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    Hi everyone

    Today I had a phone call and a telephone interview from a graduate recruitment agency called "Pareto Law", apparently they specialists in recruiting graduates for sales positions...
    After a successful telephone interview I was asked to come to an assessment center which I accepted. Now... that's when my questions start

    Have any of you heard of this recruitment agency and if you have what are your views and experiences.
    I have read some very interesting reviews from people who attended and received employment but majority of them are hideously outraged with the company and its services.

    Anyone experienced or have heard anything about them?
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    Hi, I've had a call from them today and just like you read all the net reviews so am sceptical. Did you go on the assessment day in the end? I'd love to hear back from you if you did.
    Thanks
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    (Original post by Parcae)
    Hi everyone

    Today I had a phone call and a telephone interview from a graduate recruitment agency called "Pareto Law", apparently they specialists in recruiting graduates for sales positions...
    After a successful telephone interview I was asked to come to an assessment center which I accepted. Now... that's when my questions start

    Have any of you heard of this recruitment agency and if you have what are your views and experiences.
    I have read some very interesting reviews from people who attended and received employment but majority of them are hideously outraged with the company and its services.

    Anyone experienced or have heard anything about them?
    I went to an assessment day in 2009. Things might have changed since then.

    It was a fairly typical assessment centre. They are observing you from the moment you walk through the front door. They had someone with a clipboard recording notes even at the stage where you first walked in and shook hands with the greeter (presumed they were making notes on how well you presented yourself). There was an icebreaker (stand up and talk about your proudest accomplishment), then a couple of group tasks and a 2 minute presentation in front of an employee.

    They are very big on looking/acting the part of a sales professional. So dress smartly, be confident, assertive but not overbearing, talk up as much as you can whenever you have something intelligent to say.

    I wasn't successful (and thankfully so, as I realise now Sales is not my natural environment) but the feedback they gave was very detailed. I was quite impressed with the high quality of the feedback, which came in useful for subsequent interviews.
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    (Original post by Parcae)
    Hi everyone

    Today I had a phone call and a telephone interview from a graduate recruitment agency called "Pareto Law", apparently they specialists in recruiting graduates for sales positions...
    After a successful telephone interview I was asked to come to an assessment center which I accepted. Now... that's when my questions start

    Have any of you heard of this recruitment agency and if you have what are your views and experiences.
    I have read some very interesting reviews from people who attended and received employment but majority of them are hideously outraged with the company and its services.

    Anyone experienced or have heard anything about them?
    I had the same happen to me.. They were so impressed and that was wierd because I never impress anyone!! I was starting to think they were a fraud (seriously I never impress) and I didnt attend the open day because of it. It was all the way in Manchester with one bitchass train ticket, plus I dont think sales was for me. So to that end, If your going, then make sure sales is for you. Otherwise your wasting your time. Have fun
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    Hmmm, interesting, I really wish someone who'd done the assessment day, been successful and had a job with them would reply so we could find out if they follow through with what they're offering....I just don't want to waste my time!
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    More and more of these "all commission" sales jobs are springing up all over the place. There are so many of them now, making a HUGE proportion of the graduate labour force in this country. A LOT of Recruitment Consultant positions springing up, and Door to Door Sales, etc. And the saddest thing is the ridiculously high turnover of staff due to the quite frankly unsustainable working conditions. It's not so much that the job is difficult, it's that the job is not sustainable (even though it's pretty hard). Unless you are extremely good with rejection and can keep your morale high.
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    (Original post by AestheticOverload)
    More and more of these "all commission" sales jobs are springing up all over the place. There are so many of them now, making a HUGE proportion of the graduate labour force in this country. A LOT of Recruitment Consultant positions springing up, and Door to Door Sales, etc. And the saddest thing is the ridiculously high turnover of staff due to the quite frankly unsustainable working conditions. It's not so much that the job is difficult, it's that the job is not sustainable (even though it's pretty hard). Unless you are extremely good with rejection and can keep your morale high.
    Agreed. On Reed.co.uk it's all you see on the graduate jobs section, headhunter this, sales executive that, it's just the same job. They basically do what i do and contact companies and businesses asking for work. When i see a role that sounds good in a particular area, i google the place, eg acccountants in east peckham, and contact them all in that area, hoping to beat the snide recruitment agency at their game.
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    (Original post by AestheticOverload)
    More and more of these "all commission" sales jobs are springing up all over the place. There are so many of them now, making a HUGE proportion of the graduate labour force in this country. A LOT of Recruitment Consultant positions springing up, and Door to Door Sales, etc. And the saddest thing is the ridiculously high turnover of staff due to the quite frankly unsustainable working conditions. It's not so much that the job is difficult, it's that the job is not sustainable (even though it's pretty hard). Unless you are extremely good with rejection and can keep your morale high.
    I agree with this completely...the commission pay only jobs on the market is crazily high. It’s like they are trying to take advantage of desperate graduates looking for work. Pitiful. Although tbf recruitment is not only commission pay (they pay you a basic salary), but it is largely target driven. So if you don’t keep up to a set number of sales, you are screwed.
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    So here what happened...

