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I did my GCSEs at a state comprehensive where I was one of the highest scoring students, achieving 2A* 4A 6B.

After joining a grammar school's sixth form my AS results were AAAA, with 100% in English Literature and History..

Are my GCSEs still a problem? I've applied for Oxford but I fear that my GCSE scores will be the reason for my rejection... ugh.

edit: I'm not sure if this is contributory but i'm the first member of my entire extended family doing A Levels and i'm certainly the first considering university.
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I got credite B for chemistry B in physics and C in math so could may I will get the offer for university
Original post by edwardphilip
I did my GCSEs at a state comprehensive where I was one of the highest scoring students, achieving 2A* 4A 6B.

After joining a grammar school's sixth form my AS results were AAAA, with 100% in English Literature and History..

Are my GCSEs still a problem? I've applied for Oxford but I fear that my GCSE scores will be the reason for my rejection... ugh.

edit: I'm not sure if this is contributory but i'm the first member of my entire extended family doing A Levels and i'm certainly the first considering university.


wow them AS grades are pretty exemplary, i think you definitely should have applied to Cambridge instead as they put a lot more emphasis on AS grades. That being said you should still be in with a chance.
Hello, I am in hope of securing a place to study Politics, Philosophy, and Economics at Oxford's fine establishmrnt. I am currently studying AS Levels at a comprehensive college. The subjects are Politics, History (20th century), Economics, and English Literature.

I want to know how much emphasis is put on my secondary school qualifications (I didn't do GCSEs I completed the general certificate of Accelerated Christian Education, which is comparable to Cambridge International O-Levels, it wasn't my choice it was my parents', but I've left there and I'm doing normal AS now). If I achieve four A's this year in my AS levels, which I'm on track for doing, will there be any sense in me applying, if at school I only achieved A*AABBBBB. Oh, my qualifications also had very narrow grade boundaries, for example all my subjects are above 90%, to get an A* I had to achieve 98% and above. Would this have any influence or not? I realise that this is not the typical offer that an Oxford candidate receives, however, I do feel I could have done better if it hadn't been due to the fact that my parents got divorced while my dad almost died of cancer. Would this have any influence on their consideration of my application?

Another question that has me boggled is their policy on gap years? I am not aware on their opinion of them - besides not liking it for maths applicants - but would they disapprove if I deferred my application for one year to study an AS level in maths and go to Iraq for about three or four months to do charity work? I hope this would be seen as a productive gap year as opposed to a useless one.

I appreciate the time you've taken to read this.
Yours Sincerely, Reaver Daniels
Original post by Reaver Daniels
Hello, I am in hope of securing a place to study Politics, Philosophy, and Economics at Oxford's fine establishmrnt. I am currently studying AS Levels at a comprehensive college. The subjects are Politics, History (20th century), Economics, and English Literature.

I want to know how much emphasis is put on my secondary school qualifications (I didn't do GCSEs I completed the general certificate of Accelerated Christian Education, which is comparable to Cambridge International O-Levels, it wasn't my choice it was my parents', but I've left there and I'm doing normal AS now). If I achieve four A's this year in my AS levels, which I'm on track for doing, will there be any sense in me applying, if at school I only achieved A*AABBBBB. Oh, my qualifications also had very narrow grade boundaries, for example all my subjects are above 90%, to get an A* I had to achieve 98% and above. Would this have any influence or not? I realise that this is not the typical offer that an Oxford candidate receives, however, I do feel I could have done better if it hadn't been due to the fact that my parents got divorced while my dad almost died of cancer. Would this have any influence on their consideration of my application?

Another question that has me boggled is their policy on gap years? I am not aware on their opinion of them - besides not liking it for maths applicants - but would they disapprove if I deferred my application for one year to study an AS level in maths and go to Iraq for about three or four months to do charity work? I hope this would be seen as a productive gap year as opposed to a useless one.

