UK: Gay Marriage by 2015?

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About time. Don't like gay marriage? Don't get one.

I don't understand why some people are so outraged, just a bunch of busy body curtain twitchers that like to interfere in the lives of everyone else.

Reply 21

Selkarn

Original post by fire2burn

About time. Don't like gay marriage? Don't get one

Depends what you mean by marriage.

Ultimately this thread is meaningless as it doesn't define what standard the marriage is set by. The marriage is not set by Christian or Islamic standards, therefore no Christian or Muslim will recognise it as a marriage. Which is why, as a religious person, I couldn't care less - because neither I or my community will recognise it as a marriage, no matter what the government calls it. :smile:

Reply 22

bouillabaisse

It is a waste of government time. With civil partnerships now available their is no reason for gay people to get married.

Reply 23

B-Man.

Original post by Chief Wiggum

It does seem rather strange.

I personally see nothing wrong with homosexuals getting married, but when religious institutions tend to be opposed to homosexual relationships, would they really agree to perform the ceremonies?

There will always be Islamic and Christian clerics who will be willing to perform these ceremonies. Not all, probably not even the majority, but they do exist.

Reply 24

Selkarn

Original post by B-Man.

There will always be Islamic and Christian clerics who will be willing to perform these ceremonies. Not all, probably not even the majority, but they do exist.

I could call myself a Christian and say that my religious beliefs allow me to steal things from shops. That doesn't make it Christian. There will always be deviants. I think it's clear to all that no true Islamic/Christian "cleric" would conduct, say, a male/male ceremony. Therefore in my opinion, and the opinion of other Muslims/Christians, there is no such thing as gay marriage, and there never will be, no matter what the government call it.

Reply 25

BulgeBracket

Generally, as time goes on, people become more liberal.

I predict the legalisation of both gay marriage by 2015 and marijuana by 2020.

Reply 26

Morgsie

I watched Lynne Featherstone's Conference speech where she announced this and a Consultation starting next March.

Yes I support Equal Marriage.

Reply 27

kaybone93

Original post by Selkarn

Marriage by what standard? No true Christian or Islamic institutions would offer male/male marriages - that's not opinion, it's fact.

So this doesn't really bother me, as it doesn't affect me. No real Islamic institution will perform a male/male Islamic marriage, and nobody will ever be able to force them to either, and that's all that matters to me, not what some silly pseudo-Christian modernist church does.

Totally agree. There will be a couple of interesting eggs who will permit gay marriages within their religious premises but the majority will stick to their divine doctrine. I also think this whole process of wasting parliamentary time changing the 'name' of an official union between people of the same sex (lets remember currently civil partnerships have the same legal rights as marriage) is quite comical considering what other, more relevant legislation could be implemented. Changing the definition of what a marriage is - The formal union of a man and a woman, typically recognized by law, by which they become husband and wife, makes me giggle a little bit as this has nothing to do with discrimination but just a way of making Gay couples a little more 'comfortable' with their union, and not to feel any less adequate. This move by the conservatives is simply to please the Lib Dems, and possibly (though unlikely) secure a little more gay support.

Reply 28

B-Man.

Original post by Selkarn

Interesting, are Catholics true Christians or Protestants?

Are Sunni's true Muslims or Salafi's?

Reply 29

screenager2004

I think marriage should be a religious thing. Secular heterosexual/homosexual couples who want to be joined together legally should take civil partnerships.

Reply 30

Greenlaner

Original post by Selkarn

Would you "recognise" a marriage between two atheists?

Not that your opinion means anything, at the end of the day, all that matters is that a marriage is recognised by the law of the land. You and the Church can disregard them all you want, its not going to change that fact.

Reply 31

B-Man.

Original post by screenager2004

I think marriage should be a religious thing. Secular heterosexual/homosexual couples who want to be joined together legally should take civil partnerships.

Why? Marriage predates religion, well the Abrahamic ones anyway. Should Athiests have to take up Civil Partnerships too?

Reply 32

electric-wars

Britney Spears can be married for a matter of hours, somebody can walk into a Las Vegas chapel and have an Elvis Presley style wedding within minutes, Charlie Sheen can have his 'porn wives' and these are all recognised by the law, but when two people of the same gender wish to be married it's not possible. This just seems absurd to me.

Reply 33

username840870

Did marriage originate through a religion? I don't see why homosexuals aren't happy with being able to get a civil partnership, seems strange they want their love for each other to be performed in a religious way when the religion doesn't want them doing it.

Reply 34

B-Man.

Original post by RTAN451

Did marriage originate through a religion?

No.

Original post by RTAN451

I don't see why homosexuals aren't happy with being able to get a civil partnership, seems strange they want their love for each other to be performed in a religious way when the religion doesn't want them doing it.

Who decides that their religion doesn't want them doing it? Some Christians say that the religion forbids consuming pork (Seventh Day Adventists) and they cite Leviticus to prove this. Other Christians say that Jesus abroghated this with the new covenant. Religion is subjective; it's up to the individual adherent to decide what their religion teaches. No one else can dictate your religion to you.

If a Christian decides that homosexuality is permitted then that's his choice and he should have the freedom to make it.

Reply 35

kaybone93

Original post by B-Man.

Interesting, are Catholics true Christians or Protestants?

Are Sunni's true Muslims or Salafi's?

The point you are making about how there a different denominations within a religion doesnt actually defeat his point about true muslims/christians being those who full adhere to their religious doctrine. From a christian perspective the original Protestant and catholic doctrines would be considered by the majority of christians much in line with Biblical scripture. Where differences occur could be in the order of worship, and the use of physical sacraments (mainly within catholicism). This is where debate could usually arise to whether these particular elements are necessary. Within Britain however due to the reformations of Cranmer and Co, we have had since efforts to find a middle line between protestantism and Rome, leaving us with a wishy-washy 'protestant' doctrine which is no where in line with holy scripture and has now tried to please the political elite. Thus why we are in situations where Anglican bishops (i stress anglican) would be happy to have gay marriages in their churches.
My personal opinion of real protestantism in its true modern form would be pentecostalism, which goes back to the core principles of scripture, and therefore finds it easy to not get confused with simple issues such as gay marriage, which isnt part of christianity. By they way i say all this with love, i dont hate gays, but this is fact.

Reply 36

Sexy_PIG

Original post by B-Man.

Source

Your thoughts?

I am not antigay but all this too much!!!
We are faceing the biggest family break down, there are no standards, no class, no values, it is a case of do what you feel.

Reply 37

Laszorya

I'm gay and really couldn't care any less. A civil partnership gives homosexual couples exactly the same rights as a heterosexual couple gets from a marriage, so I don't see the need for gay marriage. If anything its just going to piss of the religious more than they already are and make them even more antagonistic towards us.

Reply 38

username402722

I am surprised at this move, as civil partnerships seemed to be marriage in all but name, and in a way satisfying both opponents and supporters of gay marriage by a compromise.

Reply 39

Selkarn

Original post by Greenlaner

Would you "recognise" a marriage between two atheists?

If it was between a man and a woman, yes. :smile:

As I said. This doesn't really bother me, as it doesn't affect me. No real Islamic institution will perform a male/male Islamic marriage, and nobody will ever be able to force them to either, and that's all that matters to me, not what some silly pseudo-Christian modernist church does. Therefore in my opinion, and the opinion of other Muslims/Christians, there is no such thing as gay marriage, and there never will be, no matter what the government call it. Accept that fact :smile: