[Idle]

(Original post by jam277)
Man united wouldn't have beaten a full strength Bayern team or a full strength real madrid team last season.

What? The year before United were ragging Bayern until Rafeal got sent off stupidly, how do you conclude that?

[jam277]

(Original post by Idle)
What? The year before United were ragging Bayern until Rafeal got sent off stupidly, how do you conclude that?

Because they have a better defence than before, that's why, they shouldn't have sold hummels, that was the stupidest decision they ever made. But boateng and badstuber have sorted out the defence.
I'm sure you lost the first leg too?

[bengalisoldier]

Man utd all the way!! C'mon on being it on all u hated

[KyleStewart]

Barchaaaaaaaaaaa ..i love :-* the real one..messi the awesome young boy ;-)

[HarveyCanis]

(Original post by bengalisoldier)
Man utd all the way!! C'mon on being it on all u hated

what?

[Legends Legends]

I would LOL hard if the epic,legendary,world-beating and record-breaking(and overrated) EPL teams like Man City,Chelsea and Man United all end up in the Europa league.

right now top 3 favourites are: Barca,Bayern Munich and Mardrid.

[Idle]

(Original post by jam277)
Because they have a better defence than before, that's why, they shouldn't have sold hummels, that was the stupidest decision they ever made. But boateng and badstuber have sorted out the defence.
I'm sure you lost the first leg too?

Yes they won their home leg 2-1 and were losing 3-0 at Old Trafford I believe.

[Mr Goon]

(Original post by Nick1sHere)


No

Would you care to elaborate on No please. Tell me a midfielder who's as good as going forward as he is defending at such a high level in the PL. Can't wait to hear this one, you'll probably tell me Milner is better haha

[jam277]

(Original post by Mr Goon)
Would you care to elaborate on No please. Tell me a midfielder who's as good as going forward as he is defending at such a high level in the PL. Can't wait to hear this one, you'll probably tell me Milner is better haha

Essien didn't have his best season last season tbf, but eitherway. You're right, milner is basically a dirk kuyt that can play in more positions, park ji sung is as good as milner tbh, he pretty much single handedly kept man united in the tie against barcelona in the CL final

[CB91]

(Original post by Mr Goon)
Would you care to elaborate on No please. Tell me a midfielder who's as good as going forward as he is defending at such a high level in the PL. Can't wait to hear this one, you'll probably tell me Milner is better haha

Essien of 06-08ish was, but he's a shadow of his former self. And Yaya Toure to answer your question.

[CB91]

(Original post by Idle)
What? The year before United were ragging Bayern until Rafeal got sent off stupidly, how do you conclude that?

Did it never oocur to you that teams improve?

Bayern have a better defence now that is only going to improve, and they already have one of the best midfields in the world. Combine that with Gomez improving drastically since that season and Bayern are a much better outfit now.

Its also arguable that United havent really improved at all since then yet Bayern beat them anyway.

[CB91]

(Original post by jam277)
Did you play defensively since chelsea and schalke last season? that's a lie, you dominated both of us, and if it wasn't for manuel neuer, schalke would have lost 10-2 on aggregate. You were good, but chelsea were poor, our best player in the match got a red(ramires) so we basically had no chance of winning.
Barcelona are overrated, lets be serious, xavi and iniesta aren't good, they can be negated by good enough DM's, Cambiasso, lucio and samuel did a good job against them. why can't the likes of bayern witth gustavo, bastuber and van buyten be unable to handle them?
Still say arsenal/real madrid vs chelsea final, no bias at all, both teams are good enough to get there, so you can't count them out.

So 3 players have stopped them once in 3 years and theyre over-rated?

[rorydaredking]

(Original post by jam277)
You're pretty arrogant, luiz had a good game last weekend, none of the goals were his fault, terry was more at fault than he was but because he's english he won't get the criticism and luiz will get it.

The reason why he's wearing more protection is because he broke his bloody nose against blackburn, same reason steven taylor wears the mask and it's not permanent.

United didn't even have mikel, he switched to chelsea before he joined united. Mikel isn't constantly poor, the way he plays is important. Ivanovic was the second best right back last season so he's not meh.

Alex is a good player, not the best in the world, but then him, terry and luiz were in a defence that only shipped 27 goals the whole of last season so he can't be 'nothing special'. Have you watched chelsea play? Or just listened to the media?

You've forgot about bosingwa's performances in the first couple of games this season, he was the best right back at the time, he shows that form again, he can be the best right back in the league, better than even richards and walker, he's 28 and will show that form over time.

As for sturridge, until sunday he wasn't performing too well either.

How the hell is torres still thinking about liverpool, have you got any sort of evidence for that? You just pulled that out of your arse.

Finally, we have two replacements for cech, thibaut courtouis and matej delac. in 2 seasons, they can push for a first team place at chelsea.