    I came there 20 mins early, as I was approaching I saw 5-7 people waiting outside, dressed in smart attire, there I was thinking it was like a greeting group from the company to show where to go, NO it was the rest of the people attending for the assessment that are asked to wait outside. I buzzed in but was told I was very early so wait outside like the rest.
    So they fail on the first impression.

    After 10 minutes the doors opened and by that time there was around 20 of us standing outside. We were asked to line up and systematically were asked our names , meanwhile a girl was braking my hand trying to assert her non existent authority.
    After, I was greeted by another girl which without cracking a smile but with yet another hard hand shake , ordered me to my seat.
    There was around 40 of us.
    In comes the Sales Manager, all swagger and flashy , starts brainwashing us with crap like :" We do not have enough graduates for the jobs that they have". The job entails cold calling. Which during the telephone interview the first thing they told me that "it was no way a cold calling job". He then asked what was the meaning of Parato Law 80/20 and shook hand with the person who answered the history about the meaning of the name. Very selective .
    Next in alphabetical order we were asked to say our names where we were from , our star sign ( yes, star sign) and what was our greatest accomplishment. Before answering we were warned that education does not count as one of our achievements.
    Then we were divided into groups and taken to our first of two exersies which involved filling out a table which would work best for both teams which we had 8 minutes for. The stuff they observed was who takes the pen first, who speaks and who takes the order. To be honest with you all, the people i was in the group with were very nice, no one interrupted , very polite.
    Next exercise was to list the things in order of importance as though we were stranded on the Moon.
    Then we were taken to our presentations and mini interview. The mini interview consisted of them asking you which industry you want to work in and IF YOU HAVE ANY FRIENDS TO INTRODUCE.

    Overall the employees were rude , if you asked to go to the toilet you were greeted with a disappointed look and were asked to hold it until the brake that never came. They did not offer even water, the simplest of things! I am not even asking for food or a vending machine!

    The most interesting part was the way they revealed if you were successful or not. Very X-Factor!
    We were divided into three groups and were asked to follow people into the room where you were either asked to leave the premises as you were unsuccessful because they felt there was no "potential".

    My take on this company:
    I did alot of research about them and the reviews were horrific, it seems that the more BS you said the better the outcome was for you.

    The whole thing felt like a circus, starting from dumm ass bimboes that were looking down on you ( clearly are there for the guys) but if you asked them something simple like what would be the next stage of the process , you were met with a lost look and were told to sit down.
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    (Original post by Parcae)
    So here what happened...

    I came there 20 mins early, as I was approaching I saw 5-7 people waiting outside, dressed in smart attire, there I was thinking it was like a greeting group from the company to show where to go, NO it was the rest of the people attending for the assessment that are asked to wait outside. I buzzed in but was told I was very early so wait outside like the rest.
    So they fail on the first impression.

