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im my opinion the greatest speech of all time is

I must say I love Shylock's "Hath not a Jew eyes" it moves me every time, perhaps because of the whole context of the play.

http://lyricsheaven.topcities.com/survey_a_c_bestanden/Baz_Luhrman.htm

That's the sunscreen speech - it DID make me laugh when I heard it.

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Saf!

jammyd

I liked Kennedy's...

"And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you- ask what you can do for your country.

My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man."

Martin Luther King's speech was great though.

in don't like that......not because it's bad..but because it's so untrue.....in my opinion america takes away freedom

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jammyd

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Saf!

in don't like that......not because it's bad..but because it's so untrue.....in my opinion america takes away freedom

Perhaps, but it was made in 1961, just before the height of the cold war, and the Vietnam war. So the US promulgation of democracy was vastly important.

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Saf!

anyone know where i can read the speech "i have a dream".......i've never read

Reply 24

jammyd

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Brace yourself

http://www.quoteland.com/library/speeches/dream.asp

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Saf!

jammyd

Brace yourself

http://www.quoteland.com/library/speeches/dream.asp

thanx!

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Howard

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Saf!

in don't like that......not because it's bad..but because it's so untrue.....in my opinion america takes away freedom

Yeh.....sure. At home and away America "takes away freedom"

Some friends of mine were recently suspected of being potential Democrats and were turned in to Orange Country Sherriff's Department (Political Unit) by some envious neighbours.

There came a rap on the door in the early morning hours and before they knew what happened they were bundled into the back of a van.

The next few weeks were spent in a political re-education center just outside of Sacramento where they were brutalized, raped, and had their tongues cut out so never to talk of freedom again.

Terrible country, America.

But what's even worse are all those American death camps in Iraq. Women and children being starved to death and used for medical experiments. Truly horrid.

Reply 27

Dickie

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Helenia

...Anyway, back to real life - I'd say some of Churchill's speeches in the war "We will fight them on the beaches..." "...If the British Empire last a thousand years, men will still say 'This was their finest hour.' "

that is such a good speach. It's on quoteland too.

also, has anyone seen the trailer for BF1942 with that speech in it? so brilliant

Reply 28

llama boy

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Howard

Yeh.....sure. At home and away America "takes away freedom"

Some friends of mine were recently suspected of being potential Democrats and were turned in to Orange Country Sherriff's Department (Political Unit) by some envious neighbours.

Some friends of mine were recently accused of being libertarian socialists on a US university campus.

The group was disbanded and they were all expelled.

Aside from specific examples, however, your post is spurious in the extreme. So what? You've proved that America doesn't overtly reach the depths of depravity that some other countries do. And? It's not as if that disproves the original point that was made.

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G4ry

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Kennedy's "ich bin ein berliner" is one of the best :tongue:

Definitely one of Martin Luther king's speeches.

Reply 30

Howard

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llama boy

Some friends of mine were recently accused of being libertarian socialists on a US university campus.

The group was disbanded and they were all expelled.

Aside from specific examples, however, your post is spurious in the extreme. So what? You've proved that America doesn't overtly reach the depths of depravity that some other countries do. And? It's not as if that disproves the original point that was made.

No, my post was a mild attempt at humor.

On the other hand, your post shows you are politically illiterate. By definition there's no such thing as libertarian socialism. Duh!

Reply 31

llama boy

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Howard

No, my post was a mild attempt at humour.

On the other hand, your post shows you are politically illiterate. By definition there's no such thing as libertarian socialism. Duh!

Dear, oh dear.

Go read this, and try not to appear quite so ignorant next time.

Edited to say: yes, no doubt the 1m people killed in Indonesia, the 4m in Vietnam, etc, will be appreciative of your humour regarding american "freedom".

Not to mention, of course, the sufferers of US puppet Pinochet in Chile. Apparently, his favourite interrogation method was to play tapes of the interviewee's wife being raped by dogs.

Lovely.

Reply 32

Howard

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llama boy

Dear, oh dear.

Go read this, and try not to appear quite so ignorant next time.

Edited to say: yes, no doubt the 1m people killed in Indonesia, the 4m in Vietnam, etc, will be appreciative of your humour regarding american "freedom".

Not to mention, of course, the sufferers of US puppet Pinochet in Chile. Apparently, his favourite interrogation method was to play tapes of the interviewee's wife being raped by dogs.

Lovely.

Oh dear oh dear indeed. First time I've ever heard anarchism referred to as libertarian socialism I must say. What brilliant mind put that poor attempt at political nomenclature together?

