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Reply 200
Original post by cocacola2
Hi

has anyone read/used this book: http://www.sweetandmaxwell.co.uk/Catalogue/ProductDetails.aspx?recordid=4209&productid=344821

If so, what did you think of it?

Generally, what do you guys think of these types of books? Will it just be stuff I should already know/freely available on the internet etc?

Or do you think they can actually be helpful?

Yeah, I've read it. It didn't really tell me anything that I didn't already know from my research, but it's nice to have some of the information all in one place I suppose. I think it'd be more helpful for someone who had just started at Uni rather than someone at the TC application stage. I did find this book helpful though for commercial awareness.
Original post by alawhisp
Yeah, I've read it. It didn't really tell me anything that I didn't already know from my research, but it's nice to have some of the information all in one place I suppose. I think it'd be more helpful for someone who had just started at Uni rather than someone at the TC application stage. I did find this book helpful though for commercial awareness.


Thanks for your input. I saw the reviews for this TC book on Amazon and just went ahead with it. Its not like I'm going to be much worse off if it doesn't turn out to be as good as it sounds.

As for the commercial awareness book, I've almost finished reading it. Its pretty good and explains a lot of the stuff in very simple terms.
PLEASE HELP NEED GUIDANCE ASAP!

I'm currently in my second year of the MLaw (Exempting) Degree at Northumbria University. This degree comprises the LLB and LPC in a 4 year course, and has been spoken of highly by some academics/legal magazines etc...

I've noticed firms have begun to form partnerships with law schools - mainly BPP and College of Law.

I still have the option of studying a 3 year LLB at Northumbria and could apply to study the LPC at the College of Law or BPP law school.

From a recruiters perspective, via which route would I be better presented as an applicant?

Also - I must decided whether to study the 3 year LLB or 4 year exempting degree in March so if (IF) I secure a training contract in this cycle, by offer stage I will have already made my decision re LPC...!

Whilst I appreciate the 'up and coming' course that Northumbria offers, I honestly fear that the LPC at eg College of Law is simply better and more focused...

ADVICE PLEASE
Reply 203
Original post by stevie wonder 65
PLEASE HELP NEED GUIDANCE ASAP!

I'm currently in my second year of the MLaw (Exempting) Degree at Northumbria University. This degree comprises the LLB and LPC in a 4 year course, and has been spoken of highly by some academics/legal magazines etc...

I've noticed firms have begun to form partnerships with law schools - mainly BPP and College of Law.

I still have the option of studying a 3 year LLB at Northumbria and could apply to study the LPC at the College of Law or BPP law school.

From a recruiters perspective, via which route would I be better presented as an applicant?

Also - I must decided whether to study the 3 year LLB or 4 year exempting degree in March so if (IF) I secure a training contract in this cycle, by offer stage I will have already made my decision re LPC...!

Whilst I appreciate the 'up and coming' course that Northumbria offers, I honestly fear that the LPC at eg College of Law is simply better and more focused...

ADVICE PLEASE


Unfortunately, I don't know if this MLaw degree is as respected as you think. I imagine the better route - by a considerable distance - is to do your LLB at Northumbria (which isn't a target university for most large firms, so you'll need a lot to attract their attention in the first place!) and then do the LPC in London.

You'll be surrounded by people who have been through / are going through the same process from a variety of different undergraduate universities and you'll be in London which will make any interviews / networking vastly easier (particularly as most firms are cutting back on the universities they send recruiters to).

The only downside is the cost will be huge compared to doing one more year in Northumbria - whether your target firm will retrospectively repay your LPC fees and provide you with maintenance should probably factor into the decision.
Original post by Wildcard
Unfortunately, I don't know if this MLaw degree is as respected as you think. I imagine the better route - by a considerable distance - is to do your LLB at Northumbria (which isn't a target university for most large firms, so you'll need a lot to attract their attention in the first place!) and then do the LPC in London.

You'll be surrounded by people who have been through / are going through the same process from a variety of different undergraduate universities and you'll be in London which will make any interviews / networking vastly easier (particularly as most firms are cutting back on the universities they send recruiters to).

The only downside is the cost will be huge compared to doing one more year in Northumbria - whether your target firm will retrospectively repay your LPC fees and provide you with maintenance should probably factor into the decision.