    After 10 minutes the doors opened and by that time there was around 20 of us standing outside. We were asked to line up and systematically were asked our names , meanwhile a girl was braking my hand trying to assert her non existent authority.
    After, I was greeted by another girl which without cracking a smile but with yet another hard hand shake , ordered me to my seat.
    There was around 40 of us.
    In comes the Sales Manager, all swagger and flashy , starts brainwashing us with crap like :" We do not have enough graduates for the jobs that they have". The job entails cold calling. Which during the telephone interview the first thing they told me that "it was no way a cold calling job". He then asked what was the meaning of Parato Law 80/20 and shook hand with the person who answered the history about the meaning of the name. Very selective .
    Next in alphabetical order we were asked to say our names where we were from , our star sign ( yes, star sign) and what was our greatest accomplishment. Before answering we were warned that education does not count as one of our achievements.
    Then we were divided into groups and taken to our first of two exersies which involved filling out a table which would work best for both teams which we had 8 minutes for. The stuff they observed was who takes the pen first, who speaks and who takes the order. To be honest with you all, the people i was in the group with were very nice, no one interrupted , very polite.
    Next exercise was to list the things in order of importance as though we were stranded on the Moon.
    Then we were taken to our presentations and mini interview. The mini interview consisted of them asking you which industry you want to work in and IF YOU HAVE ANY FRIENDS TO INTRODUCE.

    Overall the employees were rude , if you asked to go to the toilet you were greeted with a disappointed look and were asked to hold it until the brake that never came. They did not offer even water, the simplest of things! I am not even asking for food or a vending machine!

    The most interesting part was the way they revealed if you were successful or not. Very X-Factor!
    We were divided into three groups and were asked to follow people into the room where you were either asked to leave the premises as you were unsuccessful because they felt there was no "potential".

    My take on this company:
    I did alot of research about them and the reviews were horrific, it seems that the more BS you said the better the outcome was for you.

    The whole thing felt like a circus, starting from dumm ass bimboes that were looking down on you ( clearly are there for the guys) but if you asked them something simple like what would be the next stage of the process , you were met with a lost look and were told to sit down.
    Nice
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    (Original post by Parcae)
    So here what happened...

    I came there 20 mins early, as I was approaching I saw 5-7 people waiting outside, dressed in smart attire, there I was thinking it was like a greeting group from the company to show where to go, NO it was the rest of the people attending for the assessment that are asked to wait outside. I buzzed in but was told I was very early so wait outside like the rest.
    So they fail on the first impression.

    After 10 minutes the doors opened and by that time there was around 20 of us standing outside. We were asked to line up and systematically were asked our names , meanwhile a girl was braking my hand trying to assert her non existent authority.
    After, I was greeted by another girl which without cracking a smile but with yet another hard hand shake , ordered me to my seat.
    There was around 40 of us.
    In comes the Sales Manager, all swagger and flashy , starts brainwashing us with crap like :" We do not have enough graduates for the jobs that they have". The job entails cold calling. Which during the telephone interview the first thing they told me that "it was no way a cold calling job". He then asked what was the meaning of Parato Law 80/20 and shook hand with the person who answered the history about the meaning of the name. Very selective .
    Next in alphabetical order we were asked to say our names where we were from , our star sign ( yes, star sign) and what was our greatest accomplishment. Before answering we were warned that education does not count as one of our achievements.
    Then we were divided into groups and taken to our first of two exersies which involved filling out a table which would work best for both teams which we had 8 minutes for. The stuff they observed was who takes the pen first, who speaks and who takes the order. To be honest with you all, the people i was in the group with were very nice, no one interrupted , very polite.
    Next exercise was to list the things in order of importance as though we were stranded on the Moon.
    Then we were taken to our presentations and mini interview. The mini interview consisted of them asking you which industry you want to work in and IF YOU HAVE ANY FRIENDS TO INTRODUCE.

    Overall the employees were rude , if you asked to go to the toilet you were greeted with a disappointed look and were asked to hold it until the brake that never came. They did not offer even water, the simplest of things! I am not even asking for food or a vending machine!

    The most interesting part was the way they revealed if you were successful or not. Very X-Factor!
    We were divided into three groups and were asked to follow people into the room where you were either asked to leave the premises as you were unsuccessful because they felt there was no "potential".

