[taigan]

I'm a Muslim but I'm FIRMLY against Sharia Law spreading. I am a believer of leaving people to their own devices (unless they are doing something potential harmful to themselves/others/society) and so the last thing I would want is these practices imposed upon others. People who are forced to follow a religion because their parents or society forced them to don't really support it, and as soon as they get their freedom they'll turn their backs to it.

Sharia Law, in my opinion, obstructs opinions on ethics with some completely illogical systems of thought. E.g. Why should homosexuality be made illegal? It's not hurting anyone and is no way detrimental. Likewise, you don't need Sharia Law to know that murder is wrong and charity is a good thing; you just need logic! As I said, I'm a Muslim and I do look to my religion for guidance, but in no way do I perceive ALL (note the word "all") the values of the Quran (collected and recorded in a different time period) as flawless.

[2ndClass]

(Original post by superdamn)
saying i am a troll because you dont like hearing my opinion , is a bit weak to be honest - just answer the question , we can all get along - peace

You've been refuted three pages ago, but I'm right aren't I

[Abbadon27]

I'll take it by your lack of comeback that I have won the argument

[superdamn]

(Original post by taigan)
I'm a Muslim but I'm FIRMLY against Sharia Law spreading. I am a believer of leaving people to their own devices (unless they are doing something potential harmful to themselves/others/society) and so the last thing I would want is these practices imposed upon others. People who are forced to follow a religion because their parents or society forced them to don't really support it, and as soon as they get their freedom they'll turn their backs to it.

Sharia Law, in my opinion, obstructs opinions on ethics with some completely illogical systems of thought. E.g. Why should homosexuality be made illegal? It's not hurting anyone and is no way detrimental. Likewise, you don't need Sharia Law to know that murder is wrong and charity is a good thing; you just need logic! As I said, I'm a Muslim and I do look to my religion for guidance, but in no way do I perceive ALL (note the word "all") the values of the Quran (collected and recorded in a different time period) as flawless.

then most muslims would say you sin against allah as u do not follow the quran fully

[superdamn]

(Original post by 2ndClass)
You've been refuted three pages ago, but I'm right aren't I

i am not a troll at all , why am i a troll because i habe brought up the painfull fact that if you look closley at islam it is not a relgion of peace , but muslims have labled it that

[tufc]

(Original post by missgeorgia)
You and T-ros are one and the same..to simply create hate!

The truth might bring hate. But surely that doesn't mean we ignore the truth...

[superdamn]

(Original post by Abbadon27)
I'll take it by your lack of comeback that I have won the argument

sorry did not see it repeat the question

[superdamn]

(Original post by missgeorgia)
You and T-ros are one and the same..to simply create hate!

ohhh that is RICH coming from someone who follows the islamic teachings , but your entitled to your own opnion

[2ndClass]

(Original post by superdamn)
i am not a troll at all , why am i a troll because i habe brought up the painfull fact that if you look closley at islam it is not a relgion of peace , but muslims have labled it that

You are a troll, and btw, what if Islam isn't a religion of peace what's that going to change exactly? is this monumental "revelation" going to make me or the 1.5 Billion other Muslims leave Islam?

you're wasting your time mate and even the non Muslims are telling you this

[Abbadon27]

(Original post by superdamn)
sorry did not see it repeat the question

Post 59. I gave examples of other religious followers lying to protect themselves, and a reference to a part of the bible that supports lying in certain situations.

[superdamn]

(Original post by Abbadon27)
Well, examples of Jews lying would be in Nazi Germany, where some lied to avoid persecution. A Christian example would be during the Middle Ages, where Catholics and Protestants lied to avoid burning ect. (I'm too lazy to look for examples in the holy texts, but I think a example of lying is in James 2:25).

But the point still remains, assuming they are lying is wrong unless you have some proof that they are.

you missed my point people will lie to save themselfs thats human , but i would rather die than disown my God that is something i would not do and would gladly die for as many chrstians would , my point is islam is the only relgion to instruct its followers to lie by there god

apart from that this thread is about sharia law not lying

[bill-e]

(Original post by tufc)
The threat that comes from Muslims posting flyers all over East London, declaring massive areas 'Sharia Controlled Zones'.

The massive threat that comes from the loony left as much as Islam itself, that makes it racist and Islamophobic to criticise Islam.

Common sense has gone out the window for you. A small minority does not pose such a threat. The biggest threat comes from people like you who far outnumber the few 'loonies' and make the biggest issue out of it. You stop thinking of all muslims as humans equal to everyone else and let your prejudice views generalize and ridicule them as though they are a different species. You present your extremist views like valid points. It's stupid and only further escalates tense situations. If you truly wanted to stop this 'massive threat' you wouldn't attack, rather try to understand others viewpoint and find reasons for why they have that view.

