[original_username]

(Original post by Jordan_1)
Not really, we're in a Call of Duty thread, therefore his 'joke' about my comment was going to be liked. Typical Call of Duty gamers, aren't very bright although you did pay for a game which is exactly the same as the one before lol

N'awww we've found a widdle Battlefield fan boy.

[NDGAARONDI]

(Original post by mau5)
Yeah I'll get on tomorrow after the Barca game. Tried earlier but kept getting the servers down messages again.

Damn. I sometimes get that and I have no idea why. Usually I get back straight into a game after trying again right after the message. I'll assume this is on Sky Sports so I won't be watching but I try to get some practice before joining you and Sam so I don't get any BS deaths.

(Original post by Sam Walters)
Its alright, i had a constant spate of shouting **** off in an elevated pitch at my television. So i gave it a mis for the night.

Another night?

Sure! I'm sure the odd bullet has disappeared when using the MK14. Being a semi-automatic I can do without missing bullets due to lag or whatever. Sometimes it takes more than three bullets to kill someone and I'm not sure it's supposed to be that many given that in hardcore mode I think it's only one bullet from what I've read.

[Jordan_1]

(Original post by original_username)
N'awww we've found a widdle Battlefield fan boy.

I don't play Battlefield and never have. I just got sick of Call of Duty.

[kuks]

(Original post by Jordan_1)
I don't play Battlefield and never have. I just got sick of sucked at Call of Duty.

Fixed that for you

[Jordan_1]

(Original post by kuks)
Fixed that for you

lol no. I know you won't believe me but I was better than most at Call of Duty. As my K/d and W/l ratio will have showed you in every COD since number 4...

[jit987]

(Original post by Jordan_1)
lol no. I know you won't believe me but I was better than most at Call of Duty. As my K/d and W/l ratio will have showed you in every COD since number 4...

Yeah, we believe you

[NDGAARONDI]

I swear the copy and paste criticism is only directed at COD. I used to play FIFA, PGA, Motorstorm 3 and Need For Speed and they're worse at it IMO.

It would be great if the story lines were based on current political issues, such as the Assad regime. But I have a feeling the developers won't touch that in case countries who are bum chums with Syria will ban it, and thus reduce sales. Or I could play as a soldier of 156 Provost Company (they're Para trained so the developers might feel they have 'appeal') and evacuate British citizens out of Lebanon and Israel in the game copying the war that took place between those two countries in 2006. Not sure if the fans would like that though, since it moves away from the obvious war topics (essentially WW2 and the Cold War).

[mau5]

(Original post by kuks)
Fixed that for you

[Sam Walters]

(Original post by Jordan_1)
Not really, we're in a Call of Duty thread, therefore his 'joke' about my comment was going to be liked. Typical Call of Duty gamers, aren't very bright although you did pay for a game which is exactly the same as the one before lol

I didnt buy black ops only mw2. However i didnt play it much, didnt like it.

Gave mw3 a shot as it was a punt at 40 quid. Turns out i quite like it.

Does that make me a non-typical mw3 gamer other then im **** at the game?

[mau5]

(Original post by NDGAARONDI)
I swear the copy and paste criticism is only directed at COD. I used to play FIFA, PGA, Motorstorm 3 and Need For Speed and they're worse at it IMO.

It would be great if the story lines were based on current political issues, such as the Assad regime. But I have a feeling the developers won't touch that in case countries who are bum chums with Syria will ban it, and thus reduce sales. Or I could play as a soldier of 156 Provost Company (they're Para trained so the developers might feel they have 'appeal') and evacuate British citizens out of Lebanon and Israel in the game copying the war that took place between those two countries in 2006. Not sure if the fans would like that though, since it moves away from the obvious war topics (essentially WW2 and the Cold War).

Just realised you might not of had your notifications on, but I had sent you a message saying my headset died and I was shooting off after the fallen game which is why I disappeared.

Good games though, first time in a while I've not raged quit a TDM.

[Tabris]

(Original post by Jordan_1)
although you did pay for a game which is exactly the same as the one before lol

This pretty much applies to the vast majority FPS sequels out there.

The only reason why people, such as yourself, complain about it nowadays is because of the massive amounts of media and market saturation and parroting that this allows for, compared to the relatively lesser amount of discussion and popularity that FPS games had 10-15 years ago.