My thoughts exactly re commendation of 4yr course!...

Hopefully costs should not be an issue with regards to the LPC, I should be able to secure sponsorship...

I appreciate your comments about networking etc made easier - what would be the benefits of studying LPC at eg College of Law Manchester?
Reply 205
Freshfields app and verbal reasoning test submitted.

FYI anyone who is planning to apply - the personal statement section says it accepts up to 850 words. What it doesn't tell you until you try to enter your ps is that it also can't be over 5000 characters (which relates more closely to 800 than 850 words...) Just a heads up!
Reply 206
Original post by cej
Freshfields app and verbal reasoning test submitted.

FYI anyone who is planning to apply - the personal statement section says it accepts up to 850 words. What it doesn't tell you until you try to enter your ps is that it also can't be over 5000 characters (which relates more closely to 800 than 850 words...) Just a heads up!


What can I say? Use shorter words.
''Identify and briefly discuss the challenges facing a commercial law firm in the future.''

Should I answer this generally but refer to the firm in question to give examples to back up my arguments?

Original post by cej
Freshfields app and verbal reasoning test submitted.

FYI anyone who is planning to apply - the personal statement section says it accepts up to 850 words. What it doesn't tell you until you try to enter your ps is that it also can't be over 5000 characters (which relates more closely to 800 than 850 words...) Just a heads up!


I hate it when firms (or anybody else for that matter), don't point out things like that beforehand.

Maybe you should let them know in the Freshfields thread :biggrin:
Reply 209
What difference does it make if you apply for both vac scheme and training contract together or apply for them separately over a period of months? Thanks!
Reply 210
Original post by tomlees
What difference does it make if you apply for both vac scheme and training contract together or apply for them separately over a period of months? Thanks!


Some firms let you do even more, and apply for Open Days too at the same time.

In a sense, if you get accepted for an Open Day or a VS, you must be in with a shout at the TC, as they wouldn't waste their time on someone that they weren't at least a little bit interested in.

Of course, this is not to say that being on the VS guarantees you the TC. You might go on the VS and they decide that you're a complete nutter.

The only disadvantage is exactly that - VS apps will tend to be a little bit earlier, and you could be applying when you are a little bit less experienced and if you get turned down for the VS, that will probably count as a TC PFO for that year too.

On the other hand, at least you'll have an early PFO and be able to move on with some early indication rather than having sent off 40 apps and not hear anything until September.

Some people say that it's actually harder to get on the VS than the TC. I can see where this comes from as some big firms might have fewer VS places than training places, and some firms recruit either exclusively from the VS or take "most" of their trainees from the VS. Personally, I have no idea if this is actually the case, but it sounds reasonable.
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Original post by Clip

Some people say that it's actually harder to get on the VS than the TC. I can see where this comes from as some big firms might have fewer VS places than training places, and some firms recruit either exclusively from the VS or take "most" of their trainees from the VS. Personally, I have no idea if this is actually the case, but it sounds reasonable.


This is true for most firms.

A lot of firms publish a percentage for how many of the trainees came from the VS.

For a lot of firms its 50% - 60%, other firms are closer to 100% (but they are the ones that don't tend to publish a figure as it happens).

For the '100% firms' I'm just going off what I've heard and its usually big American firms? Not 100% sure.
Original post by Wildcard
Unfortunately, I don't know if this MLaw degree is as respected as you think. I imagine the better route - by a considerable distance - is to do your LLB at Northumbria (which isn't a target university for most large firms, so you'll need a lot to attract their attention in the first place!) and then do the LPC in London.

You'll be surrounded by people who have been through / are going through the same process from a variety of different undergraduate universities and you'll be in London which will make any interviews / networking vastly easier (particularly as most firms are cutting back on the universities they send recruiters to).

The only downside is the cost will be huge compared to doing one more year in Northumbria - whether your target firm will retrospectively repay your LPC fees and provide you with maintenance should probably factor into the decision.


So... I currently have an application form, filled in but not sent...

For degree should I simply put 3 year LLB, or 4 year exempting and try and use it as a selling point...

