[richardp2020]

This is just a personal opinion, but I think it would do a lot of good for them to be more open about the scores. I think it would be beneficial to let people know their score when they receive it and how many points above/below last years pass score it is. Something like:
'Dear Mr. X you got 17.03 its in your recent FSAC today, based on last years scores you are 0.03 points above the threshold needed to pass.'
and then a disclaimer saying nothing is set in stone.

[TomDixie]

Just read my report, very interesting stuff. No surprises with what they believe my relative strengths and weaknesses are, I happen to agree with them!

Anyway, for the benefit of all those reading the thread next year and trying to work out where they're at, I scored 17.36. Good luck in 2013

[ellie_flower]

(Original post by TomDixie)
Just read my report, very interesting stuff. No surprises with what they believe my relative strengths and weaknesses are, I happen to agree with them!

Anyway, for the benefit of all those reading the thread next year and trying to work out where they're at, I scored 17.36. Good luck in 2013

How do you get to see it? also from reading previous thrwads i thought 17+ was meant to be amazing ie. HoP/DS? well, at least immediate pass...?

[richardp2020]

I'm not sure about HoP, but I'm sure the pass score for DS is high 18s/low 19s. 17 was for CDs

[lm222]

These were posted earlier as indicative of where you need to be looking for each scheme (although as the poster indicates, things may well ahve changed a bit, e.g. EFS now being a separate scheme, etc.)

(Original post by auga)
Got this from thread in 2010, I think:

CD:
Lowest pass - 17.25


HR:
Lowest pass - 16.90


TiB:
Lowest pass - 15.74


DS:
Lowest pass - 19.44


EFS:
Lowest pass - 17.97


HoP
Lowest pass - 17.97


GES
Lowest Pass - 16.37

Not sure how representative it is + things might have changed since then. 2011 thread also mentioned a CD passmark being between 16.91 and 17.09, and a HoP pass of 17.87

[TomDixie]

(Original post by ellie_flower)
How do you get to see it? also from reading previous thrwads i thought 17+ was meant to be amazing ie. HoP/DS? well, at least immediate pass...?

Click on view results, fsac report is at the bottom of the page.

17+ is CD, close to 18 for HoP.

[ellie_flower]

(Original post by TomDixie)
Click on view results, fsac report is at the bottom of the page.

17+ is CD, close to 18 for HoP.

I dont have it???? does everybody have it yet or is it just those who did it reall early? Thanks

[rach2012]

(Original post by ellie_flower)
I dont have it???? does everybody have it yet or is it just those who did it reall early? Thanks

I don't think time you attended fsac has anything to do with it as I did mine on 12th Jan but still awaiting

[monthen]

If it's any consolation, Ellie, I don't have mine either. Having said that, I'm still awaiting results for EFS DS, so that could be why.

My understanding is that around 15 EFSers are taken on each year, and that there may be 8-10 who are successful at FSAC, but who are not offered a job. I don't particularly like those odds, I have to say, but I suppose if I'm still in the running for EFS DS after all these narrowings, I am likely to have scored highly enough to be in with a good chance.

I may be misinterpreting my own situation, but I hope that the figures above are helpful (they are reliable).


PS: I wonder if this part of the process is to test competency number 7: inexhaustible reserves of patience....

[lm222]

(Original post by monthen)
If it's any consolation, Ellie, I don't have mine either. Having said that, I'm still awaiting results for EFS DS, so that could be why.

My understanding is that around 15 EFSers are taken on each year, and that there may be 8-10 who are successful at FSAC, but who are not offered a job. I don't particularly like those odds, I have to say, but I suppose if I'm still in the running for EFS DS after all these narrowings, I am likely to have scored highly enough to be in with a good chance.

I may be misinterpreting my own situation, but I hope that the figures above are helpful (they are reliable).


PS: I wonder if this part of the process is to test competency number 7: inexhaustible reserves of patience....

Interested to hear where these figures come from. I know the recent Fast Stream newsletter said on average, 15 EFS people are taken each year, but I haven't come across the 8-10 extra anywhere.


I've also had conflicting reports of what makes up the final sift for EFS - if it's just a check you have one of the languages, meet the nationality requirement, and then the top FSAC people go through, or if its a more widespread language capability check, nationality check, and then a look at all your scores (i.e. eTray and SHL tests as well). Communication on the EFS scheme isn't great, gotta say.