I appreciate the time you've taken to read this.
Yours Sincerely, Reaver Daniels


I would not imagine that Oxford will look too favourably on the A.C.E. curriculum.
It's not out of the question, I have many friends that have been to Oxford and Cambridge having done the A.C.E. curriculum. One is currently at the interview stage for Oxford, because he's the year above and we're at the same college.

Taking the curriculum I studied before AS out of the equation, would I be in the extenuating circumstances category for secondary school and would 4 A's at AS get me a chance at a place with a good score on the TSA, an excellent interview, and an exquisite personal statement?
Original post by Reaver Daniels
Hello, I am in hope of securing a place to study Politics, Philosophy, and Economics at Oxford's fine establishmrnt. I am currently studying AS Levels at a comprehensive college. The subjects are Politics, History (20th century), Economics, and English Literature.

I want to know how much emphasis is put on my secondary school qualifications (I didn't do GCSEs I completed the general certificate of Accelerated Christian Education, which is comparable to Cambridge International O-Levels, it wasn't my choice it was my parents', but I've left there and I'm doing normal AS now). If I achieve four A's this year in my AS levels, which I'm on track for doing, will there be any sense in me applying, if at school I only achieved A*AABBBBB. Oh, my qualifications also had very narrow grade boundaries, for example all my subjects are above 90%, to get an A* I had to achieve 98% and above. Would this have any influence or not? I realise that this is not the typical offer that an Oxford candidate receives, however, I do feel I could have done better if it hadn't been due to the fact that my parents got divorced while my dad almost died of cancer. Would this have any influence on their consideration of my application?

Another question that has me boggled is their policy on gap years? I am not aware on their opinion of them - besides not liking it for maths applicants - but would they disapprove if I deferred my application for one year to study an AS level in maths and go to Iraq for about three or four months to do charity work? I hope this would be seen as a productive gap year as opposed to a useless one.

I appreciate the time you've taken to read this.
Yours Sincerely, Reaver Daniels


You have a fairly unique GCSE-equivalent qualification, so I would get in touch with any university that you're thinking of applying to (including Oxford) and clarifying how you'd be treated as an applicant :smile:

Re extenuating circumstances, I believe you can have your tutor mention it in the reference so the universities are made aware of what happened. Apart from Maths, I don't think Oxford has a strong policy of discouraging gap years. I don't see why you shouldn't take one, insofar as you have some good plans, and yours sound fine. The only thing to be mindful of is that if you do apply for a deferred position, they will normally hold you to a higher standard since they're effectively giving you a place without even looking at the majority of applicants for your cohort. Obviously, there's nothing stopping you from applying during your gap year as well.

I don't see why you wouldn't be able to make a competitive applications if you have solid AS/ A level grades and a good TSA score. Nothing ventured, nothing gained, so as long as you have a good selection of universities, give Oxford a go.
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Original post by mishieru07
You have a fairly unique GCSE-equivalent qualification, so I would get in touch with any university that you're thinking of applying to (including Oxford) and clarifying how you'd be treated as an applicant :smile:

Re extenuating circumstances, I believe you can have your tutor mention it in the reference so the universities are made aware of what happened. Apart from Maths, I don't think Oxford has a strong policy of discouraging gap years. I don't see why you shouldn't take one, insofar as you have some good plans, and yours sound fine. The only thing to be mindful of is that if you do apply for a deferred position, they will normally hold you to a higher standard since they're effectively giving you a place without even looking at the majority of applicants for your cohort. Obviously, there's nothing stopping you from applying during your gap year as well.

I don't see why you wouldn't be able to make a competitive applications if you have solid AS/ A level grades and a good TSA score. Nothing ventured, nothing gained, so as long as you have a good selection of universities, give Oxford a go.


That sounds really useful, thank you :smile: would it also be worth mentioning that for an A in my secondary school system I need 96% and above as opposed to 80% in normal schools? Also, should I do maths AS in my gap year before going to Iraq for charity work?
Original post by Reaver Daniels
That sounds really useful, thank you :smile: would it also be worth mentioning that for an A in my secondary school system I need 96% and above as opposed to 80% in normal schools? Also, should I do maths AS in my gap year before going to Iraq for charity work?


