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Satanism and Christianity.

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    I am of the belief that Satanism - the worship and/or veneration of Satan - is the flip-side of Christianity. Now in Judaism, we actually don't find - even historically - the kind of superstition that we find in Christianity. Christianity is by far much more superstitious than Judaism, in my opinion. More so than any other religion Christianity did stoke the flames of hell. Christianity taught the Satanic doctrine to be combatted more than Judaism. In fact, many Jews did not believe in Satan, except perhaps that he was a mystical figure representing man's dark nature; but they didn't actually believe, as the Christains did after and at the time, that there was some evil agent with horns and fork tail torturing sinners in a fiery underworld. Jews just did not believe it, but Christians took it to another level.

    Anyone know of Aleister Crowley? His life is rather interesting:

    Source: http://pierrejoubert.blogspot.com/20...r-crowley.html

    Aleister Crowley (1875-1947) was a gay Satanist with links to the UK security services. He slept with men, women and boys. (A Magick Life A Biography Of Aleister Crowley)

    Reportedly, 'he inspired the free-love generation of the 1960s'.

    He died a penniless drug addict.

    Aleister Crowley was called, by sections of the press, 'The Wickedest Man In the World'. (Owen, Alex The Place of Enchantment. University of Chicago Press, 2004)

    Crowley had a difficult childhood. Some would say that Crowley went mad.

    His father's money came from a family brewery business.

    His father was a preacher. (Aleister Crowley - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

    Both of his parents were Exclusive Brethren, 'a more conservative faction' of the Plymouth Brethren.[9]

    The Brethren have a strong interest in Hell and Satan.

    As a child, the only book Crowley was allowed to read was the Bible.

    From the age of eight he was sent to strict Evangelical boarding schools.

    At his second school he was bullied and beaten by 'a sexually ambiguous sadomasochist' headmaster.



    When Aleister was 11, his father died.


    Aleister came to hate the Brethren.

    As a child, he was caught torturing a cat to test if it had nine lives. (Channel 4: Masters of Darkness)

    Crowley's mother caught him masturbating and called him 'the beast'. (Channel 4: Masters of Darkness)

    At 14, he had sex with a maid.

    He "was forced to leave many schools, on one occasion because he had caught gonorrhoea from a prostitute." (Channel 4: Masters of Darkness)

    Aleister Crowley went to the posh private school called Malvern College, and to Cambridge University.

    Crowley

    In 1896, he decided to take up occultism. This was after a homo-erotic experience that brought him what he considered "an encounter with an immanent deity." (Sutin, L. Do What Thou Wilt. 2000)

    He mixed with female prostitutes and took part in homosexual activity. (Aleister Crowley - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia )

    He practised 'sexual magic rituals' with men and women and boys.

    Crowley wrote (A History of Homoerotica):

    Boy of red lips, pale face, and golden hair,
    Of dreamy eyes of love, and finger-tips
    Rosy with youth, too fervid and too fair,
    Boy of red lips.
    How the fond ruby rapier glides and slips
    'Twixt the white hills thou spreadest for me there...

    According to Sutin (Sutin, L. Do What Thou Wilt. 2000) Crowley had a deep relationship with Herbert Charles Pollitt, a transvestite whom he met at Cambridge in 1897.

    In a 1929 letter, Crowley wrote

    "Call me a bugger if you like, but I don't feel the same way about women. One can always replace a woman in a few days." (letter to Montgomery Evans, January 17, 1929, O.T.O. archives, quoted Sutin p. 334)

    Crowley suffered from asthma and was prescribed drugs for this.

    At various times he experimented with laudanum, opium, cocaine, hashish, marijuana, alcohol, ether, mescaline and heroin.[70]




    Crowley married Rose Kelly and took her to Egypt.

    In 1904, in Cairo, Crowley had 'a revelatory experience,' perhaps influenced by drugs.

    Crowley performed an invocation of the Egyptian God Horus.

    According to Crowley, the God told him that a new Aeon for mankind had begun, and that Crowley would serve as its prophet.

    "Believing himself to be the messiah of a new epoch, Crowley swore that he would perform depraved acts and learn to love them.

    "Christianity was dead, he declared.

    "His new religion had one all-powerful doctrine: 'Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.'" (Channel 4: Masters of Darkness)

    Crowley headed to Vietnam, where he abandoned his wife Rose and their child Lola. .

    Lola died of typhoid. Rose became mentally ill. (Channel 4: Masters of Darkness )




    Crowley took as his lover the writer Victor Neuberg.

    They spent some time in Algeria where they were suspected of being spies. (SECRET AGENT 666)

    Eventually,Neuberg was abandoned and suffered from mental illness. (Channel 4: Masters of Darkness )

    In his biography, Aleister Crowley: the Nature of the Beast, Colin Wilson writes that Crowley complained in a letter "that he was having an awful job of keeping Neuberg away from Arab boys for whose brown bottoms he had a 'frightful lust.'" (Wicca Turns 50 -- Sex-Crazed Satanic Roots of a New Religion)

    Richard B. Spence, in his 2008 book Secret Agent 666: Aleister Crowley, British Intelligence and the Occult, wrote that Crowley was an agent of British Intelligence

    "While they were staying in Algeria, Crowley and Neuberg were being closely watched by the local French colonial police.

