M54 - Motion for the Reintroduction of the 60 Watt Bulb
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Re: M54 - Motion for the Reintroduction of the 60 Watt BulbYes.
This ban is forcing people to switch to energy-saving alternatives, which has been slammed by consumers who claim halogen and compact fluorescent lamp bulbs are just not bright enough. What about people who suffer from light-sensitive illnesses?
The fact is that we live in a democracy. People should have the freedom to purchase whatever light bulb they wish - if consumers wish to buy a standard 60 watt light bulb instead of the cold fake light that emits from energy-saving bulbs then they should have the freedom to do that.
We should not be forcing people to use certain types of bulbs and telling them how to live their lives. -
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Re: M54 - Motion for the Reintroduction of the 60 Watt BulbMany people care and given that you are an elected representative of Parliament, you should care for the people that care.(Original post by tehFrance)
Who honestly cares? I know I don't, doesn't bother me in the slightest.
If we take the case literally, then I will explain why the ban is a bad idea. The energy saving light bulbs emit a cold and dimmer light, whereas the standard 60 watt light bulbs give a richer and more cosy light. Older people rely on brighter lights and painters and decorators need these lights for their work.
We must also consider the principle. We claim to live in a democracy and therefore we should grant the people of this country, the freedom that comes with democracy. Some people may wish to buy energy saving bulbs, but others may prefer to pay a little bit more to have a brighter bulb; people should have the freedom to make that choice and not have one type of bulb forced upon them. -
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Re: M54 - Motion for the Reintroduction of the 60 Watt BulbSurprised someone who claims to be a Libertarian isn't supporting a motion which opposes restrictions on consumer freedom.(Original post by Norfolkadam)
My constituents don't care either. -
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Re: M54 - Motion for the Reintroduction of the 60 Watt BulbUnder Article 288 of the Treaty Functioning on the European Union a Directive is binding on a Member State which it applies. The Member State in question can choose how to implement it. Failure to implement the Directive can result in legal action taken.
The Ban was introduced via a Directive which the UK is legally bound. If this motion is carried forward, we may face legal action.Last edited by Morgsie; 09-09-2011 at 23:11. -
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Re: M54 - Motion for the Reintroduction of the 60 Watt BulbMy people are a progressive lot... the stupid bastards* that they are wish to save the environment and therefore don't care about light bulbs being banned from the EU as they see this as a move that further strengthens their resolve to save the environment with light bulbs that are not only energy saving but lower watts and equally as bring as the 60 watt bulb.(Original post by Ham and Cheese)
Many people care and given that you are an elected representative of Parliament, you should care for the people that care.
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Re: M54 - Motion for the Reintroduction of the 60 Watt BulbNo. The European Union asked the respective countries whether they agreed to the ban and the British Government in 2008 agreed to the ban; since then there has been a change of Government, so there is nothing to prevent us from overturning that initial decision.(Original post by Morgsie)
Under Article 288 of the Treaty Functioning on the European Union a Directive is binding on a Member State which it applies. The member State in question can choose how to implement it. Failure to implement the Directive can result in legal action taken.
The Ban was introduced via a Directive which the UK is legally bound. If this motion is carried forward, we may face legal action. -
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Re: M54 - Motion for the Reintroduction of the 60 Watt BulbYou agree with restricting consumer freedom and forcing people to buy only one type of light bulb then?(Original post by tehFrance)
My people are a progressive lot... the stupid bastards* that they are wish to save the environment and therefore don't care about light bulbs being banned from the EU as they see this as a move that further strengthens their resolve to save the environment with light bulbs that are not only energy saving but lower watts and equally as bring as the 60 watt bulb.
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Re: M54 - Motion for the Reintroduction of the 60 Watt BulbYou agree with restricting consumer freedom and forcing people to buy only one type of light bulb then?(Original post by mevidek)
As I said before, I do not support this bill. -
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Re: M54 - Motion for the Reintroduction of the 60 Watt BulbI suppose this for the reasons mentioned above. It may be desirable that people switch to energy efficient lightbulbs where they are appropriate, but it is not the duty of the state to enforce that.
The motion does not call on any particular government response, much less failing to implement a directive.(Original post by Morgsie)
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Re: M54 - Motion for the Reintroduction of the 60 Watt BulbWho the hell are you? Joking.(Original post by tvdx)
I care, 60 watt filament bulbs are monstrously inefficient.
Inefficient? Studies from the Program for the Evaluation and Analysis of Residential Lighting (PEARL) shows that energy saving bulbs are simply not as good as manufacturers claim. They loose brightness quickly (half in the test were 25% dimmer before they had reached half of their rated lifespan) and energy saving bulbs often do not live up to their estimated lifespan which is not only a key selling point but a key issue for their positive environmental effects.
Energy saving bulbs are not actually particularly good for the environment due to the mercury they contain.
However, the point being is that if people wish to buy 60 watt light bulbs, because they want a brighter glow then who the hell are we to stop them from doing so? A dictatorship? I think not. -
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Re: M54 - Motion for the Reintroduction of the 60 Watt BulbAs I've already mentioned, there are many different types of light bulbs available. You seriously never read other people's comments do you? Besides, I really don't care about this bill anyway.(Original post by Ham and Cheese)
You agree with restricting consumer freedom and forcing people to buy only one type of light bulb then? -
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Re: M54 - Motion for the Reintroduction of the 60 Watt BulbSure why not, there is absolutely no problem with the ban.(Original post by Ham and Cheese)
You agree with restricting consumer freedom and forcing people to buy only one type of light bulb then?
Where were you when the previous higher wattage bulbs were banned? do you not care about the 100w and the 75w?
You sir are a hypocrite
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Re: M54 - Motion for the Reintroduction of the 60 Watt BulbYou call yourself a Conservative and French? Pah!(Original post by tehFrance)
Sure why not, there is absolutely no problem with the ban.
Where were you when the previous higher wattage bulbs were banned? do you not care about the 100w and the 75w?
You sir are a hypocrite
I probably wasn't on The Student Room at the time. However, the ban of 60 watt light bulbs affects far more people; it affects families and millions of homes up and down the country.
What about painters and decorators who need these brighter bulbs for their work? What about older people or people with light-sensitive illnesses? -
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Re: M54 - Motion for the Reintroduction of the 60 Watt BulbWhat type of light bulbs are available which offer the same level of light in terms of brightness as the 60 watt light bulb does then?(Original post by mevidek)
As I've already mentioned, there are many different types of light bulbs available. You seriously never read other people's comments do you? Besides, I really don't care about this bill anyway.
This is a motion, not a bill. If you don't care about this motion, then why the hell are you an MP?
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