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(Original post by In2deep)
I was adding to your post! I wasn't disagreeing at all, I just meant that you could have phrased it better and Allaah knows best..

Oh sorry. I probably could have phrased it better yeah. Thanks.

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(Original post by muslimboi)
You will never see anybody doing 2 degrees at the same time for eg being an accountant and a lawyer, similarly how can you study both at the same time, when Uni is 6-8 hours a day, whereas alimiyyah is like 2-3 hours. Both require equal dedication and committment. I am aware of part time alimiyyah class's but these are just part time, at darul-uloom, the class's run for 5 and a half hours a day, its not possible to teach it in 2-3 hours. Nevertheless, part time alimiyyah class is a good option for those who will be doing nothing anyway, and they can spend it in the masjid.

Well Im doing my Alevels and im doing alimiyyah classes..
I know that at boarding schools and at darul-uloom the classes run for longer, they also have schooling during the day..so its just like going to a part time one.

I think it is possible because the full day ones are only around 5 years whereas the one I go to is 7 years..and we study the same kitaabs etc as all my teachers are from boarding schools. The discipline and manner of teaching is the same, i've obv. experienced it..
& Seeing as i'm in my 5th year now..I know its difficult to handle both as the kitaabs get harder like the Fiqh/Inheritance kitaabs and Ahadith..and also Alevel's are tough..but with good time management, Alhamdullilah, Im doing fine

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(Original post by Yumnaarrhhh)
Well Im doing my Alevels and im doing alimiyyah classes..
I know that at boarding schools and at darul-uloom the classes run for longer, they also have schooling during the day..so its just like going to a part time one.

I think it is possible because the full day ones are only around 5 years whereas the one I go to is 7 years..and we study the same kitaabs etc as all my teachers are from boarding schools. The discipline and manner of teaching is the same, i've obv. experienced it..
& Seeing as i'm in my 5th year now..I know its difficult to handle both as the kitaabs get harder like the Fiqh/Inheritance kitaabs and Ahadith..and also Alevel's are tough..but with good time management, Alhamdullilah, Im doing fine

At boarding schools yeah there is schooling too, but there are also full time darul ulooms where its just alimiyyah and class's run from 8;45 till 4pm, with breaks in between of course.

Full day are 6 years . I just relayed what a darul uloom head teacher once said in a bayaan, about part time and full time alimiyyah course. And I also know quite alot of guys who hav done the even alimiyyah class and theyve said to me its good but they wouldnt have the knowledge a person at full time alimiyyah student would have.

Bold- Mashallah

[muslimboi]

(Original post by In2deep)
Allamiyah? Does this mean something different in the sub-continent or does it mean a course you take which makes you an 'aalim [scholar]?

The latter.

[In2deep]

(Original post by muslimboi)
The latter.

How long does it take? What books do you learn?

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(Original post by In2deep)
How long does it take? What books do you learn?

http://www.jamiah.co.uk/Alim-Course.asp

[In2deep]

(Original post by muslimboi)
http://www.jamiah.co.uk/Alim-Course.asp

That is a very grounded education, that is over a period of six years yes? I don't understand why it is called an 'aalim course though! If you memorise the Qur'aan (which I assume is not part of the course?) along with the above curriculum, then you are a beginner student of knowledge.

It does though seem to be very geared to Muslims from India/Pakistan, would you agree? Some of the books there are not taught in other parts of the world intentionally..

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Abu Hurairah (ra) narrated that the Messenger of Allah (saws) said:

"When Allah created Paradise and Hellfire, He sent Gabriel to Paradise, saying, ‘look at it and at what I have prepared therein for its inhabitants.’ So Gabriel went to it and looked at it and at what Allah had prepared therein for its inhabitants. Then Gabriel returned it Allah and said, ‘By Your glory, no one hears of it without entering it.’ So Allah ordered that it be encompassed by forms of hardship, and He said, ‘Return to it and look at what I have prepared therein for its inhabitants! So, Gabriel returned to it and found that it was encompassed by forms of hardship. Then he returned to Allah and said, ‘By Your glory, I fear that no one will enter it, Allah said, ‘Go to Hellfire and look at it and at what I have prepared therein for its inhabitants.’ Gabriel found that it was in layers, one above the other. Then Gabriel returned to Allah and said, ‘By Your glory, no one who hears of it will enter it.’ So Allah ordered that it be encompassed by lusts. Then He said, ‘Return to it and Gabriel returned to it and said, ‘By Your glory, I am frightened that no one will escape from entering it.’