    My take on this company:
    I did alot of research about them and the reviews were horrific, it seems that the more BS you said the better the outcome was for you.

    The whole thing felt like a circus, starting from dumm ass bimboes that were looking down on you ( clearly are there for the guys) but if you asked them something simple like what would be the next stage of the process , you were met with a lost look and were told to sit down.

    thanks for taking the time to give us your experience, was very interesting and a good read. so glad i didn't apply for their job a few months ago, they sound like utter bellends
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    Hi Everyone,

    I thought I'd take the time just to put my 2 cents in. I went to the assessment day at Pareto Law and was successful and have now been placed in a brilliant job.
    My friend who previously went through Pareto themselves suggested I go through them.
    I think people need to take the assessment day with a pinch of salt the whole idea of the day is to see how you work within a variety of situations. The staff I met with were really helpful and prepared me well for the day.
    People saying its a scam are obviously lying as you just have to look at the companies they work with to see that isn't true.

    Once I was successful I was placed 2/3 weeks after my assessment day with company that organize conferences and I am really loving it.

    I feel that the negative reviews are coming from those who are slightly bitter from being unsuccessful on the day. This isn't a detriment to them but shows perhaps sales wasn't the right career choice for them.

    I have nothing but good things to say about Pareto and would recommend the highly if your looking for professional, fast paced and well paid job. (p.s none of the clients they work with offer commission only salary)

    Hope this helps
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    (Original post by cheesysmile)
    Hi Everyone,

    I thought I'd take the time just to put my 2 cents in. I went to the assessment day at Pareto Law and was successful and have now been placed in a brilliant job.
    My friend who previously went through Pareto themselves suggested I go through them.
    I think people need to take the assessment day with a pinch of salt the whole idea of the day is to see how you work within a variety of situations. The staff I met with were really helpful and prepared me well for the day.
    People saying its a scam are obviously lying as you just have to look at the companies they work with to see that isn't true.

    Once I was successful I was placed 2/3 weeks after my assessment day with company that organize conferences and I am really loving it.

    I feel that the negative reviews are coming from those who are slightly bitter from being unsuccessful on the day. This isn't a detriment to them but shows perhaps sales wasn't the right career choice for them.

    I have nothing but good things to say about Pareto and would recommend the highly if your looking for professional, fast paced and well paid job. (p.s none of the clients they work with offer commission only salary)

    Hope this helps
    really? i was under the impression it's a commission only job.
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    (Original post by cheesysmile)
    Hi Everyone,

    I thought I'd take the time just to put my 2 cents in. I went to the assessment day at Pareto Law and was successful and have now been placed in a brilliant job.
    My friend who previously went through Pareto themselves suggested I go through them.
    I think people need to take the assessment day with a pinch of salt the whole idea of the day is to see how you work within a variety of situations. The staff I met with were really helpful and prepared me well for the day.
    People saying its a scam are obviously lying as you just have to look at the companies they work with to see that isn't true.

    Once I was successful I was placed 2/3 weeks after my assessment day with company that organize conferences and I am really loving it.

    I feel that the negative reviews are coming from those who are slightly bitter from being unsuccessful on the day. This isn't a detriment to them but shows perhaps sales wasn't the right career choice for them.

    I have nothing but good things to say about Pareto and would recommend the highly if your looking for professional, fast paced and well paid job. (p.s none of the clients they work with offer commission only salary)

    Hope this helps

    You obviously feel very strongly about this company so much so that you took time to register just to give your response right after mine, which was my account of the day. You obviously missed the fact that I did research on your employers, oops sorry , your agency and I found that with every real account of the assessment day, a post, very similar to yours comes right after.
    Do you want me to list some websites?

    Now, lets address the point if I am bitter being unsuccessful on the day or not.
    If you read my post I wrote it in a descriptive way, saying what came after what and at what stage so that readers can assess my experiences.

    Oh, and one more thing.
    From reading your post i am 100% sure that you work for Parato Law and that isnt too hard to identify, your using same language and same buzz words" pinch of salf" and "This isn't a detriment to them but shows perhaps sales wasn't the right career choice for them." Answers which i got when I addressed your poor reviews on the day.