    "They believed the Great Beast was on a secret mission in North Africa to gather information for British Intelligence, using his magical operations as a cover." (SECRET AGENT 666).

    During World War I, Crowley was in the USA, acting, or pretending to act, as a German propaganda agent.

    If he was an agent provocateur he could have had a role in provoking the sinking of the Lusitania, thus bringing the United States closer to active involvement in the war alongside the Allies." (Spence, Richard B. 2008. Secret Agent 666: Aleister Crowley, British Intelligence and the Occult.)

    "When World War I began in 1914 Crowley was living in the United States. There he posed as an Irish revolutionary to infiltrate pro-German groups and engage in black propaganda on behalf of Britain’s SIS (Secret Intelligence Service or MI6) or the NID (Naval Intelligence Department)." (SECRET AGENT 666)

    Crowley was a freemason, but freemasons claim he was not an important freemason. (ALeister Crowley: Freemason!)

    In 1920, Crowley, along with Leah Hirsig, founded an abbey in Sicily.

    "Stories of depraved sexual acts at the abbey quickly began to circulate." (Channel 4: Masters of Darkness)

    A goat was sacrificed while penetrating Leah.

    Crowley and Leah had a child.

    The child died. Leah had a nervous breakdown.

    Raoul Loveday, one of Crowley's disciples, died after drinking the blood of a cat.

    Crowley reportedly ate "**** off an altar - which his mistress, Leah Hirsig, had pooped for him!" (Wicca Turns 50 -- Sex-Crazed Satanic Roots of a New Religion )

    The temple was disbanded.

    Many of Crowley's former disciples went mad or committed suicide.

    Leah turned to prostitution.

    In 1922, Crowley published his Diary of a Drug Fiend.

    Mussolini had Crowley deported in 1923.



    During World War II, Ian Fleming, author of the James Bond books and one time British intelligence officer, proposed using Crowley.

    Reportedly, this was to help MI5 supply Nazi Rudolf Hess with fake horoscopes.

    Fleming suggested using Crowley as an interrogator.

    According to a review (SECRET AGENT 666) of Richard Spence's "SECRET AGENT 666: Aleister Crowley, British Intelligence and the Occult In World War II":

    In the 1930s Crowley "became friendly with Maxwell Knight, the assistant director of the Security Service (MI5), Ian Fleming, the assistant-director of Naval Intelligence who later penned the James Bond spy novels, and Dennis Wheatley, the occult thriller writer who served on Winston Churchill’s top-secret planning committee for total warfare.

    "When war broke out in 1939, Spence says that Crowley was interviewed by the NID (Naval Intelligence) and in his diary he recorded that the meeting went 'as satisfactory as could be expected.'

    "When a combined NID/SIS sting operation managed to lure the top Nazi Rudolf Hess to Britain on his ill-fated ‘peace mission’ in 1941, Commander Ian Fleming of NID suggested to his superiors that he should be interviewed by Crowley.

    "It is claimed in this book that Crowley did in fact interview Hess several times at a secret MI5 interrogation centre at Ham Common in south London." (Michael Howard in New Dawn. SECRET AGENT 666)

    Crowley died in a Hastings boarding house in 1947 at the age of 72.




    Crowley wrote (A History of Homoerotica):

    "Yes, thou art dead.
    Thy buttocks now
    Are swan-sort, and thou sweatest not;
    And hast a strange desire begot
    In me, to lick thy bloody brow..."

    Lon Milo Duquette wrote in his 1993 work The Magick of Aleister Crowley that:

    "Crowley ... did not — I repeat not — perform or advocate human sacrifice." (Aleister Crowley - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

    Crowley wrote: "It would be unwise to condemn as irrational the practice of devouring the heart and liver of an adversary while yet warm.

    "For the highest spiritual working one must choose that victim which contains the greatest and purest force; a male child of perfect innocence and high intelligence is the most satisfactory." ("Of the Bloody Sacrifice and Matters Cognate." Book Four Part III, Magick in Theory and Practice, Chapter 12. (Aleister Crowley - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

    Robert Anton Wilson in The Final Secret of the Illuminati interpreted 'the child' as a reference to genes in sperm. (Aleister Crowley - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

    Crowley's "Preface to Sepher Sephiroth", 1911 [83], originally published in Equinox 1:8. contains a statement of Crowley's belief in the blood libel against the Jews [84]:

    "Human sacrifices are today still practised by the Jews of Eastern Europe, as is set forth at length by Sir Richard Burton in the MS. which the wealthy Jews of England have compassed heaven and earth to suppress [85], and evidenced by the ever-recurring Pogroms against which so senseless an outcry is made by those who live among those degenerate Jews who are at least not cannibals."

