[Retrodiction]

(Original post by HuzafaKhan)
Why did you mention science in the first place? You do realise that theories do not exist just in 'sceince'...

Because the big bang is a scientific theory. Sure, the word 'theory' exists in colloquial use, but applying such definitions to science, where it holds a different meaning, is a little silly. Now, still waiting for the justification for presuming a link between my knowledge of idea rankings in science and my supposed faith in science?

[HuzafaKhan]

(Original post by Retrodiction)
Because the big bang is a scientific theory. Sure, the word 'theory' exists in colloquial use, but applying such definitions to science, where it holds a different meaning, is a little silly. Now, still waiting for the justification for presuming a link between my knowledge of idea rankings in science and my supposed faith in science?

Ahh fair enough. I missed the fact that you were referring to the big bang in particular. In which case I apologise for jumping to conclusions about you!

But I am intrigued about your opinion in having "faith in science". I'd like to see what you think?

[Retrodiction]

(Original post by HuzafaKhan)
Ahh fair enough. I missed the fact that you were referring to the big bang in particular. In which case I apologise for jumping to conclusions about you!

But I am intrigued about your opinion in having "faith in science". I'd like to see what you think?

Not sure what you mean by it. Do you mean faith in the scientific method itself? This is what is usually meant by it, but I have to check just to make sure we're on the same level.

[Pen Island]

I think that the universe has just always existed and goes on forever...

[Aequat omnes cinis]

(Original post by HuzafaKhan)
As you will find from this reliable source, the fourth word in that article is 'theory'.

Read the first chapter of the Greatest Show on Earth and he (Richard Dawkins) will explain in great detail what "theory" means in this context. Whether or not it is a theory in the sense you are using is irrelevant, it is clearly far more logical and developed than the "theory" of intelligent design and thus is supported by anyone with half a brain.

[HuzafaKhan]

(Original post by Retrodiction)
Not sure what you mean by it. Do you mean faith in the scientific method itself? This is what is usually meant by it, but I have to check just to make sure we're on the same level.

Lol I think it is a good idea to check we are on the same level so we don't have to go into another debate our choices of literature!!

Yeah basically what I want to ask: do you believe that everything that science has proven to this day is the truth? Truth in the sense of how the universe and all its rules operate. Is the method of science correct? Will the method of science lead to the truth of the universe? And since science has not yet led to the truth of how the universe operates, do you have FAITH that one day it will?

[HuzafaKhan]

(Original post by Aequat omnes cinis)
Read the first chapter of the Greatest Show on Earth and he (Richard Dawkins) will explain in great detail what "theory" means in this context. Whether or not it is a theory in the sense you are using is irrelevant, it is clearly far more logical and developed than the "theory" of intelligent design and thus is supported by anyone with half a brain.

Ok, I will read it.

[Pride]

(Original post by mobius323)
Gravity is a force caused by objects of mass deforming the space-time fabric of the universe. The simple way of viewing it is the good old image of what the universe is. The flat surface with lines going in two directions perpendicular to each other. If you place the Earth on that fabric, it deforms the fabric by dipping into it. The effect of gravity is caused by this deformation.

For example, the Sun causes this deformation to a far greater extent than the Earth. The Earth actually rolls around the dip in the space-time fabric of the universe - that's it's orbit caused by gravity.




The Watch Maker Maker is actually two things. A Mummy and a Daddy who love each other very much.



I think this whole view of what was before the universe is a very pedantic view on things. The Big Bang occurred when a hell of a lot of large gas clouds collided which each other, with the temperature rising as a result. This caused small rocks to form. These rocks had a higher magnitude gravity force than everything else and pulled everything towards them, resulting in these rocks getting bigger and bigger, forming planets.

A planet maker? Gas clouds, 14 billion years ago.

where did the gas clouds come from 14 billion years ago?

[saleri]

[aljolson]

(Original post by fwed1)
I believe in a cyclic universe that has always existed. As in the universe expands until it can expand no more than shrinks until all matter is concentrated into the tiniest amount and then big bang and it starts all over again.

I can't get my head around anything to do with infinite/no time.

The universe is not expanding as a baloon expands, it is stretching. Of course it could stretch in a decreasing way. You cannot devolve time from space, so, if there is no space, time is meaningless.

[ednut]

(Original post by HuzafaKhan)
Did it even 'start'?

Are our minds just not capable of understanding or visualising something that has no beginning? Something that could just be an infinite continuum of time?

One thing that bothers me: whatever scientists come up with as their reason for the beginning of time or the universe, we can always question where that particular reason began itself.

Eg "the universe started because of the big bang"..."why did the big bang happen?"
"The big bang came from two colliding pieces of matter"..."Where did these pieces of matter come from?"....etc etc

I believe we can keep questioning every explanation for every explanation. There is no end. There is probably already a name for this theory but I call it the spiral theory!!

What does everyone think? Does anyone believe that one day scientists will find out where this spiral meets the ground?

Those of you who do, must have faith, as there is no scientific proof that we will achieve this one day. If you do have faith, are you any different from people who just have faith in God? (unless you already have faith in God lol)

its simple the universe has always existed there was no beggining, well at least thats what i think anyway. In a universe which people think has a beginning will inevitably lead to paradox so the only logical answers is it has always existed.

[HuzafaKhan]

(Original post by ednut)
its simple the universe has always existed there was no beggining, well at least thats what i think anyway. In a universe which people think has a beginning will inevitably lead to paradox so the only logical answers is it has always existed.

See thats the thing, I believe thats only what our minds are capable of thinking. There could actually be a beginning to time, or yet an even greater truth, just that we cannot comprehend it.

[ednut]

(Original post by HuzafaKhan)
See thats the thing, I believe thats only what our minds are capable of thinking. There could actually be a beginning to time, or yet an even greater truth, just that we cannot comprehend it.

hmmm ok... so lets say that the universe did have a beggining, then what triggered it to have that beggining and so, what greater truth could there be... god? then how could he have sprung into existance without a creator himself and so on? you see the dilemma here?

[the bear]

One day the Great Sky God was feeling hungry and stole some apples from the Snake God's orchard.
The apples did not agree with the Great Sky God and he went behind a rock to empty his bowels.
The vast explosion from the Celestial Rectum produced the raw materials for what is now the universe. The apple pips became the planets.

[HuzafaKhan]

(Original post by ednut)
hmmm ok... so lets say that the universe did have a beggining, then what triggered it to have that beggining and so, what greater truth could there be... god? then how could he have sprung into existance without a creator himself and so on? you see the dilemma here?

I agree with your point, and it ties in with the 'spiral theory' I mentioned in the first post. Its impossible for me, or anyone for that matter, to imagine or visualize a beginning of time. Its equally impossible to imagine no beginning to time.

I just wonder if we will ever be able to fully understand how the universe began, through concrete explanation and proof.