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Reply 1
I don't like politicians. I did vote Tory last time, will I vote for them next time? No. I won't vote for anybody again, I've seen first hand how politicians are smothered by their Narcissistic views.

I won't vote for anybody in the near future, I'll vote at local level because I've experienced how all parties at local level have their good and bad points. All governments are interested in is hitting targets to make them look impressive, giving out fallacious information to the public who buy it and slandering others. I recall when Mandelson was "fully behind" Gordon Brown, as soon as Brown loses the election big P was then stating how "impossible" Brown was to work with.

With the riots, a small portion of society actually engaged in the riots, a lot of the people involved only jumped on the bandwagon, they are hardcore criminals hence why they have been caught. It's radical to slander the "left" with the deficit, when Labour was spending more then we were earning, who was complaining? The only person I recall bringing up the issue was Vince Cable who everybody laughed at.

The expenses scandal sums up my view of politicians, they're the actual criminals compared to the small time looters, many of whom didn't even riot yet the media has branded them reckless rioters.
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Because people like you who seem to have disdain for the poor associate themselves with them. They have some pretty horrible people on their fringes.

Not that other parties don't...
The attitudes on this thread may give you a clue: http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1757173&page=1
Reply 4
1. They are out of touch with ordinary people.
2. They are power hungry megalomaniacs.
3. They are aristocracy but without the aristo (i.e., meaning 'good').
4. They are elistist (i.e., Bulingdon, Etonians).
5. They are the party of war and peace.
6 They salute the Royal Family.
7. They are steeped in British institutionalism (i.e. Freemasonry: Disraeli, Balfour, Peel, et al).
8. Importantly: they are like all other political parties.
Original post by bradshawi
It really does irritate me when I hear an unpleasant cretin say "I hate the Conservatives. They make the rich richer and the poor poorer". Nonsense! They promote hard work and individualism; and not expecting the state to deal with your problems. If the poor stay poor, it's arguably their own fault. In addition I heard one common girl on Sky News blame the Conservative party for the riots, I quote, "it's the Conservatives and the rich people innit". Completely missing the point that Labour caused the deficit and those "rich people" work hard unlike her and her presumably low-class family.


You are assuming that the only reason that rich people are rich is because they work hard and that the only reason poor people are poor is because they don't.

Some people are born into wealth and never work a day in their lives.

Other's work several full time jobs and barely make enough to live on.

My Grandfather worked 2 full-time jobs and my Grandmother worked 1 and yet they still lived in a council flat for the majority of their lives. Ironically, they became wealthy by winning the pools (i.e. not working hard at all for wealth).
Reply 6
You mean liberals and socialists?

Why would anybody care if those people hate the Tories? They are a worthless waste of space.
Reply 7
people hate the tories because they are either ignorant, don't agree with their policies, or don't like the MPs.

the same reason people hate the liberal democrats and/or labour; because they are either ignorant, don't agree with their policies, or don't like the MPs.
Reply 8
I think the fact that David Cameron selected his best friends from university to be chancellor and mayor of london respectively tells you all you need to know
Reply 9
I stopped reading at 'common girl'. The pretentiousness and implicit class hatred made me retch.
Original post by bradshawi
It really does irritate me when I hear an unpleasant cretin say "I hate the Conservatives. They make the rich richer and the poor poorer". Nonsense! They promote hard work and individualism; and not expecting the state to deal with your problems. If the poor stay poor, it's arguably their own fault.
**** off, just **** off. If you're poor you going to be exposed to more crime, fewer positive role models and a significantly lower standard of education; all of which dramatically decrease your chances of escaping poverty. Saying 'they should work harder' is one of the most patronising and idiotic things a person can say.
Reply 11
Original post by bradshawi
It really does irritate me when I hear an unpleasant cretin say "I hate the Conservatives. They make the rich richer and the poor poorer". Nonsense! They promote hard work and individualism; and not expecting the state to deal with your problems. If the poor stay poor, it's arguably their own fault. In addition I heard one common girl on Sky News blame the Conservative party for the riots, I quote, "it's the Conservatives and the rich people innit". Completely missing the point that Labour caused the deficit and those "rich people" work hard unlike her and her presumably low-class family.

Oh and of course the left-wing decide to say they aren't "in touch" with "real-life", how ridiculous! There is so such thing as the real world. They use their (Cameron's, Osborne's, etc) privileged background as justification for that view. Well, a few Labour MPs have had quite nice upbringings too. There are working-class Conservatives as well.

