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What should I say??

OK, I initially intended to post this anonymously but thought better, might as well be a bit daring :wink:

Here goes, there's a guy at my college that I would like to get to know better. Thing is I LITERALLY CANNOT talk to him properly. I'm a shy person by nature and will only open up with someone when I know them very well. I'm able to make small talk mainly to do with academics (economic history to be precise which is probably the most uninteresting topic ever heh.) Today for instance, he joined my friend and I whilst we were walking to lectures and I just clammed up and my friend had to do all the talking :frown: I'd like some advice on how to deal with this. It infuriates me because not *that* bad under normal circumstances. Please don't suggest being really flirtatous etc etc, because a) I'm rubbish at that too and b) flirting isn't really my cup of tea. (LOL!!)

Thankees in advance
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Reply 1
i have just made a thread similar to this one, just seen this and i have exactly the same problem. i can talk about classes and stuff with him, but really have nothing else to say. if anyone could help... :smile:
Reply 2
instead of trying to talk to him, try and talk to him about something instead
eg. the weather if you must :p: movies, sports? whatever you share an interest in..
Reply 3
Mate, I've done the weather, the essays, how his Xmas/New Year was. I can't kick a ball to save my life...am not a fan of the cinema and musicwise I like Pachebel and Vaughan Williams...so no convos there.
Reply 4
Thanks firebird! Will try that!
Reply 5
minimo
I can't kick a ball to save my life...am not a fan of the cinema and musicwise I like Pachebel and Vaughan Williams...so no convos there.


Potential conversation topics just from the above:

"So, are you good at sports? I'm terrible. Really. I can't even kick a ball! It's actually quite funny to watch..."
"Have you seen anything lately? I don't watch many movies but I've seen..."
"What music do you like? Cool! I like weird stuff like... Have you heard of them?"

Sorted. You can talk about stuff you don't know much about, and learn new stuff from them :smile:
Reply 6
minimo
I'm able to make small talk mainly to do with academics (economic history to be precise which is probably the most uninteresting topic ever heh.)
You sound just like me - except swap economic with political :p:
Reply 7
Am I the friend, am I the friend? :biggrin:

Silly billy you were fine, it wasn't as bad as you think.
Reply 8
Guys, this is terrific...thing is how do I *actually* start the convo? (YES, I *am* that socially inept.) I mean, if I am walking to lectures can I just randomly start talking about this stuff? Or will I, as I fear, look like a moron? Especially given that us poor economists have 9am lectures, a time when most self-respecting Arts students are still in bed...and everyone is half asleep.

Also I find myself left out of conversations a lot in general. Does anyone have any ideas who I can bring myself in, without sounding like a kook?

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Adhsur
Am I the friend, am I the friend? :biggrin:

Silly billy you were fine, it wasn't as bad as you think.

Yes.

And it was...I felt like kicking myself.
But seeing as I can't kick a ball, I doubt that would have been punsihment enough :p:
Reply 9
I suck at starting conversations too and I'm pretty socially inept...

But it consists of see person, take a deep breath, walk up to the guy and say "hi, are you alright?" and smile (or alternatively tap him on the shoulder or if you're feeling particularly brave poke him). If you're anything like me, after the initial start of the conversation you should be reasonably okay.

You probably don't seem as weird as you think you do - everyone has their own preoccupations. You'll probably just seem confident and friendly, and if you do come across as slightly odd it doesn't matter. I for one love slightly odd people.

Edit: Also listen to jb_sweden. He seems like he's conquered their shyness, while I'm still slowly but surely trying to get slightly better at controlling it. I'm trying to do what he's done. Not having much success, but getting there. I agree that confidence is key (and it rhymes, woo)
Reply 10
Guys this is terrific...thanks ever so much. My inability to speak has irritated me greatly recently and hopefully these tips well help me sort myself out. :smile:
Reply 11
jb_sweden
It is generally the case, as with most things, that practice makes perfect.

I've been in your position, though, perhaps not identical. But today I can talk to anyone, anywhere, anytime. I started of with small steps. I mean, initially I had a hard time talking to my hairdresser! Now, I tend to be the center of parties.

I was really upset with the situation - which called for some serious actions! I did a lot of reading, primarily in relationships, dating etc. I think reading about dating is extremely wise. Being able to handle the opposite sex naturally, will benefit you in many different ways. It will make you a great deal more confident on many different venues.