Anyone with any experience of FPS games could tell you that sequels tend to be iterative, rather than innovative; so changes, fixes and such are usually subtle between releases. But when the media tells you that it's the exact same game, people turn in to parrots and repeat it again and again as if it is gospel.

Welcome to the world of video games.

[Jordan_1]

(Original post by Tabris)
This pretty much applies to the vast majority FPS sequels out there.

The only reason why people, such as yourself, complain about it nowadays is because of the massive amounts of media and market saturation and parroting that this allows for, compared to the relatively lesser amount of discussion and popularity that FPS games had 10-15 years ago.

Anyone with any experience of FPS games could tell you that sequels tend to be iterative, rather than innovative; so changes, fixes and such are usually subtle between releases. But when the media tells you that it's the exact same game, people turn in to parrots and repeat it again and again as if it is gospel.

Welcome to the world of video games.

Just no. I don't know if you realised this but Modern Warfare 2 felt like a completely different game to Call of Duty 4. Black Ops was felt like a completely different game to WAW.

MW3 on the other hand is just a carbon copy of MW2 and you know it. Pretty sure no one complained about the other Call of duties being too similar till this game?

Plus what the hell are you talking about? The media tells you that it's a whole new game if anything, I think someone's been living under a rock

[Jordan_1]

(Original post by NDGAARONDI)
I swear the copy and paste criticism is only directed at COD. I used to play FIFA, PGA, Motorstorm 3 and Need For Speed and they're worse at it IMO.

It would be great if the story lines were based on current political issues, such as the Assad regime. But I have a feeling the developers won't touch that in case countries who are bum chums with Syria will ban it, and thus reduce sales. Or I could play as a soldier of 156 Provost Company (they're Para trained so the developers might feel they have 'appeal') and evacuate British citizens out of Lebanon and Israel in the game copying the war that took place between those two countries in 2006. Not sure if the fans would like that though, since it moves away from the obvious war topics (essentially WW2 and the Cold War).

I agree that Need for Speed got worse and worse, couldn't talk about Motorstorm... but you can't bring up Sport related games and expect them to change dramatically, that's just stupid.

[NDGAARONDI]

(Original post by Jordan_1)
I agree that Need for Speed got worse and worse, couldn't talk about Motorstorm... but you can't bring up Sport related games and expect them to change dramatically, that's just stupid.

What £40 for squad changes? It's more to do with how short the shelf life for online multiplayer makes it worse than COD's copy and paste releases. Even after one year you're done over by excessive lag with FIFA. Also, a lot of courses in PGA become DLC in future releases, such as CC Firestone. But with FIFA it depends what you mean by dramatic changes. The older FIFAs never recognised bodychecks as being fouls. Now they do but they don't award a yellow card for it. Plus it's only until FIFA 11 (I think) that rage quitters get penalised and the winning player now does not lose his/her match winnings. And I swear FIFA uses poor quality dye or discs because I've known a lot of people to have their copy scratched more but all other titles, including some that are played much more, are fine to run and are more or less scratch free.

Motorstorm 3 just copied another racing game by having destructible environments that can happen remotely. Unfortunately, they didn't work on the quality of the sound so it was rather uninspiring.

Edit: Oh yeah, PGA made TPC Sawgrass a course only available by DLC in one version I had. All the courses get rotated round in being DLC or in-game so if you enjoy a course like TPC Sawgrass and play online, then you have to buy it if it's not in game, or play it against a friend locally. That's pretty much copy and paste in its easiest form.

[NDGAARONDI]

(Original post by mau5)
Just realised you might not of had your notifications on, but I had sent you a message saying my headset died and I was shooting off after the fallen game which is why I disappeared.

Good games though, first time in a while I've not raged quit a TDM.

Yeah I forgot to change that too. I figured your mic was gone when I said I wasn't going to steal any of your packages from the Osprey but I took one as an enemy was about to hijack a crate.

[Tabris]

(Original post by Jordan_1)
Just no. I don't know if you realised this but Modern Warfare 2 felt like a completely different game to Call of Duty 4. Black Ops was felt like a completely different game to WAW.

