[sucess]

The Cold War is over! The Soviet Union collapsed and the Warsaw Pact was disbanded. That should've been the end of the story for NATO, as its raison d'etre was gone.

At this point NATO is just a tool for the US, as a way of getting around the UN.

The argument that the Afghan mission is a test of NATO's relevance is bull****. If anything, when the Afghan mission fails, it will simply be another nail in NATO's coffin

P.s even though im from USA i hate nato

[sucess]

When nato kill people-it is democracy, but when people kill nato -it is terrorism!

[Aj12]

Good for you, but more military cooperation between nations is a good thing. The cold war between the USSR and West may be over but an emerging China and to a much lesser extent Russia require a counter balance.

[mbranson]

(Original post by Aj12)
Good for you, but more military cooperation between nations is a good thing. The cold war between the USSR and West may be over but an emerging China and to a much lesser extent Russia require a counter balance.

It may be that china is the emerging counter balance to the us. The us exerts too much control over other countries.
It would be nice if NATO did purely exist for military cooperation.

[Aj12]

(Original post by mbranson)
It may be that china is the emerging counter balance to the us. The us exerts too much control over other countries.
It would be nice if NATO did purely exist for military cooperation.

So does CHina though, China is just far less obvious about it. Some of the things they are doing in countries is just plain disgusting. Promising Infrastructure in return for oil contracts then doing absolutely nothing and sucking the country dry of cash

[sucess]

(Original post by Aj12)
So does CHina though, China is just far less obvious about it. Some of the things they are doing in countries is just plain disgusting. Promising Infrastructure in return for oil contracts then doing absolutely nothing and sucking the country dry of cash

they're actually fulfilling their promises e.g. Brazil, Venezuela, Kenya

[Jenny_Jazz]

Sure NATO is about the future not just the past. As in future threats to the west

[Aj12]

(Original post by sucess)
they're actually fulfilling their promises e.g. Brazil, Venezuela, Kenya

No they really aren't. Go look at what China is currently doing in Angola. They buy piss cheap oil in return for infrastructure that they never build

[mbranson]

(Original post by Aj12)
No they really aren't. Go look at what China is currently doing in Angola. They buy piss cheap oil in return for infrastructure that they never build

Where did you read this, I would like to know more if this is true

[Aj12]

(Original post by mbranson)
Where did you read this, I would like to know more if this is true

Not really the Chinese government but a Chinese conglomerate

http://www.economist.com/node/21525847

Same as American companies really.

[James10000]

(Original post by mbranson)
Where did you read this, I would like to know more if this is true

China actually shares technology with African Countries
Something western companies never do


Also Chinese aid is alot more targeted,western aid comes with all sorts of conditions and over heads

http://webarchive.nationalarchives.g...dev-africa.pdf

[A.galloway]

(Original post by Aj12)
Not really the Chinese government but a Chinese conglomerate

http://www.economist.com/node/21525847

Same as American companies really.

That's, messed up promising to pay for infrastructure then firing every one but the cook - then making them pay for it themselves.,

[Aj12]

(Original post by A.galloway)
That's, messed up promising to pay for infrastructure then firing every one but the cook - then making them pay for it themselves.,

China for you, many eople think they are somehow different to the American companies but really they are both the same

[concubine]

(Original post by Aj12)
No they really aren't. Go look at what China is currently doing in Angola. They buy piss cheap oil in return for infrastructure that they never build

*waves flag*