I once read somewhere that if an infinate number of monkeys were given an infinate number of typewriters one of them, sooner or later, would write the complete works of Shakespeare.

The problem with the www is that it's a bit like trawling through all the other scripts isn't it? And your problem is that you read and accept every script you read.

Simply, Libertarians believe in such things as the power of the free market, absolute freedom of speech, and the minimization of the role of Government.

Socialists, on the other hand, have a broadly opposite agenda.

Now, just because somebody that we've never heard of posts something on the web saying that "Libertarian Socialism" is sometimes referred to as "Anarchy" doesn't make it so does it? Who is this genius that you rely upon?

I'll encourage you to start to think for yourself in future. You'll enjoy debate so much more when you don't need to rely on google searches.

I'll consider you childlike ramblings on Vietnam and Pinochet shortly.

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llama boy

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Howard

Oh dear oh dear indeed. First time I've ever heard anarchism referred to as libertarian socialism I must say.

Quite. And that is the first time I've heard someone attempt to win an argument by citing their own ignorance.

What brilliant mind put that poor attempt at political nomenclature together?

Kropotkin. The term has also been carried on by the likes of Chomsky. Perhaps you'd like to email him with your monkey/typewriter comparison? I'm sure he'd be only too keen to bow to your greater political understanding.

Simply, Libertarians believe in such things as the power of the free market, absolute freedom of speech, and the minimisation of the role of Government.

"Libertarian" in the traditional sense means freedom from constraint (ie the state). What you describe is arguably a form of libertarianism, yet it adds to the definition an ideological belief of human nature as naturally selfish (therefore people will compete rather than co-operate, therefore there will be a "market"). This could reasonably be described as "libertarian capitalism". "Libertarian socialism", however, has the same premise (ie lack of state), but believes that in a stateless scenario, people would co-operate to form a socialist society. (ergo "libertarian socialism, or "anarchism").

Socialists, on the other hand, have a broadly opposite agenda.

Only if you assume the same point about human nature again (ie that socialism is only possible through state interference). Libertarian socialists would contend otherwise.

What might be helpful here is the political compass. It helps to see there are two different measures of a political position, left/right and libertarian/authoritarian. The position you described was right/libertarian, "libertarian socialism" is left/libertarian.

Now, just because somebody that we've never heard of posts something on the web saying that "Libertarian Socialism" is sometimes referred to as "Anarchy" doesn't make it so does it?

Nope, and I don't recall ever saying it does.

See, the thing is, it isn't just one person posting something on the web, "libertarian socialism" is the absolute heart of anarchism, and anyone who understands the doctrine will see that.

Furthermore, your baseless insinuations about the commonness of the phrase (all the great anarchist thinkers, not to mention the vast majority of anarchists themselves, have used/do use it), not to mention the insinuations about my own political understanding (surprisingly enough, just because I post a link to another site rather than explaining the point myself, it does not mean that a) i believe everything i read or b) i am incapable of thinking for myself) are really really bog standard.

Of course, I wouldn't expect you to agree with libertarian socialism for a second, however you really should attempt to understand its existence and coherence as an ideology.

Reply 34

hitchhiker_13

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piginapoke

The one that went into the song Everybody's Free (To Wear Sunscreen).

Can't remember who did it.

I think it was Baz Luhrmann?
Correct me if I'm terribly wrong.

Reply 35

Danithestudent

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hitchhiker_13

I think it was Baz Luhrmann?
Correct me if I'm terribly wrong.

It was indeed, the creator of Moulin Rouge and "teabagging"

Reply 36

claire1985

love_4_ducks

i think its the
'i have a dream' by martin luther king

There is evidence to show this speech was copied from some other minor civil rights campaigner who lived about 50yrs before King, only in parts was it copied but none the less King shouldn't get all the praise for it. I was reading this in Historical Review journal one time, can't remember what volume or anything but I read it last June before my AS Civil Rights exam

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Vienna

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Howard

What? You got the "impression" that I bring Hitler into every thread? How odd.

howard, alot of ppl here operate on a 'accuse first, facts later' basis as you well know. i can see that you have already employed the rather useful method of demanding evidence. upon which their comments scatter like ashes in the wind.

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curryADD

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love_4_ducks

i think its the
'i have a dream' by martin luther king

i would have to agree.....did you happen to know that (if you've seen/heard the WHOLE speech) the part when he starts saying all the i have a dreams is improv.