Fair, didn't know about the broken nose, but you can't argue that he is the same player as pre steven hunt. When I found out how young he was back then I nearly ****ing fell over, what an epic goalie. Now I think he always has a mistake in him, nowhere near the same confidence, as shown by wearing his helmet. Fair play, I probably would if I had fractured my skull, but it is a sign he isn't completely at ease, and will probably pull out of challenges etc. But fair, he has a reason.
Luiz. Every time I see him he is just a freaking maniac. Showed as soon as you signed him, great defender, but just mental. And makes stupid challenges. Will see how he improves.
Mikel never signed for united. oh wait..... Come on. He is never going to be claude makele. Plays the odd good game, he is your Anderson. But united fans all know anderson is generally ****.
Alex I rarely see play, but as he played only 19 games last season, thats probably why. Not your first choice CB, but fair, he is ok. The original list I have a feeling was saying these players were amazing though.
Bosingwa. Being 28 isn't an indicator of form. And playing well for a few games doesn't make you good. Used to be good, now he barely ever plays does he. I'm sure Ivanovic is always RB for you lot. Which says a lot tbh.
Sturridge I was basing on his ability as shown at bolton. He is young, so you can do that.

Torres was talking about how he was forced out of liverpool only the other day. A player thats says he was forced out of another club nearly a year on obviously still has an attachment to that club.

(Original post by jam277)
Did you play defensively since chelsea and schalke last season? that's a lie, you dominated both of us, and if it wasn't for manuel neuer, schalke would have lost 10-2 on aggregate. You were good, but chelsea were poor, our best player in the match got a red(ramires) so we basically had no chance of winning.
Barcelona are overrated, lets be serious, xavi and iniesta aren't good, they can be negated by good enough DM's, Cambiasso, lucio and samuel did a good job against them. why can't the likes of bayern witth gustavo, bastuber and van buyten be unable to handle them?
Still say arsenal/real madrid vs chelsea final, no bias at all, both teams are good enough to get there, so you can't count them out.

Worst wum ever.

[bengalisoldier]

(Original post by Legends Legends)
I would LOL hard if the epic,legendary,world-beating and record-breaking(and overrated) EPL teams like Man City,Chelsea and Man United all end up in the Europa league.

right now top 3 favourites are: Barca,Bayern Munich and Mardrid.

Haha really? No

[jam277]

(Original post by rorydaredking)
Fair, didn't know about the broken nose, but you can't argue that he is the same player as pre steven hunt. When I found out how young he was back then I nearly ****ing fell over, what an epic goalie. Now I think he always has a mistake in him, nowhere near the same confidence, as shown by wearing his helmet. Fair play, I probably would if I had fractured my skull, but it is a sign he isn't completely at ease, and will probably pull out of challenges etc. But fair, he has a reason.
Luiz. Every time I see him he is just a freaking maniac. Showed as soon as you signed him, great defender, but just mental. And makes stupid challenges. Will see how he improves.
Mikel never signed for united. oh wait..... Come on. He is never going to be claude makele. Plays the odd good game, he is your Anderson. But united fans all know anderson is generally ****.
Alex I rarely see play, but as he played only 19 games last season, thats probably why. Not your first choice CB, but fair, he is ok. The original list I have a feeling was saying these players were amazing though.
Bosingwa. Being 28 isn't an indicator of form. And playing well for a few games doesn't make you good. Used to be good, now he barely ever plays does he. I'm sure Ivanovic is always RB for you lot. Which says a lot tbh.
Sturridge I was basing on his ability as shown at bolton. He is young, so you can do that.

Torres was talking about how he was forced out of liverpool only the other day. A player thats says he was forced out of another club nearly a year on obviously still has an attachment to that club.




Worst wum ever.

I meant that they aren't that good, as in invincible, not as in they're not good.
Also, with torres, do you really believe the metro?
Thirdly, Cech wears the helmet, because he's a triplet, so he has a weaker skull, if he plays without it and gets hit again, it'll end his career. That's why he wears his helmet, did you see how he broke his nose against blackburn, that was courage, if he was so scared why would he risk his head and break his nose in order to get the ball?
Cech was chelsea's best player last season, was second for the golden glove and conceded the least amount of goals with man city too. He's just had a poor run of form atm. Ok, his first season was amazing since he only conceded 15 goals, but that's also because of mourinho's negative tactics to prevent scoring freely, when did you ever see chelsea win 6-0 with mourinho, he went straight for 1-0 victories.
Ok, yes mikel is anderson for us and won't be the next makalele, but he is 24, he'll get better in time, he'll become good in time, he needs to get used to positive tactics and increasing the tempo some more with our style of play.

[jam277]

(Original post by CB91)


So 3 players have stopped them once in 3 years and theyre over-rated?

Sorry, meant they aren't that good, they're not godlike that's what I meant. They're great players, but there are people as good as them, guti in his prime was as good as them or even better, scholes was as good as them, they based their gameplay on scholes, that shows how good he really is.

[CB91]

(Original post by jam277)
Sorry, meant they aren't that good, they're not godlike that's what I meant. They're great players, but there are people as good as them, guti in his prime was as good as them or even better, scholes was as good as them, they based their gameplay on scholes, that shows how good he really is.

Well they arent exactly going to come out and say they think they're the best are they?

Guti was nowhere near as good as Xavi or Iniesta are.

[jam277]

(Original post by CB91)
Well they arent exactly going to come out and say they think they're the best are they?

Guti was nowhere near as good as Xavi or Iniesta are.

Why do you say that for guti? Just wondering?

[CB91]

(Original post by jam277)
Why do you say that for guti? Just wondering?

He was inconsistent, his work rate was quite poor and his footwork wasnt that great. He was a good passer and thats about it really. (Not saying he was bad, just overrated IMO).

[SarahM94]

Barcelona and Bayern Munich me thinks