I would just write to the universities and ask how (A) how familiar are they with the ACE curriculum and (B) how do they view ACE grades relative to GCSEs. You could potentially offer to explain the syllabus and grading system to them if they're unfamiliar with it, but given that you have seniors in Oxford and Cambridge, I'm willing to wager those two at least are familiar with it in some respect.

I don't do Economics, so I'm not sure how helpful Maths AS would be for you. I can't imagine it being a negative however, so why not go ahead and do it if you have the time?
This is some work done for the Welsh Assembly. It may be of interest to some of you non-welsh out there because it has UK figures for comparison purposes.


http://dera.ioe.ac.uk/20351/5/140619-analysis-of-attainment-of-welsh-applications-to-oxbridge-en.pdf


The report shows that it is definitely possible to get into Oxford with a small number of GCSE A*, although it is of course less likely.

Also, at the back, are shortlisting and offer averages for HAT, ELAT , TSA etc.

So, good luck at your interviews - everything still to play for!
Is Oxford likely to accept someone with these grades:
GCSEs- 2A*'s 13 A's 1B
Predicted AS levels - AAAA
EPQ - yet to do
UKCAT- yet to do

A level choices are biology, chemistry, physics and maths.

Thanks!



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Original post by Sade_101
Is Oxford likely to accept someone with these grades:
GCSEs- 2A*'s 13 A's 1B
Predicted AS levels - AAAA
EPQ - yet to do
UKCAT- yet to do

A level choices are biology, chemistry, physics and maths.

Thanks!



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Pretty much a no for medicine.

Cambridge could still be a shot if you do very well at AS.
As someone who was just accepted for an interview at Merton College, I feel in a position enough to say that you need to take what people say here with a pinch of salt.

I didn't achieve shining AS grades. I was very disappointed, actually. But I got an interview with an A in English, a B in History, a C in Geography and a D in Maths to study Classical Archaeology and Ancient History.
I was very pleased with my GCSE's - 2A*'s, 6A's, 4B's and a C. Looks like some of the people here would be massively disappointed with those grades though.

No, it's not medicine. But it is an interview. And guess who didn't get in? The genius in my year with A's at AS, and equally high GCSE grades.

I was allowed late entry, and I'm only on track for 3A's if I work my little socks off, but I still got an interview and I'm proud of that.

The admissions officers are human, not computers, and therefore able to consider many factors when judging an application. Sure, the higher grades you get, the better your chances. But don't give up hope because you got a B for goodness' sake!

I went to Cambridge Summer School, and they told me this:
Don't worry about GCSE's - if you show enough promise in your A-Levels, you have a good personal statement, and your teachers write a good reference predicting you the grades you need, they'll take into account that you have shown more academic potential as you mature.
Don't worry about bad AS Grades - Their main priority is your highest 3 grades, or, the ones you'll take to A2. They don't worry so much about your fourth grade as long as you show potential in the subject you're applying to, and if the fourth grade is a bad one in a related subject, you can mark it as pending on UCAS and retake.
Oh Yeah, Retakes - Cambridge for sure allow you to retake your AS year if you aren't happy with your grades. They understand that sometimes you just have bad days and you don't do so well in your exams. It's fine.

If you have any real concerns, ask an admissions officer - ring them up. They're very nice people, and not as strict as I'm sure you'd imagine. Don't let the advice of people who don't necessarily know what they're talking about keep you from applying. I nearly did, and I would've regretted it. Just like anyone else here, take what I'm saying with a pinch of salt. It's not true for all cases, and by no means am I an expert in admissions, but then neither are 80% of the people giving out advice here.

Think about this: Are you from a deprived area? Does your school send many candidates to Oxford each year? What is the average set of grades people from your school/area achieve? Do you have any extenuating circumstances -death of a close family member, long-term illness of yourself or a family member, financial difficulties, any other extreme situation?

Do your best, revise, and ask the right people whether or not you can apply, because if I can with my less-than average grades, I'm sure you can too.

