How did the universe 'start'
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How did the universe 'start'Did it even 'start'?
Are our minds just not capable of understanding or visualising something that has no beginning? Something that could just be an infinite continuum of time?
One thing that bothers me: whatever scientists come up with as their reason for the beginning of time or the universe, we can always question where that particular reason began itself.
Eg "the universe started because of the big bang"..."why did the big bang happen?"
"The big bang came from two colliding pieces of matter"..."Where did these pieces of matter come from?"....etc etc
I believe we can keep questioning every explanation for every explanation. There is no end. There is probably already a name for this theory but I call it the spiral theory!!
What does everyone think? Does anyone believe that one day scientists will find out where this spiral meets the ground?
Those of you who do, must have faith, as there is no scientific proof that we will achieve this one day. If you do have faith, are you any different from people who just have faith in God? (unless you already have faith in God lol) -
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Re: How did the universe 'start'I believe in a cyclic universe that has always existed. As in the universe expands until it can expand no more than shrinks until all matter is concentrated into the tiniest amount and then big bang and it starts all over again.
I can't get my head around anything to do with infinite/no time. -
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Re: How did the universe 'start'Where does gravity come from?big bang caused by a lot of gravity
Do you believe this is the case, even if you can't understand it?I can't get my head around anything to do with infinite/no time.
In other words, he doesn't know, lol!Asking what happened before the big bang is like asking what is north of the north pole. - Stephen Hawking -
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Re: How did the universe 'start'Yes(Original post by HuzafaKhan)
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Re: How did the universe 'start'Lol, could you please explain? So the big bang started time? Also, what caused the big bang? Was there a cause? Or did it just randomly 'happen'? If it just randomly 'happened' does that not defy the laws of particle physics, and as a result, everything else that science has proven? And if science has proven that the big bang happened (has it?), does that not mean it defies the big bang?(assuming science has proven it)..This all can't make sense...does it have to make sense? lolTime didn't exist before the big bang -
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Re: How did the universe 'start'It makes me wonder about god...(Original post by HuzafaKhan)
One thing that bothers me: whatever scientists come up with as their reason for the beginning of time or the universe, we can always question where that particular reason began itself.
Eg "the universe started because of the big bang"..."why did the big bang happen?"
"The big bang came from two colliding pieces of matter"..."Where did these pieces of matter come from?"....etc etc
I believe we can keep questioning every explanation for every explanation. There is no end. There is probably already a name for this theory but I call it the spiral theory!!
Person1: how did the universe begin?
Person2: god created it.
With your example, its more open to encouraging more thinking, more speculation, scrutinizing all the random theories until one that gives an appropriate explanation is left...
With my example, I'm not sure, I'd say it's less likely to get people thinking (even if you then say who created god, will it not end up with god being omni-this and omni-that?). With this it implies there is an end to the supposed spiral theory you call it... If there is an end, does that not discourage those to keep thinking?
In the past, if you were being a messy unhygenic person and you got sick from it, it would be easy for someone to say "god did this" because you're not nice or something and end the thinking instead of merely asking why did he get sick? Why did <insert factor> cause him to be sick?...it may generate even more questions but it encourages more thinking...
So in this sense, is not being able to find the end, really a bad thing?Last edited by Dmon1Unlimited; 23-09-2011 at 13:35. -
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Re: How did the universe 'start'Gravity is a force caused by objects of mass deforming the space-time fabric of the universe. The simple way of viewing it is the good old image of what the universe is. The flat surface with lines going in two directions perpendicular to each other. If you place the Earth on that fabric, it deforms the fabric by dipping into it. The effect of gravity is caused by this deformation.(Original post by HuzafaKhan)
Where does gravity come from?
For example, the Sun causes this deformation to a far greater extent than the Earth. The Earth actually rolls around the dip in the space-time fabric of the universe - that's it's orbit caused by gravity.
The Watch Maker Maker is actually two things. A Mummy and a Daddy who love each other very much.(Original post by HuzafaKhan)
True, but then there must be a watch maker MAKER? And then a watch maker maker MAKER? And so on? you see the dilemma....? lol
I think this whole view of what was before the universe is a very pedantic view on things. The Big Bang occurred when a hell of a lot of large gas clouds collided which each other, with the temperature rising as a result. This caused small rocks to form. These rocks had a higher magnitude gravity force than everything else and pulled everything towards them, resulting in these rocks getting bigger and bigger, forming planets.
A planet maker? Gas clouds, 14 billion years ago.
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Re: How did the universe 'start'Space and time are very much related. Before the big bang, there was no space, therefore no time. These days they are both part of the same thing (when you look at physics), called space-time.(Original post by HuzafaKhan)
Lol, could you please explain? So the big bang started time? Also, what caused the big bang? Was there a cause? Or did it just randomly 'happen'? If it just randomly 'happened' does that not defy the laws of particle physics, and as a result, everything else that science has proven? And if science has proven that the big bang happened (has it?), does that not mean it defies the big bang?(assuming science has proven it)..This all can't make sense...does it have to make sense? lol
Nobody knows what caused the big bang. The likely hood is we'll never know due to the currently known laws of physics breaking down to the point where the first "instant" of the big bang makes no scientific sense at all. As this is the case, anything before it becomes somewhat irrelevant as anything before the big band can have no effect on the universe after the big bang. So really, why look at that?
Particle physics in itself is often disproving of itself. Take a look in the news today and you'll see the potential discovery of being able to move faster than light - impossible with our current laws of physics. It's no surprise though, when everything is thought of as theory!
And no. The universe doesn't make any sense really. There's a marvellous quote in a sig on here that explains why, but I've no idea which user has it! -
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Re: How did the universe 'start'(Original post by HuzafaKhan)
Did it even 'start'?
Are our minds just not capable of understanding or visualising something that has no beginning? Something that could just be an infinite continuum of time?
One thing that bothers me: whatever scientists come up with as their reason for the beginning of time or the universe, we can always question where that particular reason began itself.
Eg "the universe started because of the big bang"..."why did the big bang happen?"
"The big bang came from two colliding pieces of matter"..."Where did these pieces of matter come from?"....etc etc
I believe we can keep questioning every explanation for every explanation. There is no end. There is probably already a name for this theory but I call it the spiral theory!!
What does everyone think? Does anyone believe that one day scientists will find out where this spiral meets the ground?
Those of you who do, must have faith, as there is no scientific proof that we will achieve this one day. If you do have faith, are you any different from people who just have faith in God? (unless you already have faith in God lol)
If you can be bothered to watch this video it explains everything quite well
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Re: How did the universe 'start'Our whole universe was in a hot dense state, then nearly fourteen billion years ago expansion started. Wait... The Earth began to cool, the autotrophs began to drool, Neanderthals developed tools, we built a wall (we built the pyramids). Maths, science, history, unravelling the mysteries, That all started with the big bang.
