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US airport checks are state sponsored sexual assault.

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Reply 20
Original post by tleave2000
Full body intimate touching by a complete stranger with a very high degree of coercion.

Not sexual assault? Can you expand on that with reasons?


It's not like we have had people hiding bombs in their underpants is it? :rolleyes:
Reply 21
To be fair, I tend to hide a lot of drugs up my bum - so they're only doing what needs to be done.
Reply 22
Just returned from America, had an excellent molestation filled free time in the airport flying out of America which had me use the word Orwellian more than I'm normally comfortable with. Having some vaguely Socialist texts for some aeroplane reading in my hand luggage probably didn't help things. :holmes:
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OP wouldn't you be a tad annoyed if, mid flight, the person on the next row reaches into their underwear and pulls out a gun or a grenade? I'd much rather people are checked at the airport for these kinds of things. Its as much for your own safety as everyone else on the flights. Though some may feel uncomfortable with their body, calling an airport check sexual assault is a gross hyperbole which belittles real sexual assaults. There is no sexual intent involved.
Reply 24
I'd rather get felt up than blown up, just saying.
They're necessary and non-sexual
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Reply 26
Original post by tleave2000
Your located in Iceland eh? So in order to avoid being "molested" you would be happy to confine yourself to Iceland for the rest of your life? And you think that every other icelander should be too?

The restriction is unreasonable even for people from a larger country like the USA.


Actually, there are two magnificent inventions. One's been around only a couple of decades longer than the plane, the other a few millennia.

They are the motorcar and the boat.

One is applicable to your wanting to get around the States, one is applicable to his being in Iceland.
Reply 27
IF (and hopefully never) she ever gets sexually assaulted, she will never call these checks sexual assault.
Reply 28
Original post by Cornish student
There is no sexual intent involved.


Original post by Welsh Leprecaun
They're necessary and non-sexual
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Touching someone's genitals/erogenous zones has a significant sexual element whether there's sexual intent or not.

Original post by skeanos
IF (and hopefully never) she ever gets sexually assaulted, she will never call these checks sexual assault.


Original post by Cornish student
Though some may feel uncomfortable with their body, calling an airport check sexual assault is a gross hyperbole which belittles real sexual assaults.


I think a lot of people are confused about what constitutes sexual assault. Unwanted touching of genitals/erogenous zones is a form of sexual assault. Certainly there are even more serious forms, but that is certainly one form of it.
Original post by tleave2000
Touching someone's genitals/erogenous zones has a significant sexual element whether there's sexual intent or not.


I disagree and will recycle a previous argument, a gynecologist appointment isnt sexual and yet it can involve shoving all sorts of interesting devices into a vagina. Its like saying all parents are paedophiles because they wipe their kids "sexual organs" when they soil themselves as kids. The cleaning, gynecologist appointment and airport frisking is done without a sexual element.



Original post by tleave2000
I think a lot of people are confused about what constitutes sexual assault. Unwanted touching of genitals/erogenous zones is a form of sexual assault. Certainly there are even more serious forms, but that is certainly one form of it.


Sexual assault is something that you do not consent toward. By accepting the terms and conditions of flying and the airport, you are consenting toward being searched and frisked. The rights of the other 100 passengers to fly safely drastically outweighs the rights of a person who decides they dont want to be searched. If you dont want to be searched then you can opt out and choose not to use their service.

It would be like me saying to someone "If you want me to take you out on a date, you have to sleep with me first" and for that person to turn around and say "I wont sleep with you, it violates my rights but I demand you still take me on a date."
Original post by Tefhel
I just came back from the US, and I didn't have any of that. It was just a regular security check the same as when I went from Gatwick. No full body scanners or inappropriate touching.

Just get over it. Yes it's uncomfortable but it's not like they strip you naked or give you an anal probe.


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Its says in the video that people only go through such a body search if they refuse the full body scan. Why did the woman refuse the body scan ?! If she done the body scan than she probably would have complained to the BBC about airports creating porno scenes out of passengers.
I don't think it's sexual assault at all. I've just come back from America and firstly, you only get the pat down if you refuse the full body scanner, which I don't see why you would as the scans are examined in private and nobody can possibly see the pictures except for the security officers. The people operating the machines don't actually see a thing.
If you did opt for a pat down, surely you are going to expect them to be thorough? You're not just going to think "oh I don't want to go through the scanner, therefore nobody's going to check what's hidden in my bra"
Also, the checks are performed by a same sex member of security and it is also possible to ask for someone such as a family member to be present.
This woman is just begging for attention.
Reply 33
The TSA are absolutely vile. I swear the most difficult, moody and downright unpleasent people are hired by them. Only US Immigration has people who can match their unpleasant attitude.

Look at this disgraceful, state sponsored TSA propaganda from a CHILDREN'S BOOK:

Reply 34
Original post by L i b
To be fair, I tend to hide a lot of drugs up my bum - so they're only doing what needs to be done.


Just for fun, even when you're not leaving the house? :awesome:
Reply 35
Well if she would prefer a potential bomb on the plane I guess it's fine to change it :biggrin:
Reply 36
Yea, there are so many terrorist attacks that occur in America. LOL

You're more likely to die falling down a flight of stairs than in a terrorist attack in America. It's mostly just propaganda so they can justify the laws they introduce for more control, and I'm saying this from the point of view that 911 WASNT an inside job.

How many real attacks have been carried out since 911?
Reply 37
Original post by chrislpp
Yea, there are so many terrorist attacks that occur in America. LOL

You're more likely to die falling down a flight of stairs than in a terrorist attack in America. It's mostly just propaganda so they can justify the laws they introduce for more control, and I'm saying this from the point of view that 911 WASNT an inside job.

How many real attacks have been carried out since 911?


The point of airport security is to be a deterrent against possible terrorists using airplanes for ill. In this regard airport security has been very successful. The lack of terrorist attacks proves that airport security works. Sure, you hear about the story where someone has snuck liquids or knives through security, but it isn't designed to stop every single forbidden object through. It is simply there to make it unreliable for a terrorist to attempt a hijack. The reason we keep seeing greater security is because ways to circumvent airport security are always being devised and need to be countered.
Reply 38
Original post by Willbanks
OK Marc - how about YOUR BUTTHOLE - is that OK too?

HELLO PEOPLE are we in the freakin land of OZ here? YOU WANT the cops to stick their fingers in your butthole or female holes just because they don't like the look of your haircut? Are you serious? Get real. These psychos need to be stopped.

If you think that you could take down a plane by hiding a gun up your butthole then you must be friggin crazy - anyhow the metal detector would go off anyhow - this kind of goverment authorised abuse in TOTALLY SICK and UNJUSTIFIED and should never be carried out unless their is a very serious weight of evidence to suspect someone of hiding a plastic gun made of plastic bullets in their butthole and then maybe it would be justified.


But they're not sticking their fingers up womens buttholes... So what's your point?
Reply 39
How many people smuggling in drugs hide them in their underwear though

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