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Should I do Further Maths/is it hard?

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Original post by -G-a-v-
If you enjoy maths, and get an A or A* in stats (note you will possibly be a bit rusty on algebra and things by the start of A-level if you don't keep your 'pure maths' up to scratch while you're doing stats), then FM is totally worth it, regardless of what you want to do at uni. It's a fantastic A-level, the pure maths modules in particular introduce you to some very cool areas of maths.


Ok thanks, btw do you live in Stoke On Trent?
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Original post by multiplexing-gamer
Ok thanks, btw do you live in Stoke On Trent?


Yes.
Original post by Elwyn
It tends to be the other way round usually. I mean FM is useless for Geography pretty much, but useful for Economics.

The reason I ask, is because some courses, such as Medicine, state that if you offer both Maths and Further Maths only one of them will be considered as part of an offer, rendering the other useless. But I'm not too sure what other courses, if any, have this rule.


I know UCL considers both as one A-level for Medicine only, but I don't believe this is the case for all Medical Schools. Very much Oxbridge actually like it, and other universities don't put an exclusion in like UCL does, but it's just expected you do Chemistry and Biology for A-level, and since 3 are part of the offer, Further Maths would obviously be a 4th option thereby hardly any universities mention it, but would still take it on if offered.

In general, Further Maths can be slightly difficult, but it's because you have double the maths content in a week, and is recommended for top universities with high maths content in (Physics, Chemistry, Engineering, Computer Science, Economics) but is still a wonderful addition if you enjoy it! To be fair, it's one of the hardest subjects, and I wouldn't bother applying to universities if they disregard it as just a joint A-level with Maths and 'further' maths that isn't of use.
Original post by multiplexing-gamer
Comp Sci? Really? I thought that was just programming code? I could do a joint degree with Geog/Comp Sci?


FYI, who do you think makes all the algorithms that traders use?

Nerds are taking over Wall Street.

All hail the revolution! :rolleyes:.

If you want to do finance, then a degree in Maths and Economics and related courses is usually a must and a benefit.

Further Maths is quite hard, don't let anyone tell you any differently. There's a reason why it has a reputation for being one if not the hardest A-Level around. Only do this if you think you can get an A in it. Otherwise I'd say there's no point.

Here's my advice. See how you find A2 Maths, if you find that rather taxing, and don't get say an A*/very high A. I'd say leave FM out. If you do other solid A-Levels like Maths, Chemistry, Economics and say another Science, then you'll have a pretty good set of A-levels to show (providing you get A's/A*s) if you put work into it :smile:.
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I actually got about 13 UMS more in further maths than I did normal maths but that was before they rearranged my modules to give me a higher mark in maths. And for those who are saying further maths is the most difficult subject, chemistry is much much harder to get to grips with.
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Original post by multiplexing-gamer
Same! What college did you go to?


Fenton 6th form...when it was actually at Fenton :p:
Where are you thinking of going?
Original post by -G-a-v-
Fenton 6th form...when it was actually at Fenton :p:
Where are you thinking of going?


St Josephs or Newcastle College, what A levels did you take?
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Original post by multiplexing-gamer
St Josephs or Newcastle College, what A levels did you take?


Maths, Further Maths, Physics, Philosophy A-levels, Chemistry, English and Critical Thinking AS levels.
Original post by -G-a-v-
Maths, Further Maths, Physics, Philosophy A-levels, Chemistry, English and Critical Thinking AS levels.


:eek: thats loads lol... Did you do Triple Science?
Original post by illuminati786
FYI, who do you think makes all the algorithms that traders use?

Nerds are taking over Wall Street.

All hail the revolution! :rolleyes:.

If you want to do finance, then a degree in Maths and Economics and related courses is usually a must and a benefit.

Further Maths is quite hard, don't let anyone tell you any differently. There's a reason why it has a reputation for being one if not the hardest A-Level around. Only do this if you think you can get an A in it. Otherwise I'd say there's no point.

Here's my advice. See how you find A2 Maths, if you find that rather taxing, and don't get say an A*/very high A. I'd say leave FM out. If you do other solid A-Levels like Maths, Chemistry, Economics and say another Science, then you'll have a pretty good set of A-levels to show (providing you get A's/A*s) if you put work into it :smile:.


Not really a must, anything with a good mathematical content is fine.

Not sure if it has the reputation of being the hardest A level. Think about it. Say you do these six modules for Maths:

C1, C2, C3, C4, S1, S2

and these six for FM:

FP1, M1, D1, FP2, M2, D2

Apart from FP2 in what way are those modules harder? FP1 is C2 difficulty. M1 and D1 are easier than S1. and M2 and D2 are easier or on par with S2. FP2 is obviously harder than C3, C4, but that is the only truly difficult one.
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Original post by multiplexing-gamer
:eek: thats loads lol... Did you do Triple Science?


