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Can You be traced by Downloading BitTorrent

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Reply 20
Original post by Ewan
Got 2 letters from my ISP before I started using precautions.


Sorry, rather than caught I meant prosecuted. Caught with real consequences rather :tongue:
Reply 21
Can you be traced? Yes. But realistically nothing will happen, lots of people torrent. And you have to get a letter from your provider before any action is taken. So just stop if you get a letter.
Reply 22
Original post by Ewan
I guess I won the lottery twice then.

OP yes you can be caught but there are ways to minimise the risk.

Peerblock is a free way, and works by blocking known anti p2p organisations IPs.

iPredator an encryption service. You can download a firewall to cut off your bittorrent client whenever the service disconnects, but it will stop anyone from knowing (other than iPredator) what you're downloading.

Personally I'd go with Peerblock unless you've already received a few warnings, or ipredator if you don't care about the money (it's more secure).


So were you just given a warning by your ISP, what did they say in it?
Reply 23
Original post by ArcticRed
I ask this question because a friend of mine over in Oregon in usa was apparently caught by the internet police, anti fraud police (etc), and arrested for downloading games By means of torrents. When he was telling me this he said that they were able to trace down his IP adress and apprehend him, and as a consequence they seized his PC, and made him wipe it and delete every game he downloaded plus pay a $700 dollar fine,

Onto the title of this thread i need you guys help, is there any way that you can be traced by downloading torrents because i have a whole load of them downloaded on my pc and have used them countless times. i dont want what happened to him to happen to me. Is there a chance i can be caught

BTW i live in the uk
Thanks in advance


Yeah you can, but there's a bit of a ongoing legal thing in the UK about it
Reply 24
Original post by W.H.T
So were you just given a warning by your ISP, what did they say in it?


Three warnings & I'd be disconnected. They've done it before as well. Considering I'm in an area with only one ISP that would leave me with no broadband internet.
Reply 25
Original post by Ewan
I guess I won the lottery twice then.

OP yes you can be caught but there are ways to minimise the risk.

Peerblock is a free way, and works by blocking known anti p2p organisations IPs.

iPredator an encryption service. You can download a firewall to cut off your bittorrent client whenever the service disconnects, but it will stop anyone from knowing (other than iPredator) what you're downloading.

Personally I'd go with Peerblock unless you've already received a few warnings, or ipredator if you don't care about the money (it's more secure).


why are you so proud to be a thief?
Reply 26
Original post by Sharri5
why are you so proud to be a thief?


If TV shows / films were available online to download in HD straight after release (for a reasonable subscription price) then I wouldn't have to. Even if I paid for Sky I'd still have to wait months for US TV shows to come across the pond, and still wouldn't have nearly as much flexibility as I do with torrents. As for films, why would I wait 6 months after its in the cinema when I can download it straight away from torrents?

Industry needs to catch up if they want to stop people going to torrents.
Reply 27
Can you be traced? Absolutely, although there are precautions you can take. Discussion of these I think is against TSR policy but it's easy to Google for yourself. To be honest, all that'll probably happen is that you'll get warning letters from your ISP - they will in turn have been contacted by legal representatives for the copyright holders of the material you've downloaded.

You won't get a police raid over a few bootlegged films, but if you get 'v&' for something else computer-related (e.g. you've got involved in you-know-what) and they find potentially pirated films on your hard drive when they forensically examine your PC then it may count against you.
Reply 28
Original post by Ewan
If TV shows / films were available online to download in HD straight after release (for a reasonable subscription price) then I wouldn't have to. Even if I paid for Sky I'd still have to wait months for US TV shows to come across the pond, and still wouldn't have nearly as much flexibility as I do with torrents. As for films, why would I wait 6 months after its in the cinema when I can download it straight away from torrents?

Industry needs to catch up if they want to stop people going to torrents.


Your post was "me, me, I, I and me". People put a lot of work and money into the material that they produce. Contrary to what many believe, most of the people working on sets aren't making much money and everytime you download you're hurting production. The shows aren't free to produce and you wouldn't be the only one paying for them, but since you think you're somehow special . . .
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Reply 29
Original post by Sharri5
Your post was "me, me, I, I and me". People put a lot of work and money into the material that they produce. Contrary to what many believe, most of the people working on sets aren't making much money and everytime you download you're hurting production. The shows aren't free to produce and you wouldn't be the only one paying for them, but since you think you're somehow special . . .


