The most evil female Briton ever?
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Re: The most evil female Briton ever?What??? Ever heard of Ulster plantation?(Original post by Batmonkey)
Mary I had just over 280 executed and Elizabeth I only executed those Catholics that threatened her so that's hardly hundreds of thousands. Mary Queen of Scots was a great threat to Elizabeth's crown and there was great reluctance to do it.
So in ternms of monarchy, it is definetely Elizabeth I and I would also nominate Anne Boleyn, her mother. -
Re: The most evil female Briton ever?Erm.....why?(Original post by Cynthi007)
What??? Ever heard of Ulster plantation?
So in ternms of monarchy, it is definetely Elizabeth I and I would also nominate Anne Boleyn, her mother.
Also, Elizabeth I's foreign policy acts in regards to Ulster were pretty standard for the day when dealing with mass uprisings.
Burning countless people at the stake for their religion is far worse. -
Re: The most evil female Briton ever?the Catholics in Ireland were banned and stripped off their lands, money and rights during these plantations. they were banned in unfertile areas.(Original post by KimKallstrom)
Erm.....why?
Also, Elizabeth I's foreign policy acts in regards to Ulster were pretty standard for the day when dealing with mass uprisings.
Burning countless people at the stake for their religion is far worse.
Her father started plundering convents, she burned them.
Anne Boleyn:
knew that Catherine of Aragon was banned to a rotten castle to die there all alone. she did not care and flattered fat Henry until he married her and broke up with the Pope for this woman. she knew it and she supported him strongly. -
Re: The most evil female Briton ever?Again, common for the time. What she did wasn't even the worst thing that a European leader was doing at the time.(Original post by Cynthi007)
the Catholics in Ireland were banned and stripped off their lands, money and rights during these plantations. they were banned in unfertile areas.
Her father started plundering convents, she burned them.
Anne Boleyn:
knew that Catherine of Aragon was banned to a rotten castle to die there all alone. she did not care and flattered fat Henry until he married her and broke up with the Pope for this woman. she knew it and she supported him strongly.
Oh, so someone who didn't really care that her husband's ex was sent to a castle to live out the rest of her days while she was becoming queen? This is worse than Mary burning countless at the stake for literally no reason other than their religion?
Or being a serial killer? Madness. -
Re: The most evil female Briton ever?I think it is hard to develop a hierarchy or evil.(Original post by KimKallstrom)
Again, common for the time. What she did wasn't even the worst thing that a European leader was doing at the time.
Oh, so someone who didn't really care that her husband's ex was sent to a castle to live out the rest of her days while she was becoming queen? This is worse than Mary burning countless at the stake for literally no reason other than their religion?
Or being a serial killer? Madness.
Hard to judge cruelty in religion. they did loads of evil things under the guise of God. -
Re: The most evil female Briton ever?You really need to brush up on your history!(Original post by Zhane Kelly)
Must be either Queen Mary or Elizabeth the 1st. During their reign, hundreds of thousands of people were burned or killed because of their religious beliefs. Elizabeth had two of her lovers executed when she found that they were dating other women. She also ordered the execution of the 1st cousin because was supposed to be the next hier after Queen Mary. -
Re: The most evil female Briton ever?Hardly deserves the title of "most evil female Briton ever"!(Original post by Cynthi007)
Anne Boleyn:
knew that Catherine of Aragon was banned to a rotten castle to die there all alone. she did not care and flattered fat Henry until he married her and broke up with the Pope for this woman. she knew it and she supported him strongly.
I'd actually say Jane Seymour was worse - Knowing that her predecessor was to be executed on trumped up charges of adultery, while Jane picked out her wedding clothes! But honestly, I can't blame either of them - Women had to make their way in a world ruled by powerful men. Both played their game and played it well. The difference between them is that Anne actually made a difference in Henry's religious policy, pushing for reformation and a break from a corrupt and superstitious Church.
Funny how many Catherine of Aragon supporters lay the blame solely at Anne's door when the bad treatment came from Henry himself. He was actually planning to re-marry before Anne even came into the equation - Wolsey wanted a French marriage. -
Re: The most evil female Briton ever?How on earth did you ever stumble on such an old thread? xD(Original post by fliegendehollander)
Dolores Umbridge. -
Re: The most evil female Briton ever?I don't really see how it's unfortunate that the fact she was an elitist cow is widly acknowledged.(Original post by dnumberwang)
Someone is going to say Thatcher. Unfortunate, but it's bound to happen -
Re: The most evil female Briton ever?I'm not a conservative voter, nor a fan of Thatcher... but you must live a very sheltered life if you think she is the most evil Briton in history. Have you seen some of the serial killers we've had?(Original post by dulciemae)
I don't really see how it's unfortunate that the fact she was an elitist cow is widly acknowledged.
Heck, our previous Monarchies trump Thatcher when you consider they have been directly involved in killing an incalculable number of people, starting wars, pillaging lands, destroying cultures.
Thatcher is a puppy compared to the likes of Elizabeth the first or Myra Hindley! -
Re: The most evil female Briton ever?(Original post by J'adoreMaCachette)
Myra Hindley?(Original post by ch0llima)
Myra Hindley or Rose West. If I had to decide who was worse, I'd definitely choose Rose.(Original post by Panda Bear)
Myra Hindley came to mind first. Followed by Margret Thatcher for some reason.Just been reading about Myra and Rose on Wikipedia and was interesting to find out that both women suffered some form of abuse (psychological/violence & sexual/violence respectively) when they were young.(Original post by A Mysterious Lord)
Choosing between Myra Hindley and Rose West is like deciding between which is worse, rabies or smallpox?
However, they both had underlying mental conditions and other influences, and both are old news, therefore I make them joint second and my nomination is Tracey Connolly. -
Re: The most evil female Briton ever?Exactly. Saying Thatcher is the most evil person in Briton is like saying a kitten can kill a dog; it might, but low probability it could.(Original post by Welsh_insomniac)
I'm not a conservative voter, nor a fan of Thatcher... but you must live a very sheltered life if you think she is the most evil Briton in history. Have you seen some of the serial killers we've had?
Heck, our previous Monarchies trump Thatcher when you consider they have been directly involved in killing an incalculable number of people, starting wars, pillaging lands, destroying cultures.
Thatcher is a puppy compared to the likes of Elizabeth the first or Myra Hindley! -
Re: The most evil female Briton ever?I got a warning for bumping a 3 week old thread, and this thread, no warnings. Ah, TSR(Original post by Tommyjw)
How on earth did you ever stumble on such an old thread? xD