[Indo-Chinese Food]

(Original post by Clip)
This says it all. It takes you to the age of 60 to get to the top of your game in Tai Chi.

Even if it's true, it's neither efficient, practical nor effective.

Everything else in life whether it be boxing, rowing, running, mathematics or race car driving has you peaking in your late youth, or very early middle age at the very latest.

What's the point in training in something that takes you 50 years to be any good at?

And for the record.....Dim Mak belongs in the same category as Klingons, Harry Potter and the X-men. It's pure fantasy.

Did i advocate you taking up Tai Chi Chuan? or are you jsut being a bit dim.
Re-read my original post - i was clarifying for the ignorant fellow earlier who didnt understand what tai chi chuan as a combat systme was about. Not that i was a practictioner or advocated it as something a teenager who want s to learn how to punch someone in the face. As i said my recomendation for a good system is dependant on what the OP wants to achive and most of the ones mentions have their attributes and ive seen plenty of top end guys in different systems like bjj, muay thai etc like Buakaw pramuk (saw him fight in japan). My recommendation would be for Wing Tsun in a good school. Martial arts isnt about competing in the ufc, which is just a sanitised sport.

As regards dim mak, im not about teaching this stuff to forum trolls, like i said to the other troll, im fine with you having that opinion, though id reckon its based on you watching too many movies

[PendulumBoB]

(Original post by Einheri)
Ha, he's on to the Dim Mak now. You're talking so much bull it's unbelievable.

I dunno; there's a lot of bull**** mixed in (Chi points etc), but I suppose if this were to be approached from a more "Western" (I hate such that term in this context) mindset, maybe it's about attacking certain points associated with bloodflow/lymph nodes etc.

[SarahM94]

Chai tea

oh sorry I meant tai chi

[Einheri]

(Original post by Indo-Chinese Food)
As regards dim mak, im not about teaching this stuff to forum trolls, like i said to the other troll, im fine with you having that opinion, though id reckon its based on you watching too many movies

Uh-huh, having mentioned that you take Dim Mak seriously, and have even studied it, puts you on the same level as this guy:



Have fun with that.

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Ip Man. Wing Chun.

[Indo-Chinese Food]

(Original post by Einheri)
Uh-huh, having mentioned that you take Dim Mak seriously, and have even studied it, puts you the same level as this guy:


Have fun with that.

Of course. Almost a predictable reaction, given that not much more than 60 years ago westerners (such as yourself) also disregarded oriental and asian fighting forms such as ju jitsu, muay tai, karate, kung fu as clap-trap. And who now rabidly embrace all as the greatest fighting systems ever whilst drooling over sweaty half naked men in a cage practicing variants of the same ancient systems.
what a dim wit you are

[Einheri]

(Original post by Indo-Chinese Food)
Of course. Almost a predictable reaction, given that not much more than 60 years ago westerners (such as yourself) also disregarded oriental and asian fighting forms such as ju jitsu, muay tai, karate, kung fu as clap-trap. And who now rabidly embrace all as the greatest fighting systems ever whilst drooling over sweaty half naked men in a cage practicing variants of the same ancient systems.
what a dim wit you are

Umm, I don't know where you get that from considering Judo established itself in Europe and the Americas well within Kano Jigoro's lifetime; in 1912 Judo was represented in the Olympic Games. To say that the West rejected all things Asian sixty years ago is drivel.
What a dim Dim Mak-er you are.

[Indo-Chinese Food]

(Original post by Einheri)
Umm, I don't know where you get that from considering Judo established itself in Europe and the Americas well within Kano Jigoro's lifetime; in 1912 Judo was represented in the Olympic Games. To say that the West rejected all things Asian sixty years ago is drivel.
What a dim Dim Mak-er you are.

nobody had mentioned judo till you did just now - and even so, it was hardly widespread in europe in 1912, compared to modern day. I can see you are having the typical troll-esq difficulty in reading - not "all things asian", but simply asian martial arts. It was the fault of bruce lee and before him sonny chiba and co that actually popularised martial arts in america, and therefore britain, around 60 years ago and allowed the eras dimwit equivalents of yourself to suddenly reverse their opinions, having discovered a more exotic way of punching someone in the face in kung fu movies made for the drivelling public. The UFC is the natural progression of this entertainment/combat sports for the retards of the tv/youtube generation. who think dim mak is a mystical technique ninjas use in movies. Im afraid you will understand less than 1% about any martial art principle i talk about here from hollywood/ hong kong cinema or hicks like dana white.

[Einheri]

(Original post by Indo-Chinese Food)
nobody had mentioned judo till you did just now - and even so, it was hardly widespread in europe in 1912, compared to modern day. I can see you are having the typical troll-esq difficulty in reading - not "all things asian", but simply asian martial arts. It was the fault of bruce lee and before him sonny chiba and co that actually popularised martial arts in america, and therefore britain, around 60 years ago and allowed the eras dimwit equivalents of yourself to suddenly reverse their opinions, having discovered a more exotic way of punching someone in the face in kung fu movies made for the drivelling public. The UFC is the natural progression of this entertainment/combat sports for the retards of the tv/youtube generation. Im afraid you will understand than 1% about any martial art principle i talk about here from hollywood/ hong kong cinema or hicks like dana white.