Hardly, the loss of revenue put forward by these companies is more like "wishful thinking" than reality. You're trying to make comparisons to stealing a solid product like a CD or DVD that actually took raw materials to make, with digital products it's not the same. To say that everyone who downloads Grey's Anatomy online would buy the DVD if they couldn't use torrents is as I said before "wishful thinking".

It is their own fault, if they moved with the times and stopped using archaic forms of distribution they wouldn't lose so much "revenue" :rolleyes: I might not buy the DVD but if I could pay £20 a month to download US TV shows like Americans can I would jump at the chance.

You ask people why they torrent, and the response time & time again is that it's easier than the alternative. Not that it's cheaper, but the fact that it's easier. You'd think the media industry would actually learn something from this, and instead of fighting the problem try & solve it in a way that will improve their profits.
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Original post by ch0llima
Can you be traced? Absolutely, although there are precautions you can take. Discussion of these I think is against TSR policy but it's easy to Google for yourself. To be honest, all that'll probably happen is that you'll get warning letters from your ISP - they will in turn have been contacted by legal representatives for the copyright holders of the material you've downloaded.

You won't get a police raid over a few bootlegged films, but if you get 'v&' for something else computer-related (e.g. you've got involved in [I]you-know-what
) and they find potentially pirated films on your hard drive when they forensically examine your PC then it may count against you.

Something to do with Voldermort? c'mon be clearer :tongue:
All people under the age of seventeen can be traced. The trace will be lifted on your seventeenth birthday.
Reply 32
Original post by Ewan
Hardly, the loss of revenue put forward by these companies is more like "wishful thinking" than reality. You're trying to make comparisons to stealing a solid product like a CD or DVD that actually took raw materials to make, with digital products it's not the same. To say that everyone who downloads Grey's Anatomy online would buy the DVD if they couldn't use torrents is as I said before "wishful thinking".

It is their own fault, if they moved with the times and stopped using archaic forms of distribution they wouldn't lose so much "revenue" :rolleyes: I might not buy the DVD but if I could pay £20 a month to download US TV shows like Americans can I would jump at the chance.

You ask people why they torrent, and the response time & time again is that it's easier than the alternative. Not that it's cheaper, but the fact that it's easier. You'd think the media industry would actually learn something from this, and instead of fighting the problem try & solve it in a way that will improve their profits.


So I'm guessing you download all music from Itunes/alternatives?
Reply 33
Original post by mau5
So I'm guessing you download all music from Itunes/alternatives?


Don't torrent music no, don't buy much either mind you but that's because I don't listen to much. Wouldn't use iTunes, it's overpriced for what you get.

Original post by fuzzybear
Something to do with Voldermort? c'mon be clearer :tongue:


He means child porn I believe.
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Reply 34
Original post by Ewan
Hardly, the loss of revenue put forward by these companies is more like "wishful thinking" than reality. You're trying to make comparisons to stealing a solid product like a CD or DVD that actually took raw materials to make, with digital products it's not the same. To say that everyone who downloads Grey's Anatomy online would buy the DVD if they couldn't use torrents is as I said before "wishful thinking".

It is their own fault, if they moved with the times and stopped using archaic forms of distribution they wouldn't lose so much "revenue" :rolleyes: I might not buy the DVD but if I could pay £20 a month to download US TV shows like Americans can I would jump at the chance.

You ask people why they torrent, and the response time & time again is that it's easier than the alternative. Not that it's cheaper, but the fact that it's easier. You'd think the media industry would actually learn something from this, and instead of fighting the problem try & solve it in a way that will improve their profits.


Once again, “me, me, me, it’s all about me”. Your logic of faulting someone for the change in technology ie digital work- is ridiculous. According to your genius, if John builds a car with his labor, time and materials and Mark come along with a cloning machine, clones the car and drives away in it—that’s somehow alright. According to you, who cares about John because John can still sale his original car. Even as person after person lines up in front of John’s garage clones his car and drives away with their own personal clone without paying anything---this is somehow fair to John who has once again spent his time, labor and materials building a piece of work. You’re saying that because you’re not messing with the original work that you are not a thief. Don’t kid yourself. Your argument is one of the weakest and jaded that I have ever seen and does not take into consideration the creator and their right to make money. Many people put work up for free---they do this because they want to. Go download that. But not everyone wants to give away their work. People have a right to make money and your idea that you are somehow entitled to download work because you don’t want to wait for the release date is the height of selfishness and ego. “I’m too good and important to wait like everyone else so I’m going to steal it. But hey, it’s their own fault anyway. It’s all about me, me, me, me and me”