As things stand I've stated that I'm studying the 4yr Exempting route and put a paragraph in about why the course is appealing:

''The 4 year MLaw (Exempting) degree is an integrated masters programme comprising a qualifying LLB (Hons) degree and the Legal Practice Course. It acknowledges the deep understanding and specialist knowledge and skills developed on various modules by the award of a Masters level degree for those subjects. The degree is subject to the same rigorous monitoring and validation requirements as free-standing Legal Practice Courses. The SRA recently awarded the highest possible grade across all 6 areas of the LPC elements of the course. Furthermore, in 2010 the Law School was declared National Training Award Winner of the Year with judges commenting that the programme is clearly a model of best practice within the UK. In my final year I will participate in the Student Law Office, the largest clinical service in the country, which has received recognition and accolades from bodies including the Attorney General's Pro Bono Awards and the Law Society Excellence Awards.

''During their time in the Student Law Office, students advise and represent members of the public under the close supervision of qualified lawyers, drawing on their own legal knowledge and skills to provide real solutions to their clients' legal problems. They undertake a range of casework and are responsible for the day to day handling of client files. Recruiters have commented that our graduates are well equipped to begin life as a trainee solicitor.'' - Jonny Hall (Programme Leader)''
Is it acceptable to quote the firm brochure (referring to particular attributes etc) when answering the question ''why this firm''?
Reply 214
Original post by stevie wonder 65
Is it acceptable to quote the firm brochure (referring to particular attributes etc) when answering the question ''why this firm''?


Anything's acceptable if you think you can justify it.
Reply 215
Original post by stevie wonder 65
Is it acceptable to quote the firm brochure (referring to particular attributes etc) when answering the question ''why this firm''?


I would avoid quoting the firm's brochure. Likewise, I don't think you should quote the programme manager for the student law centre, as you've suggested you would in your earlier post.

Application form questions aren't like English lit or law essays where you're expected to support your arguments by quoting from texts, or citing judgments. Your responses to the questions should be self-supporting i.e. they shouldn't need to be bolstered by quotes from other material.
Original post by chalks
I would avoid quoting the firm's brochure. Likewise, I don't think you should quote the programme manager for the student law centre, as you've suggested you would in your earlier post.

Application form questions aren't like English lit or law essays where you're expected to support your arguments by quoting from texts, or citing judgments. Your responses to the questions should be self-supporting i.e. they shouldn't need to be bolstered by quotes from other material.


Ok thanks Chalks v interesting point - I'll review my answers!
Reply 217
Original post by Clip


Some people say that it's actually harder to get on the VS than the TC. I can see where this comes from as some big firms might have fewer VS places than training places, and some firms recruit either exclusively from the VS or take "most" of their trainees from the VS. Personally, I have no idea if this is actually the case, but it sounds reasonable.


I'd say there are two factors here, pushing in opposite directions. First, candidates are able to and do undertake multiple vac schemes--I know loads of people who did three. I'm probably in a minority in that I only did one. Candidates are only able to accept a place on one training contract. Secondly, and in the other direction, at some firms the candidates for TCs are likely to be of a higher standard--there are people who take a punt on the MC for vac schemes and realise their qualifications are not good enough. While there might be fewer candidates numerically, the standard might well be higher.
Just a quick question:

If a firm offers open days and your intention is to apply for a TC, is it perfectly acceptable to just go ahead and submit a TC app? Or by ignoring the open day option, does it perhaps create the impression that the applicant is simply firing off one of many TC apps without taking the (specifically designated) opportunity to experience what the firm has to offer firsthand?

I'd also like to hear people's thoughts on the above question with regard to VS' rather than open days...

Thanks.
Original post by #1Genius

Original post by #1Genius
Just a quick question:

If a firm offers open days and your intention is to apply for a TC, is it perfectly acceptable to just go ahead and submit a TC app? Or by ignoring the open day option, does it perhaps create the impression that the applicant is simply firing off one of many TC apps without taking the (specifically designated) opportunity to experience what the firm has to offer firsthand?

I'd also like to hear people's thoughts on the above question with regard to VS' rather than open days...

Thanks.


I don't think they'd assume that just because you haven't applied to their open day, but will probably look at the rest of your app.

If you have been to other open days/Vac Schemes to similar firms, they might think its because you already know what its like to work in a city law firm.

I exchanged a few PMs with the Freshfields rep on here and she told me that it was imperative that they felt you understood what the work entailed and you were showing a genuine interest in City law. She went on to say Open Days and Vac Schemes are a great way of demonstrating this.

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