in there simaltanious with the snare. I dont like it, and it isn't hard house.

and i hate the 3rd track!! its just noise, a trancey riff and rubbish bleeps, the broken beat is the best thing going on this. i have no idea what genre this fall into but i rekon some ***ed up hard trance genre, although the snare doesn't make that likely.