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Is Africa cursed? People are ALWAYS starving!

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    (Original post by DJkG.1)
    It's hot and dry in the deserts of Arabia... but they managed with irrigation alright. :erm:
    Yeah exactly my point. There is literally nowhere in Arabia to plant food. Most of it is just sand. Africa has land where you can actually grow food.
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    It's none of these reasons: Africa is cursed. Africans are inferior. We don't give enough aid.

    It's a combination of these reaons: The West created landlocked countries that should never even have existed. Imperialism meant countries were forced to export raw materials instead of moving onto manufacturing as was needed for development. The IMF's obsession with trade liberalisation that benefits rich countries more than poor countries. Trade barriers that are too low in certain situations meaning domestic firms are destroyed. Trade barriers that are too high and so lock countries out of international trade. Competition from Asia. Debt. Conflicts and civil wars for a whole variety of reasons. Poor healthcare. Corruption. The list is endless.
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    (Original post by Silver Arrow)
    Seriously WTF? People pretty much evolved on the continent and have survived for thousands of years and in recent times there are just people starving left, right and centre yet the population is still rising. Why isn't there any farming when there's tons of land just sitting there doing nothing?
    You have people in developed countries with grease flowing through their veins while Somalia and it's neighbours slowly turn to corpses in the desert. It's almost like nobody gives a ****.

    EDIT: Is Africa just cursed or something? There are a few highlands where food can be grown. Southern Africa was good for farming. Wine is grown in South Africa but the majority of those profits belong to Europeans. Zimbabwe used to be the bread basket of Africa when Europeans were in power and at one time, it's dollar was worth more than the US$. Now it's just beyond worthless.
    There are tons of minerals just sat in the ground but all are foreign owned and the continent gets poorer by the second.

    When did it all get so FUBAR?

    NEGGING? Just grow up and face the facts. It's ignorance like this that allows people to die recklessly with no remorse shown.
    basically imperialism is still ruining africa.
    they dont need to garrison a nation with armed forces and plant their flag on the land to exploid it and the native people.

    now african leaders are placed in charge and they are corrupt and expected to leave the door open for americans, english, french and who ever europe/"the west " desides is allowed to buy up all the resources and companys that make money off the land.

    you will notice how all the buisness in pretty much every african country are owned by non africans. all the oil companys all the diamond companys even the farming and agriculture is all owned by non africans. wheather those non africans are arabs, whites, or orientals it is still always non africans.

    its like the case in ireland during the famine.
    there was food just the people who owned the land refused to give it and the people who lived on the land died.

    so people are dying due to lack of charity on both a global and local scale and not because there is a TRUE lack of food.

    the local african rulers who are planted by the west are greedy and only care about satisfying the west no matter what the cost to their peoples. if they deside to be fair to their own people and try to help them they get economicly laid seige to and hit with smear campaigns and assassination attempts. this happend with idi amin, robert mugabe and now of course gaddafi who had brought libya from one of the poorest countries in africa to the richest country in africa.

    here is something that should educate you in how this is achieved.


    it is true that the african climate and lack of water does contribute to destabilization of the land. but for example there has been wars over water in africa and egypt has made numerous threats against ethiopia over water.

    so when the land is destabilization due to capital and greedy buisness men playing with peoples life sources such as water like its a toy or a comoditty on a board game of monopoly then people dont have anything to live off on their native lands anymore due to this mass exploitation. the end result is the only people who are able is charitys who give charity which is of course tax deductible.

    but its all complicated and so much so that no one really cares. also its due to this exploitation why we have such a highclass lifestyle overhere and why so many africans are clamouring at the front door of england begging for visas. so would you really give up you lifestyle and eat ****ty food not be able to afford much and all of that just to know that you were saving thousands of lives in africa? probably not. in truth its beneficial for you for them to die because it means less immergrants for you to worrie about.

    with all this orchestrated death, dumping of leathal(toxic, radioactive, chemical) waste, corprative cover-ups and very fishy diseases like aids and ebola which many "conspiricy nuts" are saying are man made it doesnt suprise me that people say there is a conspiricy to destroy the black man. i personally lean towards believing aids and ebola are man made. i lean towards this belief because aids was discoverd in the united states amongst gay men (aids was originally called GRID Gay Related Immune Deficiency) by a soon to be bankrupt company. but aids apparantly came from africa due to a local tribe that drank monkey blood. why aids wasnt picked up in africa long before it arrived in america nobody knows apparantly. also many people experimented under project mk ultra came forward and said they saw the same symptoms of ebola in the test patiants. i also lean towards to the belief because of americas long track record of experimenting on their local black population with various diseases, sterilizing them when they failed IQ tests and other such horrors. Oh yes and its not just black americans, america has a long history of experimenting on its own people with Project MK Ultra, Dropping a Ton of mosquitoes infected with yellow feaver over georgia, spraying people in airports with experimental chemicles, poisning people in the new york subway and thats just the stuff they admit that theyve done to their own people yet alone to continets with no voice or protection that a constently exploited like africa.
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    (Original post by Mick.w)
    basically imperialism is still ruining africa.
    they dont need to garrison a nation with armed forces and plant their flag on the land to exploid it and the native people.