[superdamn]

(Original post by 2ndClass)
You are a troll, and btw, what if Islam isn't a religion of peace what's that going to change exactly? is this monumental "revelation" going to make me or the 1.5 Billion other Muslims leave Islam?

you're wasting your time mate and even the non Muslims are telling you this

yeah of course i am ....yup many muslims over time will click on this link , read it and a seed of doubt will be planted in some, to start to question islam , something that is not allowed currently but starting to happen all over the world the cracks in islm are def begging to show

[2ndClass]

(Original post by superdamn)
yeah of course i am ....yup many muslims over time will click on this link , read it and a seed of doubt will be planted in some, to start to question islam , something that is not allowed currently but starting to happen all over the world the cracks in islm are def begging to show

good luck with that then troll

[bill-e]

(Original post by superdamn)
again as you can see our muslims friends have very poor manners and when they cant find an answer to a question ...starting using abuse as a tool to fend of the direct questions that they simply dont want to answer

I sincerely apologize for my outburst and poor mannerisms. There was no question directed at me. Nonetheless, I hope you accept my apology

[tufc]

(Original post by bill-e)
Common sense has gone out the window for you. A small minority does not pose such a threat. The biggest threat comes from people like you who far outnumber the few 'loonies' and make the biggest issue out of it. You stop thinking of all muslims as humans equal to everyone else and let your prejudice views generalize and ridicule them as though they are a different species. You present your extremist views like valid points. It's stupid and only further escalates tense situations. If you truly wanted to stop this 'massive threat' you wouldn't attack, rather try to understand others viewpoint and find reasons for why they have that view.

I'm only reacting to what I see going on. Read the article, and you'll discover that in Islam, a man can divorce his wife just by saying one word, but a woman has to go through a legal system to divorce her husband. Not exactly Western, is it? I understand exactly why Muslims have their beliefs: it says it in the Koran! That's why they get their beliefs. And their beliefs are that women should be stoned for having sex. A recent poll showed that a third of Muslims in British universities back killing in the name of Islam. These are supposed to be young, modern, forward thinking Muslims, but yet a third of them support killing in the name of religion?

Yeah, because nothing about this is worrying at all...

[Stalin]

(Original post by tufc)
Well maybe, except this is from a credible source, i.e. the Telegraph.

Pull your head out the sand and recognise the massive threat that Islam poses to Britain.

And what threat is that?

The Muslamic/Iraqi Law imposed throughout the world?

[Abbadon27]

(Original post by superdamn)
you missed my point people will lie to save themselfs thats human , but i would rather die than disown my God that is something i would not do and would gladly die for as many chrstians would , my point is islam is the only relgion to instruct its followers to lie by there god

apart from that this thread is about sharia law not lying

Sorry, I had trouble understanding the first part.

But on the second part, Allah does not "instruct" you too lie. Instruct you mean it they were have to do it in that circumstance. But they don't have to, but they will not be penalized on Judgment Day if they do it a life threatening circumstance. Also Taqiyya is hardly a central or important part of Islam, it was created so that Shi'a would not be persecuted by the ruling Sunni Caliphs. No Abrahamic religions (Christianity, Judaism and Islam) "instruct" you to lie. But they all do allow you to lie in certain circumstances, which is just human and anything otherwise would be silly.

My point was that you were claiming that Muslims that are against Sharia Law were practicing Taqiyya.

[tufc]

(Original post by Stalin)
And what threat is that?

The Muslamic/Iraqi Law imposed throughout the world?

http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show...9&postcount=96

The threats listed there, to name but a few.

[superdamn]

(Original post by Abbadon27)
Sorry, I had trouble understanding the first part.

But on the second part, Allah does not "instruct" you too lie. Instruct you mean it they were have to do it in that circumstance. But they don't have to, but they will not be penalized on Judgment Day if they do it a life treating circumstance. Also Taqiyya is hardly a central or important part of Islam, it was created so that Shi'a would not be persecuted by the ruling Sunni Caliphs. No Abrahamic religions (Christianity, Judaism and Islam) "instruct" you to lie. But they all do allow you to lie in certain circumstances, which is just human and anything otherwise would be silly.

My point was that you were claiming that Muslims that are against Sharia Law were practicing Taqiyya.

i belive they are as muhammed instructs it and the quran instructs feet and hands to be cut off for theft - i know sooo peacefull , all muslims follow muhammed , he is the perfect example - so they must be lying as muahmmed supported sharia law