    Crowley repeated his claim that Jews in Eastern Europe practice ritual child-murder in at least one later work. (Aleister Crowley - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

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    Just look how close the line between Satanism and Christianity is. I can find numerous other profiles of the same, perhaps not to the extent that Crowley lived it. It seems that the flip-side of Christianity - Satanism - may in fact be the alter-ego of Christianity, at least historically and pyschologically, if not doctrinely as well. Even in my own life, I, myself, having gone to Catholic school was embroiled in a scandal - if it can be called a scandal - involving occultism within that school. RE was taught regularly in that school but the kids were more interested in the stories of Satan. Consequently, rumours went round that certain children were involved with ritual sacrifice at home. To those children who were suspected, myself included, the Social Services were called out to investigate the claims. Many kids were found to have in their possession books on the occult. The books were confiscated, mine included. But since no children were actually found guilty of conducting ritual sacrifice, the school were forced to issue apologies to those parents of whose children had been investigated. At any rate, books on Greek mythology were confiscated from the school, mine included.
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    But there are two types of satanism - theistic satanism and LaVeyan satanism.
    But of course satanism and christianity will be linked - by the figure of satan.
    and that sucks that they took away the books, did you ever get them back?
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    That's heresy.
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    Satanism isn't all that it's hyped up to be. It's only a shock-name.
    It's basically agnostic, Nietzsche, hedonist, almost plato philosophy, summed up in an anti-christian name.
    Nothing much to be afraid of imo
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    Satanism is just S&M.
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    (Original post by corpuscallosum)
    But there are two types of satanism - theistic satanism and LaVeyan satanism.
    But of course satanism and christianity will be linked - by the figure of satan.
    and that sucks that they took away the books, did you ever get them back?
    Can't remember. I don't think so.
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    Where do you belive you go when you die?
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    (Original post by gltw)
    Where do you belive you go when you die?
    Meaning, the belief will not actually dictate where they are actually going to 'go'?
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    (Original post by Sovr'gnChancellor£)
    Meaning, the belief will not actually dictate where they are actually going to 'go'?
    Yes but I want to know what they belive. I know where they will go. I what to know where they belive they will go.
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    (Original post by gltw)
    Yes but I want to know what they belive. I know where they will go. I what to know where they belive they will go.
    Oh, you know do you? And where's that then?
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    (Original post by Sovr'gnChancellor£)
    Oh, you know do you? And where's that then?
    I am waiting for an answer to my question first.
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    (Original post by gltw)
    Where do you belive you go when you die?
    Where I believe I will go is of no consequence to where I will go once I die. I'm not even interested in such questions, which to me, are only a form of entertainment. No-one, I repeat, no-one, has died and come back from the dead.

    Not one person.
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    (Original post by emerset)
    Satanism isn't all that it's hyped up to be. It's only a shock-name.
    It's basically agnostic, Nietzsche, hedonist, almost plato philosophy, summed up in an anti-christian name.
    Nothing much to be afraid of imo
    Yeah, modern LaVeyan Satanism isn't devil worship at all. I think it's a form of nature worship, and they use the word Satan as symbol for the chaotic nature of the universe. Of course the whole religion was designed from the ground up to be the opposite of Christianity, right down to not believing in deities. I mean if they actually worshipped the devil, they'd have to acknowledge the existence of god too.
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    (Original post by Martyn*)
    Where I believe I will go is of no consequence to where I will go once I die. I'm not even interested in such questions, which to me, are only a form of entertainment. No-one, I repeat, no-one, has died and come back from the dead.

    Not one person.
    Except Jesus And what about people on an operating table who die and are bought back.
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    (Original post by adamrules247)
    Except Jesus And what about people on an operating table who die and are bought back.
    Yeah, you know what that means? It means their heart has stopped beating, and the medics are on a race for time before the person becomes mentally damaged and then permanently brain-dead, and then irrecoverably dead (from lack of oxygen to the cells). If they can shock the heart muscle into working again before this, that's what they call "bringing someone back from the dead".

    It sounds less magical once you know the facts doesn't it
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    (Original post by emerset)
    Yeah, you know what that means? It means their heart has stopped beating, and the medics are on a race for time before the person becomes mentally damaged and then permanently brain-dead, and then irrecoverably dead (from lack of oxygen to the cells). If they can shock the heart muscle into working again before this, that's what they call "bringing someone back from the dead".

    It sounds less magical once you know the facts doesn't it
    I knew that already...........
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    (Original post by adamrules247)
    Except Jesus And what about people on an operating table who die and are bought back.
    That's a ridiculous argument. You'd probably think the same way if I were to mention any of the known ancient figures who had died and come back to life. If those people on the operating table did die and came back to life, one would suppose they'd be able to tell us what it is like. From what I have read the most popular description of life after death involves a dark tunnel, a bright light and some smiling grandparents. This phenomena is thought to make the experience of dying pleasurable, or less stressful, and probably occurs at the point of death, or leading up to death, rather than after it. After death, one would assume there is oblivion since we don't have any independent knowledge about what is beyond that point. All our knowledge about life after death come from past cultures and are mainly rooted in superstitions rather than realities.

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