    now african leaders are placed in charge and they are corrupt and expected to leave the door open for americans, english, french and who ever europe/"the west " desides is allowed to buy up all the resources and companys that make money off the land.

    you will notice how all the buisness in pretty much every african country are owned by non africans. all the oil companys all the diamond companys even the farming and agriculture is all owned by non africans. wheather those non africans are arabs, whites, or orientals it is still always non africans.

    its like the case in ireland during the famine.
    there was food just the people who owned the land refused to give it and the people who lived on the land died.

    so people are dying due to lack of charity on both a global and local scale and not because there is a TRUE lack of food.

    the local african rulers who are planted by the west are greedy and only care about satisfying the west no matter what the cost to their peoples. if they deside to be fair to their own people and try to help them they get economicly laid seige to and hit with smear campaigns and assassination attempts. this happend with idi amin, robert mugabe and now of course gaddafi who had brought libya from one of the poorest countries in africa to the richest country in africa.

    here is something that should educate you in how this is achieved.


    it is true that the african climate and lack of water does contribute to destabilization of the land. but for example there has been wars over water in africa and egypt has made numerous threats against ethiopia over water.

    so when the land is destabilization due to capital and greedy buisness men playing with peoples life sources such as water like its a toy or a comoditty on a board game of monopoly then people dont have anything to live off on their native lands anymore due to this mass exploitation. the end result is the only people who are able is charitys who give charity which is of course tax deductible.

    but its all complicated and so much so that no one really cares. also its due to this exploitation why we have such a highclass lifestyle overhere and why so many africans are clamouring at the front door of england begging for visas. so would you really give up you lifestyle and eat ****ty food not be able to afford much and all of that just to know that you were saving thousands of lives in africa? probably not. in truth its beneficial for you for them to die because it means less immergrants for you to worrie about.
    Wow that's very interesting stuff. There's a book about that on Amazon which looks like a great read.

    It's truly disgusting that a few minority get to play with people's lives like toys and drop them whenever they're bored. It all makes the whole world seem like a bleak misreable place and life as a pointless waste of time!
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    Meh, sub-saharan africa didn't actually have a written language till the arabs showed up and started taking them home.
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    Why should Europeans care?

    Africans demanded we leave, so we left.

    That they have reverted back to the social conditions they had before Europe arrived, despite access to European technology (mobile phones etc) says a lot about African culture.

    There is a lack of banding together at a level that would allow villagers to invest in improvements and repulse attacks by raiders/bandits. This is caused by their cherished little tribes.

    Also a lot of African problems are caused by population densities. When you have countries the size of western europe with only a handful of million people inhabiting them, they will never be rich. Many of the worlds richest areas are located with easy access to the sea. 80% of Americans live on the coasts. Look at a map of Europe...we are a pensulia with easy access to the sea everywhere....the Japanese have similar benefits and the main developing areas in China are on the coast or located on the big inland rivers. The sea is something that is often overlooked as an asset for an area, it basically gives you extremely cheap transportation costs to the vast majority of humanity.

    On the positive side for African agriculture, Asian demand and investments will force higher output and better usage of natural resources in Africa. Except it will all be exported to Asian mouths instead of African ones. If we look at where China was 50 years ago and where many African states were when they gained their independance at the same time........it was a race that was there for Africa to lose and it has lost.
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    (Original post by RyanT)
    Why should Europeans care?

    Africans demanded we leave, so we left.

    That they have reverted back to the social conditions they had before Europe arrived, despite access to European technology (mobile phones etc) says a lot about African culture.

    There is a lack of banding together at a level that would allow villagers to invest in improvements and repulse attacks by raiders/bandits. This is caused by their cherished little tribes.