    The fact that we were told to leave our university qualifications at the doors only shows that you dont need their brain you need their tongue and mouth. You dont need thinkers and grate minds they need people with wagging tongues whos capability is to pick up the phone and make cold calls and that capability will have to end there as any interest you generate is snatched by your manager.
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    Parcae, thanks for replying! So was the assessment day a Pareto law one or was it for a specific roll/company?

    To be honest I'm considering going along to the assessment day anyway on the basis that I've never done one and would quite like to see what its like..... Worst case scenario I'll have wasted a little money on the train

    A couple more questions:
    1. Should you bring your own lunch then?
    2. Was it evenly split with roughly the same amount of men and women?
    3. Did everyone (grads) look like clones....all men in black trouser suits and women in skirt suits?
    4. If it seems to be heading the same direction as yours did towards the middle of the day would you recommend leaving and just enjoying the day off work instead?
    5. Did the people that were successful seem like they were going to take the job after all that or did you not get a chance to ask?

    Thanks

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    they are training you and then place you in positions when they come up but from my experience more people quit than actually get jobs through pareto

    basically it goes
    apply
    they phone everyone that applies because the callers (graduates) need the training in how to do phone interviews
    they invite those who sound normal on the phone to assessment day (basically every day they do assessment days because again their employees who are graduates need training on how to do them)
    they then offer you a job where you are the person who sifts through applications and call people to do phone interviews and you are rotated into the assessment days too

    pareto works with companies who want good sales people or HR staff who are good at the grunt work of sifting through CVs and telephone interviews. so they recommend their own staff for these positions and they say you are trained and give you a reference.
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    Interesting, I think that's the type of assessment I'll be on, but a friend of a friend said he'd been offered a specific roll in a specific company (still sales though I think...) and that the interviews were at the offices of the company the job was in (i.e. not Pareto, but the people who are using Pareto as a rec agency) so maybe that's better? But then again I suppose you'll end up in that position if you were sucessful at a Pareto assessment day too eventually if what you're saying is right.
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    (Original post by Gemmab1988)
    Parcae, thanks for replying! So was the assessment day a Pareto law one or was it for a specific roll/company?

    To be honest I'm considering going along to the assessment day anyway on the basis that I've never done one and would quite like to see what its like..... Worst case scenario I'll have wasted a little money on the train

    A couple more questions:
    1. Should you bring your own lunch then?
    2. Was it evenly split with roughly the same amount of men and women?
    3. Did everyone (grads) look like clones....all men in black trouser suits and women in skirt suits?
    4. If it seems to be heading the same direction as yours did towards the middle of the day would you recommend leaving and just enjoying the day off work instead?
    5. Did the people that were successful seem like they were going to take the job after all that or did you not get a chance to ask?

    Thanks

    Thanks
    AFAIK, Pareto are a recruitment agency (although they do sometimes take on people who pass through the assessment centre, the majority will be working at other companies). They use the interview and assessment centre as a screening process to get the people they think have potential to sell well for their clients. The vast majority of successful candidates will not end up working at Pareto- they will work for other companies under Pareto's employment (in other words, they will be contract workers).

    You should definitely go to the assessment day just to use it as practice and for the experience if nothing else. You are sure to meet a range of interesting people there. Whether you choose to leave or not is up to you- personally I wouldn't as it comes off as very unprofessional.

    There was a roughly 50/50 split gender wise and everyone was 'cloned'- that's the sales uniform and it's only reasonable to expect candidates to dress professionally.

    Just relax, be yourself, and see what happens. Also don't be disheartened if you are unsuccessful- it doesn't mean you are not suited to a sales career but just not for the sales roles that Pareto recruit for. I was subsequently offered an excellent (salaried) position through another company despite failing the assessment day (my feedback was that I had some strengths but wasn't assertive enough- it seems Pareto are looking for the 'stereotypical' uber-confident, pushy, driven sales type people).
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    (Original post by Parcae)
    You obviously feel very strongly about this company so much so that you took time to register just to give your response right after mine, which was my account of the day. You obviously missed the fact that I did research on your employers, oops sorry , your agency and I found that with every real account of the assessment day, a post, very similar to yours comes right after.
    Do you want me to list some websites?