Sort of. I did double award science (what you guys will now call 'science + additional science' - we just got a pair of identical grades), but then also did GCSE Astronomy (yes, it's real...). It would've been nice to do separate sciences, though.
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sorry to invade yor thread but i have the same question, i got an A in GCSE Statistics in year 9, and an A* in GCSE maths in year 10, if there is anyone taking further maths, can you tell me what its like? how difficult is it compared to A level maths? and do you have to be naturally gifted at maths to do it? (im not :emo:)
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Original post by RedCasino
I know UCL considers both as one A-level for Medicine only, but I don't believe this is the case for all Medical Schools. Very much Oxbridge actually like it, and other universities don't put an exclusion in like UCL does, but it's just expected you do Chemistry and Biology for A-level, and since 3 are part of the offer, Further Maths would obviously be a 4th option thereby hardly any universities mention it, but would still take it on if offered.

In general, Further Maths can be slightly difficult, but it's because you have double the maths content in a week, and is recommended for top universities with high maths content in (Physics, Chemistry, Engineering, Computer Science, Economics) but is still a wonderful addition if you enjoy it! To be fair, it's one of the hardest subjects, and I wouldn't bother applying to universities if they disregard it as just a joint A-level with Maths and 'further' maths that isn't of use.



Taken from Cardiff Admissions: 'For applicants offering two or more Mathematics and/or Statistics subjects at either AS or A2 Level, only one will count towards meeting the conditions of an offer.'

Taken from Keele Admissions: 'Only one subject from a combination of Maths with Further Maths or Biology/Human Biology with Physical Education will be considered.'

There are others too, but I'm not trawling through every Medical School's entry requirements. Some allow it, but some don't, so saying UCL is the only one is very wrong.
Original post by Elwyn
Taken from Cardiff Admissions: 'For applicants offering two or more Mathematics and/or Statistics subjects at either AS or A2 Level, only one will count towards meeting the conditions of an offer.'

Taken from Keele Admissions: 'Only one subject from a combination of Maths with Further Maths or Biology/Human Biology with Physical Education will be considered.'

There are others too, but I'm not trawling through every Medical School's entry requirements. Some allow it, but some don't, so saying UCL is the only one is very wrong.


Yes sorry, what I meant was in reference to the post about top university medical schools, which of the BMAT ones UCL is the one that states that the combination is considered as one A-level. Of course there will be other universities who do and don't consider it, but regardless it's a warning if two of your three options are purely maths, since there is usually a Chemistry and/or Biology requirement, but if it's a fourth A-level option then it's not necessary as they'll make it on 3 offers, but some institutions accept it for it's difficulty. :smile:
Medical school views on FM are here.
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Original post by Mr M
Medical school views on FM are here.


Good post

On a different point I have never got my head round why people post threads asking how hard things are :s-smilie:
Original post by MissBrown
Good post

On a different point I have never got my head round why people post threads asking how hard things are :s-smilie:


I like it when they ask how hard things are going to be in the future (e.g. an exam in June 2012)!
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Original post by Mr M
I like it when they ask how hard things are going to be in the future (e.g. an exam in June 2012)!


Have you got the paper and markscheme for it please?
If so can you send them with the grade boundaries....oh and the January 2012 ones too.

Anyway.....

I think this is quite insight to someones thoughts (FWIW)

http://openuniversityrocketscientist.blogspot.com/2011/08/relative-intellectual-difficulty-of.html
Reply 58
Hi guys I wanted a bit of advice, I'm at Warwick studying general engineering, but I'am thinking of applying to UCL for electrical engineering which I'm really keen on doing. I got AAB at A-level in Maths, I.T and physics respectively and I'm going to do the c3 and c4 modules for maths in January because I'am more than confident I can get an A* in maths. How should I carry out my application through UCAS and how should I approach the situation when applying as UCL would obviously think that if I've got A-levels and I'm applying there, what would I be doing this year. Should tell them that I'm at Warwick and promise them that if I get a particular grade like 2:1 in my first year of study and the A* in maths this year, if they could consider me along with a personal statement given through UCAS. What should I do ?
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Original post by multiplexing-gamer
Oh right sorry, I didn't know what you meant. I want to go to UCL to do Geog. Isn't Engineering making stuff out of metal? Thats what it is at my school, and it has nothing to do with Maths? :confused:

Engineering is a massive field. There are not only different types of it (electrical, mechanical, civil, chemical, etc) but there's different levels of it, too. Engineering at university is highly mathematical, whereas someone doing an NVQ in performing engineering ops would be the people "making stuff out of metal", but there's even maths in that.

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