The bolded part above just shows the ridiculousness of your idea. Seriously, no raw material went into the making of a show like Grey's Anatomy :eek: None at all. :rolleyes: Wow, just wow.
Reply 35
Original post by Ewan
Don't torrent music no, don't buy much either mind you but that's because I don't listen to much. Wouldn't use iTunes, it's overpriced for what you get.


Fair enough, I download all films/tvshows/music/pcgames for free. I think the arguement about it being 'easier' rather than 'free' is true in some cases but often just an excuse for some people. For example I wanted to play DeadIsland the other day, I could have downloaded it from Steam for £30 or I could download it for free just as easy. I can understand people who like collecting albums/dvd's etc and are happy to spend money doing so but to me there's no incentive to buy a digital copy of something.
Reply 36
Original post by Sharri5
According to your genius, if John builds a car with his labor, time and materials and Mark come along with a cloning machine, clones the car and drives away in it—that’s somehow alright. According to you, who cares about John because John can still sale his original car. Even as person after person lines up in front of John’s garage clones his car and drives away with their own personal clone without paying anything---this is somehow fair to John who has once again spent his time, labor and materials building a piece of work.

This argument is interesting, but ultimately flawed.
There was a lawyer who tried to make a somwhat similar argument a while back, using copying money as an example (http://jamesgannon.ca/2011/04/15/how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-the-copy/)
I suggest you look at the comments of http://torrentfreak.com/how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-the-copy-110426/ (in response to that article).

A car is a better analogy, but still based on a flawed assumption. A car cloning machine would completely change the way the car indistry works, and it would become more like software. Few people build an operating system like windows or linux out of assembler, yet you're somehow suggesting the equivalent with a car?

Lets also consider that Jaguar have released their latest model in america (bearing in mind cars are now a dirt cheap rapid release product) and you have to wait ~4 months before you can get them (based on tv series), and by the time you get them Jaguar have released 20 new iterations...you might get a bit peeved?

Of course, piracy is not the solution. But neither is the current way the system currently legally operates. Maybe you missed this further up, so I'll quote it again.
Original post by Ewan
It is their own fault, if they moved with the times and stopped using archaic forms of distribution they wouldn't lose so much "revenue" :rolleyes: I might not buy the DVD but if I could pay £20 a month to download US TV shows like Americans can I would jump at the chance.
Reply 37
PeerBlock or PeerGuardian. Get it to improve your chances of not getting caught :smile:
Reply 38
Original post by Chrosson
This argument is interesting, but ultimately flawed.
There was a lawyer who tried to make a somwhat similar argument a while back, using copying money as an example (http://jamesgannon.ca/2011/04/15/how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-the-copy/)
I suggest you look at the comments of http://torrentfreak.com/how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-the-copy-110426/ (in response to that article).

A car is a better analogy, but still based on a flawed assumption. A car cloning machine would completely change the way the car indistry works, and it would become more like software. Few people build an operating system like windows or linux out of assembler, yet you're somehow suggesting the equivalent with a car?

Lets also consider that Jaguar have released their latest model in america (bearing in mind cars are now a dirt cheap rapid release product) and you have to wait ~4 months before you can get them (based on tv series), and by the time you get them Jaguar have released 20 new iterations...you might get a bit peeved?

Of course, piracy is not the solution. But neither is the current way the system currently legally operates. Maybe you missed this further up, so I'll quote it again.


Unfortunately you completed missed my point. My point was that the artist has a right to sell their their work and this flawed logic of "well I have to way too long" and "technology allows me to do this" does not take into consideration the person creating the work. You don't have a right to steal because you're inherently impatient. Go back and read my post because I highly doubt that you did. Your logic is flawed.
Reply 39
Original post by Ewan
Three warnings & I'd be disconnected. They've done it before as well. Considering I'm in an area with only one ISP that would leave me with no broadband internet.


Who is the girl in your sig?

Original post by Sharri5
why are you so proud to be a thief?


It's not theft, it's copyright infringement.
(edited 12 years ago)

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