It's another attempt at inverted snobbery and looking to blame someone for their failures in life. I am a keen supporter of the Conservatives and I am a member of Conservative Future. In fact, I would prefer the party to become more right-wing.

Who agrees that the Conservatives are incorrectly criticised?


The stuff you said in this post and the attitude that comes across in it is exactly why I hate tories. If you think Cameron and Osbourne have any idea what like is like for the working class then I think you're either mad or as blind as they are.

I could point out every example in this post that I disagree with but that would take more effort than I can muster at 1AM when you're clearly going to brush everything asideas "inverted snobbery" rather than acknowledging that people make dislike the Conservatives because the have legitimate grievances with them and their attitudes and policies.
Original post by bradshawi

Original post by bradshawi
It really does irritate me when I hear an unpleasant cretin say "I hate the Conservatives. They make the rich richer and the poor poorer". Nonsense! They promote hard work and individualism; and not expecting the state to deal with your problems. If the poor stay poor, it's arguably their own fault. In addition I heard one common girl on Sky News blame the Conservative party for the riots, I quote, "it's the Conservatives and the rich people innit". Completely missing the point that Labour caused the deficit and those "rich people" work hard unlike her and her presumably low-class family.

Oh and of course the left-wing decide to say they aren't "in touch" with "real-life", how ridiculous! There is so such thing as the real world. They use their (Cameron's, Osborne's, etc) privileged background as justification for that view. Well, a few Labour MPs have had quite nice upbringings too. There are working-class Conservatives as well.

It's another attempt at inverted snobbery and looking to blame someone for their failures in life. I am a keen supporter of the Conservatives and I am a member of Conservative Future. In fact, I would prefer the party to become more right-wing.

Who agrees that the Conservatives are incorrectly criticised?


i do feel you have some good and valid points...im not saying im a fan of them 100% but there policies are better than others and i doo feel that their ideals for society are right just perhaps not going about them in the best possbile ways.
Reply 13
Original post by THAT4301
I think the fact that David Cameron selected his best friends from university to be chancellor and mayor of london respectively tells you all you need to know


Yes, because nobody else has done this in the history of politics....
Original post by Martyn*
1. They are out of touch with ordinary people.
2. They are power hungry megalomaniacs.
3. They are aristocracy but without the aristo (i.e., meaning 'good').
4. They are elistist (i.e., Bulingdon, Etonians).
5. They are the party of war and peace.
6 They salute the Royal Family.
7. They are steeped in British institutionalism (i.e. Freemasonry: Disraeli, Balfour, Peel, et al).
8. Importantly: they are like all other political parties.


Finally, I agree with you :tongue:
This is clearly a troll but in answer to your question mainly Thatcher
Reply 16
Tbh, the sheer amount of student debt I'm going to have at the end of all this is enough to make me hate the Tories.

As for the rest of the problems I have with them, with New Labour and with the Liberal Demo-kittens, would amount to a 10,000 word essay. And I simply don't have the time of day to spare for such pointless activities.
Original post by Eclair
people hate the tories because they are either ignorant, don't agree with their policies, or don't like the MPs.

the same reason people hate the liberal democrats and/or labour; because they are either ignorant, don't agree with their policies, or don't like the MPs.


edited for accuracy withy respect to the first , people currently 'hate' the lib dems as they see them as selling out by entering a coalition with the conservatives, despite the fact a liblab coalition would not have had a majority and would have led to another period of deeper mismanagement by blinky Brown

the core problem with Labour is that like any party which has to appease to socialists it relies on spending other people's money ...
Original post by bradshawi
They promote hard work and individualism; and not expecting the state to deal with your problems.
However, they do tend to make it harder for the poor to advance themselves (regressive taxation, labour market deregulation and such).
Labour caused the deficit

The deficit that Labour caused was teeny-tiny. Stupid, but teeny-tiny. The recession caused the main bulk of the deficit.
Reply 19
Because it's 'cool' to hate the Tories. They are seen as the party of the people your parents hate, or if you are a rah, the party of your parents, which is even worse. Most people that 'hate' the Tories don't know the first thing about politics and base their discussion on politics on the same old tired cliches or whatever they saw the Guardian print, or whatever they saw the Labour member on Question Time say or some such.

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