    Now, lets address the point if I am bitter being unsuccessful on the day or not.
    If you read my post I wrote it in a descriptive way, saying what came after what and at what stage so that readers can assess my experiences.

    Oh, and one more thing.
    From reading your post i am 100% sure that you work for Parato Law and that isnt too hard to identify, your using same language and same buzz words" pinch of salf" and "This isn't a detriment to them but shows perhaps sales wasn't the right career choice for them." Answers which i got when I addressed your poor reviews on the day.

    The fact that we were told to leave our university qualifications at the doors only shows that you dont need their brain you need their tongue and mouth. You dont need thinkers and grate minds they need people with wagging tongues whos capability is to pick up the phone and make cold calls and that capability will have to end there as any interest you generate is snatched by your manager.
    This seems a little harsh. Pareto only bring in those with a 2.1 to their assessment days (or at least, they used to) and so everyone has the same baseline academic credentials. When they asked us what our biggest achievements were, they told us not to mention anything academic for the specific reason they are interested in people who can show they have had success in other areas of life. This is not really any different from the majority of graduate recruiters, most of whom are looking for well-rounded people who have additional skills to offer besides academic ability.

    The MD was at our assessment day and I distinctly remember the interest he took in each person's speech about their greatest/proudest achievement. He seemed far more impressed about and approving of the achievements of those who were self-starters and had obtained something without any outside help.

    Cold calling is a big part of most sales jobs and not an easy job to do- you do need to be good with your mouth but that doesn't mean that you can leave your brains at the door. Everyone who goes to an assessment centre has the minimum level of brain function required. They therefore want to find out what else you have to offer.
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    (Original post by Gemmab1988)
    Parcae, thanks for replying! So was the assessment day a Pareto law one or was it for a specific roll/company?

    To be honest I'm considering going along to the assessment day anyway on the basis that I've never done one and would quite like to see what its like..... Worst case scenario I'll have wasted a little money on the train

    A couple more questions:
    1. Should you bring your own lunch then?
    2. Was it evenly split with roughly the same amount of men and women?
    3. Did everyone (grads) look like clones....all men in black trouser suits and women in skirt suits?
    4. If it seems to be heading the same direction as yours did towards the middle of the day would you recommend leaving and just enjoying the day off work instead?
    5. Did the people that were successful seem like they were going to take the job after all that or did you not get a chance to ask?

    Thanks

    Thanks
    The assessment was just to have Parato Law represent you , so although I applied to a specific sales role that was just "advertisement" and they place you as they see fit into small companies. Although they name drop "BT, J&J" you are not necessarily are going to be placed there but rather in small company doing IT sales.
    If you haven't done an assessment day ever then go , have a look and experience whats its like, but keep in mind that majority of assessment days that I went to was nothing like i experienced at Parato.

    Questions:
    1) Lunch, you can but im afraid you either will be asked to put it away or asked to wait until the end. I just had a water on me and that I couldn't drink quickly enough.
    2)There was a 7:24 women:men.
    3) Yes, everyone looked like clones, you are asked to be dressed smartly. The Sales Manager was telling us a story of a candidate which came into the assessment day with a pony tail and was asked to leave.
    4)Since you haven't had any assessment day experience then stay. Either way i would have stayed, its rude to leave and if they are behaving in an unpleasant behavior then doesn't mean that i should do the same. Keep calm.
    5) To be honest with you we were asked to leave very soon and haven't had the chance to see who was successful. But the people that I spoke to that left in two separate groups seem like they will take the job but they had standards.

    I have to address a point on the candidates which I seem like haven't done yet, in many reviews that Ive read they were very negatively addressed. I felt that the people that were there were genuenly looking for a job, and like any of us today are desperate to cling onto something. They were very nice people, i spoke with majority of them and I couldn't fault them.

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