[Memento Mori]

For the schemes with FSBs, does anyone know whether the final decision is made solely on the FSB, or whether they take your FSAC score into account?

[monthen]

(Original post by lm222)
Interested to hear where these figures come from. I know the recent Fast Stream newsletter said on average, 15 EFS people are taken each year, but I haven't come across the 8-10 extra anywhere.


I've also had conflicting reports of what makes up the final sift for EFS - if it's just a check you have one of the languages, meet the nationality requirement, and then the top FSAC people go through, or if its a more widespread language capability check, nationality check, and then a look at all your scores (i.e. eTray and SHL tests as well). Communication on the EFS scheme isn't great, gotta say.

Agreed. I got those figures directly from Cabinet Office. I won't post the full email, but those figures are the most relevant part, and I assumed that EFS wouldn't mind me sharing them.

I'm still a little unclear on exactly what's involved in the sift process myself. I know that online test markings form a part of it, as that's indicative as to your chances of success in the concours.

My understanding is that they only require a language check if they cannot verify your skills on a paper basis. As for the other scores they take into account:

There are a limited number of European Fast Stream places available. We will check your application to ensure that you meet the language requirement. We will then complete a paper sift based on your online test scores, your FSAC score and language skills. We will be in touch to let you know the outcome. Once the European Fast Streamers have been selected, no other options will be available in the scheme for unsuccessful candidates.

So it seems to me that it's entirely possible that a candidate with good FSAC scores could not be offered a job if, say, they have A-level French, and all other good candidates have degree-level. This concerns me, but there's nothing I can do about it now.

On the plus side, of everyone who applied for EFS, only around 25 (going on previous figures) are successful at FSAC, so I suppose that's something.

Hope this is helpful, but don't take it as gospel!

[lm222]

(Original post by monthen)
Agreed. I got those figures directly from Cabinet Office. I won't post the full email, but those figures are the most relevant part, and I assumed that EFS wouldn't mind me sharing them.

I'm still a little unclear on exactly what's involved in the sift process myself. I know that online test markings form a part of it, as that's indicative as to your chances of success in the concours.

My understanding is that they only require a language check if they cannot verify your skills on a paper basis. As for the other scores they take into account:



So it seems to me that it's entirely possible that a candidate with good FSAC scores could not be offered a job if, say, they have A-level French, and all other good candidates have degree-level. This concerns me, but there's nothing I can do about it now.

On the plus side, of everyone who applied for EFS, only around 25 (going on previous figures) are successful at FSAC, so I suppose that's something.

Hope this is helpful, but don't take it as gospel!

Helpful, but worrying! Especially the indication they might look for more-than-A-levels for the language ability.

Do you know if they look at your application form?

[monthen]

I'm really not sure, to tell you the truth.

I just suspect that, if they can't separate candidates any other way, then the respective levels of language ability may be a deciding factor. I could be wrong on that, but it seems a fair inference.

Roll on 'early April'....

[lm222]

(Original post by monthen)
then the respective levels of language ability may be a deciding factor. I could be wrong on that, but it seems a fair inference.

Roll on 'early April'....

That would be so frustrating! Having sat the Concours this year (I failed at the final assessment centre, by a few marks), it doesn't really need anything beyond A-levels.

Also what's early April? Finding out if you have an FSB?

[Gales]

Random question (someone who's clueless and would like to try this when I'm finishing my degree). Do you apply in the final year of your degree, or after you've graduated?

[richardp2020]

You can apply almost any time (I'm 31!), but the earliest you can apply is the final year of your degree course. The deadline is usually November, so really you need to be getting ready as soon as you head back to university after summer

[F6053721]

(Original post by Gales)
Random question (someone who's clueless and would like to try this when I'm finishing my degree). Do you apply in the final year of your degree, or after you've graduated?

Either. If your still completing your degree I think they ask for expected grade.

I applied after I'd finished my degree but I'd been working in civil service for 2 years and decided I wanted to try fast stream.

This is my second attempt at getting through.

[Frances101]

I wanted to say to everyone who is not successful this year but plans on reapplying to really read through the report and make sure that you act on what they suggest. I was unsuccessful last year for CD with 16.7 and found out I passed for CD today with 18.4 :-D I really worked on what was suggested in the report and it makes a massive difference second time. Good luck!

[rach2012]

Sick of seeing this daily, think I've just failed competency number 7

(Original post by monthen)
PS: I wonder if this part of the process is to test competency number 7: inexhaustible reserves of patience....