    Also a lot of African problems are caused by population densities. When you have countries the size of western europe with only a handful of million people inhabiting them, they will never be rich. Many of the worlds richest areas are located with easy access to the sea. 80% of Americans live on the coasts. Look at a map of Europe...we are a pensulia with easy access to the sea everywhere....the Japanese have similar benefits and the main developing areas in China are on the coast or located on the big inland rivers. The sea is something that is often overlooked as an asset for an area, it basically gives you extremely cheap transportation costs to the vast majority of humanity.

    On the positive side for African agriculture, Asian demand and investments will force higher output and better usage of natural resources in Africa. Except it will all be exported to Asian mouths instead of African ones. If we look at where China was 50 years ago and where many African states were when they gained their independance at the same time........it was a race that was there for Africa to lose and it has lost.
    Considering the average sub-saharan african has an IQ between 60 and 75 (which is medically retarded) , what chance do they have of developing beneficial cultures?
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    (Original post by jamesman13)
    global warming lol jk its because they keep breeding and so they have more children than they can afford to feed. give aid and more people survive to have more children than they can afford to feed and so they continue to multiply exponentially and so more children die. people who give aid kill children.
    Finally somebody who speaks sense.
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    (Original post by Bonged.)
    Considering the average sub-saharan african has an IQ between 60 and 75 (which is medically retarded) , what chance do they have of developing beneficial cultures?
    It's true these people are genetically distinct from non-Africans in a way that I don't think most people appreciate. One group of Africans left the continent to populate the rest of the world with homo sapiens sapiens. They left behind 11 other groups of modern humans in Africa who are as genetically distinct from each other as they are to all non-Africans. Whilst the successes of Asia and Europe is no surprise as both are reasonably closely related, expecting Africa to be successful on the same level by default* because of Eurasian success is a fallacy because they are fundamentally different at a genetic level.

    Whether this genetic gulf is related to lower IQs in Africa is not really in question I don't think, although the figures you have seem a bit exaggerated. I've seen closer to averages of 85-90 with studies of Africans (sub-saharan). When these people are so different to the rest of us on the outside, we should expect some differences to also be present under the bonnet. We should also bear in mind that persistant malnutrition and infection of parasites can lower IQ.

    The genetic gulf is probably a factor, but only one of many. You said what chance do they have of developing a beneficial culture, perhaps it is not just the IQ difference in the genetics that is preventing it. Higher aggression levels in the general populace can cause groups to begin splintering at a small aggregate size than societies with lower aggression levels. This will rob them of larger meta-cultural regions which enchance cultural development.

    *I'm not saying they can't be successful, just presuming it is a bit strong.
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    (Original post by damilola)
    i am looking forward to a lot of racist and very ignorant comments here.:cookie:
    so enlighten us!
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    It's not cursed, More the fact they aren't a forward thinking set of people, For example: Blacks slaughter white farmers in Zimbabwe then complain when they have no food, This is the intelligence of these people.
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    Africa is not cursed, its full of sub saharan Africans. The whites turned around African states they inhabitated such as South Africa, Rhodesia, Nigeria etc.
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    waiting untill someone brings up the slave trade.:cookie:
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    (Original post by RyanT)
    Why should Europeans care?

    Africans demanded we leave, so we left.
    You stirred up a lot of **** before you left though
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    It's not a curse it's just logic.

    If you try to farm a desert you won't have any food.
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    No, they are not cursed.

    Its a heck of alot more to do with the IQ and intelligence of the people living thier. The brain capacity, and average IQ's of black africans in Africa (and in the western world), is way, way behind other races.

    That isnt racist, its a fact.

    Sure, they lack resources. They lack resources because they did not have the knowledge to know-how to use them to prosper themselves before others did. They allowed themselves to be enslaved, and they sold off each other to the slave traders. Yes, black africans captured, and sold off, thier own kind to the slave traders. You dont hear much about that though do you?

    It is not the 'white mans fault'. It is thier own fault because they continue to have far too many babies, which they know they cannot feed, and they continue to refuse to wear condoms, and refuse to understand the threat of HIV.

    Yes, the landscape doesnt help to grow food, but if they stopped having so many children, they wouldnt have so many mouths to feed.

    You can pump as much money as you want to Africa, the curruption, crime, and general lack of intelligence and IQ that they have, will ensure it makes no difference.

    Some will not like the above and call it 'racist'.

    Look at this country, look at America. Look at the crime statistics, education statistics, and welfare statistics for black people. There is a reason for that.

    Genetically, some races are less intelligent that others. A simple and true fact that liberals dont want to admit.
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    Because of a mad juju spell innit.
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    (Original post by A_Rose)
    so enlighten us!
    read the whole thread, I don't have the time or patience.

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