You said "Asian martial arts", Judo is both Asian (being Japanese) and a martial art. It may not have been widespread but that doesn't mean it was rejected in any way by the West; it being in the Olympics evidences this. You keep going on about the UFC but I hardly ever watch it, being more interested in pure grappling, MMA has, however, shown itself to be a proving ground for martial arts; the ones that work well have flourished and the ones that are inferior have been left to the LARPing basement-dwellers like yourself who think that they have "1337 chi powr!!!1".

[Indo-Chinese Food]

(Original post by Einheri)
You said "Asian martial arts", Judo is both Asian (being Japanese) and a martial art. It may not have been widespread but that doesn't mean it was rejected in any way by the West; it being in the Olympics evidences this. You keep going on about the UFC but I hardly ever watch it, being more interested in pure grappling, MMA has, however, shown itself to be a proving ground for martial arts; the ones that work well have flourished and the ones that are inferior have been left to the LARPing basement-dwellers like yourself who think that they have "1337 chi powr!!!1".

Judo entered the Olympics as a sporting event not a martial art, which proves nothing, Britain will have a hand ball team in the next Olympics, yet hardly anyone in the country has ever played it. Point still remains that the west used to believe western style boxing to be superior as a combat form in all cases- simply becuase they had no knowledge, understanding, or a clue about principles of most of the Asian martial arts that you now religiously follow today - typically hypocritical - something you have A. no experence of B no cranial capacity to understand cant be worth anything

What does MMA mean? is it a martial art? it just means Mixed Martial Arts, it isnt a style of its own, it just applies principles of different systems together - you dont think martial artists having been doing that for decades before the advent of televised inter-martial arts sports When UFC kicked off MMA in the US everyone assumed the larger boxers and wrestlers would dominate and were shown clueless when an relatively unfancied brazilian beat everyone with his gi-jj system. This just proved the wannabe martial arist fantasists like you know f-all about actual implementation of martial systems. Only a retard would base any knowledge of martial art son MMA competions, not just ufc - they are so far removed from real-life martial combat its laughable- no wonder i cant take you seriously

[Einheri]

(Original post by Indo-Chinese Food)
Judo entered the Olympics as a sporting event not a martial art, which proves nothing, Britain will have a hand ball team in the next Olympics, yet hardly anyone in the country has ever played it. Point still remains that the west used to believe western style boxing to be superior as a combat form in all cases- simply becuase they had no knowledge, understanding, or a clue about principles of most of the Asian martial arts that you now religiously follow today - typically hypocritical - something you have A. no experence of B no cranial capacity to understand cant be worth anything

What does MMA mean? is it a martial art? it just means Mixed Martial Arts, it isnt a style of its own, it just applies principles of different systems together - you dont think martial artists having been doing that for decades before the advent of televised inter-martial arts sports When UFC kicked off MMA in the US everyone assumed the larger boxers and wrestlers would dominate and were shown clueless when an unknown brazilian beat everyone with his gi-jj system. This just proved the wannabe martial arist fantasits like you know f-all about actual implentation of martial systems. Only a retard would base any knowledge of martial art son MMA competions, not just ufc - they are so far removed from real-life martial combat its laughable- no wonder i cant take you seriously

Judo is a martial art and has always been, Kano never presented it as anything else. Boxing is in the Olympics that doesn't mean it isn't a martial art. "Judo is the study of techniques with which you may kill if you wish to kill, injure if you wish to injure, subdue if you wish to subdue, and, when attacked, defend yourself" ~ Kano Jigoro

MMA today is the philosophy of cross-training and mixed-style sparring, as well as certain rulesets for competition. Originally MMA was style versus style. Wrestlers had a lot of success - Ken Shamrock as an example is a catch wrestler who was very succesful. The main thing that the early MMA bouts proved was: pure grappling beats pure striking 90% of the time, modern MMA has shown that a combination of both makes for the most successful fighter. And no MMA did not begin with the UFC. Vale Tudo (Portugese for "anything goes") was fought in Brazil before the UFC even existed and prior to that Maeda Mitsuyo had gone around challenging wrestlers and boxers to prizefights. Go back even further and the ancient Greeks practiced Pankration - boxing mixed with wrestling. I don't see how you can get a better test of the worth of different martial arts than pitting them against eachother. I really hope you one day get into a situation where you have to use your Dim Mak and Wing Chun - you can meditate on how much they suck while you're recovering in hospital.

[Indo-Chinese Food]

(Original post by Einheri)


And no MMA did not begin with the UFC. Vale Tudo (Portugese for "anything goes") was fought in Brazil before the UFC even existed and prior to that Maeda Mitsuyo had gone around challenging wrestlers and boxers to prizefights. Go back even further and the ancient Greeks practiced Pankration - boxing mixed with wrestling. I don't see how you can get a better test of the worth of different martial arts than pitting them against eachother. I really hope you one day get into a situation where you have to use your Dim Mak and Wing Chun - you can meditate on how much they suck while you're recovering in hospital.