Returning to those small steps, I started to build on with what I felt I was comfortable with. For example, I wasn't shy when I ordered a hamburger - and I'm fairly certain this applies to you too. So, whenever I did something like that, I tried to converse a little bit more than I used to. I started with small things like "have a nice day" (I don't know about UK, but in Sweden it is quite uncommon that ppl says things like that when they're buying a hamburger). It's not much, in fact, it's nothing. However, there's an immensely important concept here. You're actually saying things that you're not used to say, to other people. Also, you're doing things on a "plan towards being more socially comfortable". You're sort of tricking yourself into believing you're socially experienced. Are you following me? This will improve your self-esteem and confidence.

Now, you should aim higher as times goes by. E.g. when I started of I had long term goal, it was "be able to smoothly talk to the hottest chick in the pub". My short term goal was "when being introduced to someone, don't just say 'hi' - get to know the person(s)!".

As of yet, I can't walk straight up to the hottest chick in the pub and start a James Bond-like conversation. I can, however, enter a party where I know like max 5%, and just have fun, talk to everyone, get to know a lot people, getting phone numbers from nice girls etc.

What you have to do is to start a plan. Be conscious about that you want, but infintely more important need, to improve your social skills. Whenever you're in a situation where you think "I better go now, because I want to avoid talking to this guy because I'm sooo shy", you better think to yourself "jeez.. what the f++k, stop being a wuss and let's go talk to this lad!".

I want to finish off with another example: during those shy-days, a woman, extremely good looking, walked up to me and asked "is this bus going to blablabla?". The shy-me would have said "yes" and then looked the other way. But I paused for a second, thought about it, and then said "yes it does, where are you going? blablabla is quite large, this one is perhaps not the optimal one"... then she said where she was going and we talked about that and so on.

Can you imagine the confidence boost? It was a walk in the park to talk to all the girls in the bar that evening.

Finally, Try to have the mindset that you a) want to improve your social skills, but more importantly b) that you need to learn something about the guy, you need to get to know him!

Most importantly, however, is to have fun.

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Knowing what to say is not about "knowing" something. Is all about confidence. You need to improve your confidence. See above :smile: and good luck!


What kind of books please...Any great one out there?
Reply 12
I totally sympathise with you Minimo. I used to be exactly the same and just couldn't get started in conversations with people I didn't know very well. I can't really advise you on flirting; I've practically forgotten how to do it, it's been so long!
But just wanted to say I know how you feel and how awful it is...here, let me give you a big hug *hugs Minimo*. There, you'll feel much better now, I'm sure!
Reply 13
I used to be like that. its the worst thing ever. just think about the things that you chat to your friends to, and talk to him about that. obviously this doesnt include shoes, lipgloss and eyeliner! next time you see him, just say hi, ask how he his and what hes been up to, and just let it go from there. if youve been to any gigs, or out the night before, then tell him about it. if you have a braek in between lectures, invite him for a coffee or a drink with your friends, then if you do get stuck for things to say, your mates are always there to cover up the silence.
"I'm Rick James, B!tch"

^ Thats what you should say...
FACEBOOK!

Seriously, try and get his MSN or something. You will probably feel a lot easier speaking to him over t'internet than you will face to face at first.

On another note: I'm not at that college, so it can't be me. *cries*
Reply 16
jb_sweden

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Knowing what to say is not about "knowing" something. Is all about confidence. You need to improve your confidence. See above :smile: and good luck!


This has been a great read for me because it is identical to the steps I took to make myself more socially forthcoming (although I didn't read books on it) and probably very similar to something I would have posted. It is nice to know that there is someone else out there just like me in that respect :smile:

Although i'm probably not quite there yet because I am still uncomfortable in group conversations and find it difficult to know when to interject a group conversation.

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Manifest
What kind of books please...Any great one out there?


Books probably won't teach you much. Everyone has a different style when it comes to socialising or chatting up girls, you just have to find out which style suites you best. Also most of it is confidence, once you have the confidence the words will start to flow more naturally and you will wonder how you ever had a problem in the first place.

Also when it comes to chatting up girls the basic rule is to ask them about themselves because most girls love to talk, I seem to take it for granted that I know this these days because I just assume everyone knows it but then I realised at one point I didn't know it. Oh and look interested even if your not.

And to gain confidence just do what jb_sweden did- Start to make an effort at socialising using small steps at first before moving onto harder things.

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