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[muslimboi]

(Original post by In2deep)
That is a very grounded education, that is over a period of six years yes? I don't understand why it is called an 'aalim course though! If you memorise the Qur'aan (which I assume is not part of the course?) along with the above curriculum, then you are a beginner student of knowledge.

It does though seem to be very geared to Muslims from India/Pakistan, would you agree? Some of the books there are not taught in other parts of the world intentionally..

Yes 6 years. Because affter 6 years you become an alim, whether you think of yourself as one or not, the world perceives you as one, and will come to you for answers. Think the actual term is "Dars-e-nizami" that the alimiyyah course follows.

Darul uloom did stem from the Indian sub continent.

[In2deep]

(Original post by muslimboi)
Yes 6 years. Because affter 6 years you become an alim, whether you think of yourself as one or not, the world perceives you as one, and will come to you for answers. Think the actual term is "Dars-e-nizami" that the alimiyyah course follows.

Darul uloom did stem from the Indian sub continent.

Did you go here? What do you think about the progress in Arabic over the 6 year period, learning languages is a bit more difficult to constrain within a time-limit, are students fluent?

If the "world" (the western-world as the school is here) perceives you as one does not mean you are an 'aalim, it rather reflects on how little is needed here to become a scholar..

In an Islamic context, 'aalim is synonymous with Mujtahid or Faqeeh.

Ash-Shawkaani (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

A scholar should

1- He should have knowledge of the texts of the Qur’aan and Sunnah.

2- He should also know what is saheeh (sound) and what is da‘eef (weak) in the texts of the Sunnah.

3- He should have knowledge of the issues of consensus (ijmaa‘)

4- He should be well versed in the Arabic language.

5- He should have knowledge of usool al-fiqh (basic principles of Islamic jurisprudence), including analogy (qiyaas), because usool al-fiqh is the foundation for deriving rulings.

6- He should have knowledge of what abrogates and what is abrogated (al-naasikh wa’l-mansookh).

The word has a strong meaning and I understand if you did not mean the above but would you disagree that having completed those books means you are a beginner 'Student of Knowledge'. I personally have taken more books than that and I don't even consider myself that..

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(Original post by In2deep)
Did you go here? What do you think about the progress in Arabic over the 6 year period, learning languages is a bit more difficult to constrain within a time-limit, are students fluent?

If the "world" (the western-world as the school is here) perceives you as one does not mean you are an 'aalim, it rather reflects on how little is needed here to become a scholar..

In an Islamic context, 'aalim is synonymous with Mujtahid or Faqeeh.

Ash-Shawkaani (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

A scholar should

1- He should have knowledge of the texts of the Qur’aan and Sunnah.

2- He should also know what is saheeh (sound) and what is da‘eef (weak) in the texts of the Sunnah.

3- He should have knowledge of the issues of consensus (ijmaa‘)

4- He should be well versed in the Arabic language.

5- He should have knowledge of usool al-fiqh (basic principles of Islamic jurisprudence), including analogy (qiyaas), because usool al-fiqh is the foundation for deriving rulings.

6- He should have knowledge of what abrogates and what is abrogated (al-naasikh wa’l-mansookh).

The word has a strong meaning and I understand if you did not mean the above but would you disagree that having completed those books means you are a beginner 'Student of Knowledge'. I personally have taken more books than that and I don't even consider myself that..

Nope I havent studied alim class. But at the end of the 6 years they can speak arabic, as theyve been studying arabic.

Im not saying that you are one, a scholar should never think of himself as a scholar as scholars were Hasan-e-Basri, Abdul Qadir Jilani, Junaid Baghdadi RA etc. But when the world perceive you as a scholar its important to act like one, and set an example. Im sure no alim considers himself as an alim anyway.