MW3 on the other hand is just a carbon copy of MW2 and you know it. Pretty sure no one complained about the other Call of duties being too similar till this game?

Plus what the hell are you talking about? The media tells you that it's a whole new game if anything, I think someone's been living under a rock

I'm saying the media allows for it With all the media outlets and places for discussion nowadays, such as YouTube, the numerous game news websites, forums, etc. Parroting opinions propagate much farther than they did before.

And no. MW3 is quite different from MW2. The fact that you think that MW3 is an identical clone to MW2 only shows that you're parroting popular opinions that have risen over the last year when some fans have finally began to start getting sick of the franchise.

MW3's maps tend even more towards CQC environments, often using tight alleyways with narrow, unclear and short lines of sight rather than open areas than you were more likely to find in MW or MW2. While MW was more open, MW3 is rather tight, MW2 was a blend of the two. Verticality was also a huge part of MW2's map design, with a lot of maps featuring at least 3 levels, whereas the most lengths MW3 maps go to, IIRC, is just having 2 floors and maybe a hill so that it gives the impression of more verticality. Map design alone changes how a game feels, massively, as any Battlefield fan could attest to if they'd played BF1942, 2 and then compared it to BF3, where map design has massively changed and opinions of the franchise with it.

Weapons are completely different in MW3 to MW2. For starters, they have a higher damage output than previous games, on average; but are a lot less accurate than the lasers from MW2. That changes how weapons feel and react, completely. This is slightly masked by the relatively low TtK in CoD games, but there is a big difference.

Emphasis on killstreaks changed massively. While they were all conquering engines of destruction in MW2, things aren't nearly so in MW3.

Not to mention perks being toned down from the OTT ones that were had in MW2.

I haven't played MW3 for months and I can quite easily tell you that from the top of my head.

And plenty of people have been complaining about CoD being a generic year-in, year-out, point and shoot, FPS franchise for years now. You may not be aware of it, but the sentiments have been like that for a long time. It's only people who've been getting into FPS games within the last 5-6 years who've only started realising it for MW3.

Tell me, what makes MW3 a carbon copy of MW2? Other than lifting a few assets and models from previous games, because they're mainly aesthetic and have little affect on overall gameplay.

Edit: If you want to make a complaint about CoD, if anything, it should be about the core gameplay and design that has been a part of the series since day one. Because CoD games are designed to be extremely simple, so that they appeal to everyone. High damage/Low time-to-kill isn't the best thing to have with an arena shooter (though it has proved to be extremely popular, obviously).

All-around high powered weapons means that things like good and consistent aim aren't rewarded as well as they are in other arena shooters, like Quake, or other FPS games like CS, where a single bullet to a limb may not do more than 10-12 damage and a shot to the head will deal upwards of 80. You just point and shoot in CoD and you will probably get the kill as long as you were the first one to fire. Also, with most weapons being powerful, you don't have the strategy of older arena shooters where power weapons are king and you have to plan strats and time your movements to those weapons.

Low health used to be something more typical of tactical shooters, like America's Army, R6, Op:Flashpoint, ArmA and such. So the low health is mitigated by the fact that there is greater emphasis on teamwork and tactics. Of course, as an arena shooter (primarily) the closest CoD comes to that is modes like S&D (and it does it quite well, all things considered), but you can tell that such modes are secondary to deathmatch.

Like I said though, that's a part of CoD's simple point and shoot design. It's lack of complexity is what can make it tired and boring to some people if they play it too much. But that applies to every game in the franchise, so the point at which you get bored of that simplicity, isn't because of the newest game in the franchise being a carbon copy, it's because you're just tired of the core gameplay.

[jit987]

Dead man's hand is really really really really really stupid..

[Golden_Boy786]

What is better Cod or BF3?

[original_username]

(Original post by jit987)
Dead man's hand is really really really really really stupid..

I once got killed by someone AFK. I turned off the system immediately.

[mau5]

(Original post by NDGAARONDI)
Yeah I forgot to change that too. I figured your mic was gone when I said I wasn't going to steal any of your packages from the Osprey but I took one as an enemy was about to hijack a crate.

Yeah I usually only use that on domination leaving it over protecting a flag and just letting my team mates take all the packages. Was meant to take it off that class for TDM as it's not really too effective, all the packages were bad as well.