Again its difficult to have this debate with someone who has the reading skills of a 5 year old - didnt i just tell YOU in my earlier post that martial artists have been competing inter-style decades before any MMA tournement was televised, why are you just repeating the point i made? MMA being a westernised buzz word - Vale Tudo as you refer is totally different to 'MMA' given that MMA is nothing like genuine combat because of tv requirements, extra rules for fighter safety and banning of various techniques taught in free form martial arts. Genuine combat is not pretty, astetique, fair, timely or even exciting- which makes for rubbish tv - hence why the americans pushed watered-down MMA to moronic wannabe martial arts fantasists like you knowing they would lap it up. Vale Tudo, as the name suggests has far less restriction, which is the same way most (proper) martial schools teach their systems. You wouldnt have one clue about any of this of course. Hence the difference between a sport ( what you do ) and an actual evolved martial art - if im studying a martial art, the techniques i will most readily use are always to cause as much damage to you, the attacker, in as little time as possible. None of which is allowed in your precious MMA. And this can be accomplished in many ways- none of which you will never read about on wikipeda or see on downloaded MMA clips.

Touch wood ,wing tsun has worked for me and ive plenty of muay thai and boxing mates i regularly spar with. I suggest you make you feelings known to the general public in person instead of from the inside your bedroom- really, walk around any major city in europe, us or east asia chanting 'Wing Tsun sucks' - im pretty sure youll find out first hand what im talking about from someone, in fact im sure of it as my scoiety alone has 45 differnet affiliate schools . Then you can have a think about what has just been explained to you - in aforementioned hospital bed

[Indo-Chinese Food]

(Original post by Einheri)
schoolboy drivel etc

Besides which talking with you has become predicable and boring, and made me glad im not a high school teacher. Good luck taking that childish bedroom pc attitude into the real world, it will probably do you good to have a bit of common sense knocked into your skull, it cant happen sooner imo.

[Einheri]

(Original post by Indo-Chinese Food)
Besides which talking with you has become predicable and boring, and made me glad im not a high school teacher. Good luck taking that childish bedroom pc attitude into the real world, it will probably do you good to have a bit of common sense knocked into your skull, it cant happen sooner imo.

I'm childish? You're the one who believes in the "Touch of Death".

[Indo-Chinese Food]

(Original post by Einheri)
I'm childish? You're the one who believes in the "Touch of Death".

My point summed up, you are talking about something you have seen in a kung fu movie in the 70s, or read about on wikipedia as is the extent of your knowledge.
i am not.

Ive realised this is like Charles Darwin trying to explain the theory of evolution to a chimp. We cant go any further than we have already, like i said, you actually need some life experience outside your parents house before making any worthwhile contribution to a discussion on martial arts. im done here

[Einheri]

(Original post by Indo-Chinese Food)
My point summed up, you are talking about something you have seen in a kung fu movie in the 70s, or read about on wikipedia as is the extent of your knowledge.
i am not.

Ive realised this is like Charles Darwin trying to explain the theory of evolution to a chimp. We cant go any further than we have already, like i said, you actually need some life experience outside your parents house before making any worthwhile contribution to a discussion on martial arts. im done here

Ha, I don't even live in the same country as my parents. Yes, you were done here before you even posted.

[Indo-Chinese Food]

(Original post by Einheri)
Ha, I don't even live in the same country as my parents. Yes, you were done here before you even posted.

Good for you. Get a job and life next, you wont sound like such a hick retard on this subject, i doubt you had little exposure to proper martial arts at their house in norway..... And try not confuse following a sport like mma with a martial art, which youve already shown you know next to nothing about. Theres nothing wrong with doing sports or watching movies about the 'touch of death' - dont think tho it necessarily teaches you even 1% about people that train actual martial combat.

[Gridiron-Gangster]

(Original post by Average_Aaron)
Hi folks. I'm looking for a new martial art to learn. I have previously done kickboxing and boxing and was looking for something a bit different

So far, Tae Kwon Do is at the top of my list.

Any opinions on this?

Thanks for any input

Karate, Judo, Muay Thai or if you can find a club, Jeet Kune Do.

[Gridiron-Gangster]

Google the world Jeet Kune do federation. Apparently you can learn and be graded via distance learning.

[Gridiron-Gangster]

(Original post by Einheri)
Umm, I don't know where you get that from considering Judo established itself in Europe and the Americas well within Kano Jigoro's lifetime; in 1912 Judo was represented in the Olympic Games. To say that the West rejected all things Asian sixty years ago is drivel.
What a dim Dim Mak-er you are.

I always thought judo became an Olympic sport at the Tokyo Olympics in 1964. I will check........ Yeah it wasn't at the 1912 games. It was demonstrated.by kano informally at the 1932 games but became an official Olympic sport in 1964.