A prominent scholar of Pakistan Mufti Muhammad Shafi RA, use to say a student ok knowledge is somebody who at every moment of his life thinking about studying.

I agree.

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‘The Prophet (saws) said to Ubayy bin Ka’b : ‘Indeed Allaah has commanded me to recite to you The Qur’ân.’ So he said: ‘Allaah mentioned me to you? ’He (saws) replied : ‘Yes.’ He (Ubayy) said : ‘And I have been mentioned by the Lord of The Worlds ?’ He (saws) replied : ‘Yes.’ [There] His (Ubay’s) eyes were filled with tears.”

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(Original post by muslimboi)
At boarding schools yeah there is schooling too, but there are also full time darul ulooms where its just alimiyyah and class's run from 8;45 till 4pm, with breaks in between of course.

Full day are 6 years . I just relayed what a darul uloom head teacher once said in a bayaan, about part time and full time alimiyyah course. And I also know quite alot of guys who hav done the even alimiyyah class and theyve said to me its good but they wouldnt have the knowledge a person at full time alimiyyah student would have.

Bold- Mashallah

oOh isnt Leicster 5 years?

Yeah thats true..we dont know everything that a full time person has learnt..but its still better than nothing..and even if I had a choice, I would go to a part time one because I would hate to be away from home..living elsewhere is not my thing lol
Anyways my grandad could teach me if I wanted to know anything else..because he teaches at a full time darul uloom

[Yumnaarrhhh]

(Original post by In2deep)
Did you go here? What do you think about the progress in Arabic over the 6 year period, learning languages is a bit more difficult to constrain within a time-limit, are students fluent?

If the "world" (the western-world as the school is here) perceives you as one does not mean you are an 'aalim, it rather reflects on how little is needed here to become a scholar..

In an Islamic context, 'aalim is synonymous with Mujtahid or Faqeeh.

Ash-Shawkaani (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

A scholar should

1- He should have knowledge of the texts of the Qur’aan and Sunnah.

2- He should also know what is saheeh (sound) and what is da‘eef (weak) in the texts of the Sunnah.

3- He should have knowledge of the issues of consensus (ijmaa‘)

4- He should be well versed in the Arabic language.

5- He should have knowledge of usool al-fiqh (basic principles of Islamic jurisprudence), including analogy (qiyaas), because usool al-fiqh is the foundation for deriving rulings.

6- He should have knowledge of what abrogates and what is abrogated (al-naasikh wa’l-mansookh).

The word has a strong meaning and I understand if you did not mean the above but would you disagree that having completed those books means you are a beginner 'Student of Knowledge'. I personally have taken more books than that and I don't even consider myself that..

Usool al fiqh is hardd!! Im studying it right now in arabic..and although it is very interesting, it is so hard to get your head round..there are so many different rules etc.
I love it though

"I personally have taken more books than that and I don't even consider myself that" ..MashaAllah!

[muslimboi]

(Original post by Yumnaarrhhh)
oOh isnt Leicster 5 years?

Yeah thats true..we dont know everything that a full time person has learnt..but its still better than nothing..and even if I had a choice, I would go to a part time one because I would hate to be away from home..living elsewhere is not my thing lol
Anyways my grandad could teach me if I wanted to know anything else..because he teaches at a full time darul uloom

Both Darul-ulooms in Leicester are 6 years

I know that feeling, quite alot of people are like that, Im the same!

Mashallah

[In2deep]

(Original post by Yumnaarrhhh)
Usool al fiqh is hardd!! Im studying it right now in arabic..and although it is very interesting, it is so hard to get your head round..there are so many different rules etc.
I love it though

"I personally have taken more books than that and I don't even consider myself that" ..MashaAllah!

Subhanallah I didn't meant to boast, in any case, I have personally done nothing, my parents are the ones who made it all feasible and it is all due to Allaah (swt) and the circumstances and the surroundings of where I grew up..

(Original post by muslimboi)
Both Darul-ulooms in Leicester are 6 years

I know that feeling, quite alot of people are like that, Im the same!

Mashallah

There are more than one? Mashallah!

It's sad to see how divided the ummah is in some places, I've never even heard of this before today

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