Keep smiling :smile:
Hi all, I was just wondering whether it at all would be worth applying to PPE/History&Economics with these grades:

AS(Eng.Lit, Psychology, Economics and History): AAAA
IGCSE: AABBBBCCD

Obviously, my IGCSE grades are far below the average of an Oxford acceptee, but I do believe I have extenuating circumstances which to some extent can be blamed for my poor performance; last year was my first year at an English-speaking school and the fact that I have absolutely terrible handwriting, making my exams nearly impossible to read- it is a wonder the examiners were able to mark them at all. Nonetheless, I got a permission from CIE to do my AS papers on a computer, and the marks have improved quite a bit, and my teachers would definitely mention all of these external factors in my reference. I also haven't tried taking the TSA yet.
Original post by HayleyComet


No, it's not medicine...


If you're addressing Sade 101, the whole point is that s/he IS applying for medicine, where GCSEs are a HUGE factor in pre-interview culling. So there's very little point getting his/her hopes up unnecessarily :nah:
Original post by HayleyComet
As someone who was just accepted for an interview at Merton College, I feel in a position enough to say that you need to take what people say here with a pinch of salt.

I didn't achieve shining AS grades. I was very disappointed, actually. But I got an interview with an A in English, a B in History, a C in Geography and a D in Maths to study Classical Archaeology and Ancient History.
I was very pleased with my GCSE's - 2A*'s, 6A's, 4B's and a C. Looks like some of the people here would be massively disappointed with those grades though.

No, it's not medicine. But it is an interview. And guess who didn't get in? The genius in my year with A's at AS, and equally high GCSE grades.

I was allowed late entry, and I'm only on track for 3A's if I work my little socks off, but I still got an interview and I'm proud of that.

The admissions officers are human, not computers, and therefore able to consider many factors when judging an application. Sure, the higher grades you get, the better your chances. But don't give up hope because you got a B for goodness' sake!

I went to Cambridge Summer School, and they told me this:
Don't worry about GCSE's - if you show enough promise in your A-Levels, you have a good personal statement, and your teachers write a good reference predicting you the grades you need, they'll take into account that you have shown more academic potential as you mature.
Don't worry about bad AS Grades - Their main priority is your highest 3 grades, or, the ones you'll take to A2. They don't worry so much about your fourth grade as long as you show potential in the subject you're applying to, and if the fourth grade is a bad one in a related subject, you can mark it as pending on UCAS and retake.
Oh Yeah, Retakes - Cambridge for sure allow you to retake your AS year if you aren't happy with your grades. They understand that sometimes you just have bad days and you don't do so well in your exams. It's fine.

If you have any real concerns, ask an admissions officer - ring them up. They're very nice people, and not as strict as I'm sure you'd imagine. Don't let the advice of people who don't necessarily know what they're talking about keep you from applying. I nearly did, and I would've regretted it. Just like anyone else here, take what I'm saying with a pinch of salt. It's not true for all cases, and by no means am I an expert in admissions, but then neither are 80% of the people giving out advice here.

Think about this: Are you from a deprived area? Does your school send many candidates to Oxford each year? What is the average set of grades people from your school/area achieve? Do you have any extenuating circumstances -death of a close family member, long-term illness of yourself or a family member, financial difficulties, any other extreme situation?

Do your best, revise, and ask the right people whether or not you can apply, because if I can with my less-than average grades, I'm sure you can too.

Keep smiling :smile:


I completely agree with the overriding meaning of your post - but there are a few things I would like to clarify :smile:

What subject is your interview for?

The Cambridge Summer School is correct - for Cambridge. Oxford do care about GCSE's slightly more than Cambridge. But at the same time they can be outweighed by admissions tests, personal statements and interviews.

Re-sitting your entire AS year is also not looked on that well.. Unless it was because you decided to change your subjects completely.

But the end of your post is completely correct - extenuating circumstances, school area etc are all taken into consideration and one B shouldn't stop you applying. Your standing in relation to your year at school/college is normally a good indicator of academic ability.
Original post by The_Lonely_Goatherd
If you're addressing Sade 101, the whole point is that s/he IS applying for medicine, where GCSEs are a HUGE factor in pre-interview culling. So there's very little point getting his/her hopes up unnecessarily :nah:

I didn't see in their post that they were applying for medicine, perhaps there was an earlier one I missed.
And this wasn't directed specifically at Sade 101, it was just a general message to people that read these posts and feel discouraged from even applying.
You have to take everything in context, I guess. STEM subjects naturally require higher qualifications because they are so competitive and have higher overall grade requirements.

I don't mean to get anyone's hopes up unnecessarily, I just mean that you should talk to your teachers and admissions officers before giving up on information you got on TSR. :smile:
Original post by HayleyComet
I didn't see in their post that they were applying for medicine, perhaps there was an earlier one I missed.
And this wasn't directed specifically at Sade 101, it was just a general message to people that read these posts and feel discouraged from even applying.
You have to take everything in context, I guess. STEM subjects naturally require higher qualifications because they are so competitive and have higher overall grade requirements.

I don't mean to get anyone's hopes up unnecessarily, I just mean that you should talk to your teachers and admissions officers before giving up on information you got on TSR. :smile:


Ah that's fine if you weren't talking straight to Sade 101 - I agree with the overall sentiment of your post :smile:
Original post by Lucilou101
I completely agree with the overriding meaning of your post - but there are a few things I would like to clarify :smile:

What subject is your interview for?

The Cambridge Summer School is correct - for Cambridge. Oxford do care about GCSE's slightly more than Cambridge. But at the same time they can be outweighed by admissions tests, personal statements and interviews.

Re-sitting your entire AS year is also not looked on that well.. Unless it was because you decided to change your subjects completely.

But the end of your post is completely correct - extenuating circumstances, school area etc are all taken into consideration and one B shouldn't stop you applying. Your standing in relation to your year at school/college is normally a good indicator of academic ability.


My interview is for Classical Archaeology and Ancient History - as I understand not the most academic of subjects according to most STEM students. But not everyone applies for STEM subjects, so I thought what I wanted to say was still valid.

Unfortunately I didn't go to Oxford's summer school programme (I think it was Uniq), so the things I said may have been more true for Cambridge - but then it's also true that most people considering Oxford also consider Cambridge. :wink:

I do know someone resitting her AS year, and she's been given the go ahead to apply for Cambridge, but I also agree that they prefer you not to have. It's just what I said though - they look at your application as a whole, and usually if you decide to resit an AS year after getting B's and C's, it's because you were expected to do better, and special circumstances prevented you from doing so. While not always the case, admissions officers do look into it. :smile:
Original post by HayleyComet
My interview is for Classical Archaeology and Ancient History - as I understand not the most academic of subjects according to most STEM students. But not everyone applies for STEM subjects, so I thought what I wanted to say was still valid.

Unfortunately I didn't go to Oxford's summer school programme (I think it was Uniq), so the things I said may have been more true for Cambridge - but then it's also true that most people considering Oxford also consider Cambridge. :wink:

I do know someone resitting her AS year, and she's been given the go ahead to apply for Cambridge, but I also agree that they prefer you not to have. It's just what I said though - they look at your application as a whole, and usually if you decide to resit an AS year after getting B's and C's, it's because you were expected to do better, and special circumstances prevented you from doing so. While not always the case, admissions officers do look into it. :smile:


This isn't a STEM v Hum debate :lol: different subjects interview different percentages of people. CAAH is around 91%, Chemistry 93%. That's mainly due to the fact they don't have admissions tests.

It's not exactly an amazing achievement to receive an interview for the subjects that are 90% + interviewed. The challenge then comes when impressing at interview - but thats the same for pretty much all subjects.

Obviously most people consider Oxford and Cambridge - but that doesn't mean you assume that their systems are exactly the same.

Having extenuating circumstances that cause you to under perform is a bit different to just not doing that well and asking to re-sit the entire year. Oxbridge are generally quite understanding to these circumstances or other problems if they do exist though as you showed! :smile:

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