The capture and death of Col Gaddafi
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Re: Gaddafi captured!!!!!I don't think Egypt has "reformed itself"-the same elite are in power, but now in keeping a low profile while making Mubarak into a scapegoat for the common people to hate.(Original post by Aphotic Cosmos)
There wasn't really the need to intervene in Tunisia, Egypt or Oman, as they reformed themselves through people power, and Yemen and Syria would only be destabilised by a Western presence, especially Syria due to it's considerably better equipped, Russian-backed military and very well entrenched regime. Bahrain, whilst terrible, was also strategically unsound for an intervention as it would have set off a whole mess of arguments with the Saudis and the UAE. The protests in other nations never amounted to enough to justify Western intervention.
We have to be selective and do what we can, where we can.
Food prices are still too high and unemployment is worse. The tourist trade has declined and the economy is is a an even worse state than it was when Mubarak was in power. There are still no elections or any "democracy", not that it will do most people any good anyway. So where is the reform in Egypt?
Yes, we have to be selective because if we pick on someone big and powerful we willget our asses kicked, and we only pick fights when we can gain from it, for example from Libyan oil.Last edited by Doubledog; 20-10-2011 at 20:48. -
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Re: Gaddafi captured!!!!!Yeah, and them too. how could i forget, True if it wasnt for NATO none of this would be possible. But it was the country peoples original plan to rebel against gaddafi.(Original post by Howard)
**** off. This wasn't won by "the people" It was won thanks to massive "intervention" from Nato.
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Re: The capture and death of Col Gaddafiand ignored the wishes of the rest of the population, yeah that seems fair. Bit of selective hearing/reading/seeing on the western side of it, but whats new there, especially when there is huge economic gains involved. Your an idiot if your think the west did this to help the Libyan people...(Original post by Aphotic Cosmos)
We aren't. The Libyan people are telling their leaders how it should be run. We helped them achieve that goal, nothing more. -
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Re: The capture and death of Col GaddafiI've always been anti-Gaddafi but justice was not served today with the way he was killed. He should have been trialled in court and sentenced to presumably the death penalty.
Apparently he was beaten down to a bloody pulp and then dragged across the street until being finally shot to death. That's complete savagery, and I know it's no better than the treatment he gave to many victims but the people should not have come to his level and do something like that. Quite sad how it all went down and slightly disturbing but then again I didn't suffer like many of the Libyan people so it's easy to have my view on the matter.Last edited by Marc Fiorano; 20-10-2011 at 21:14. -
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Re: The capture and death of Col GaddafiProbably not though, actually, many of them fall into one of the categories I mentioned. But anyway, this is just my prediction for Libya.(Original post by chrislpp)
Yea, because that's all middle-eastern countries are! -
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Re: The capture and death of Col GaddafiWell, he's simply been saved the humiliation of being "tried" in some kangaroo court and a prolonged waiting period before being shot or hung.(Original post by Marc Fiorano)
I've always been anti-Gaddafi but justice was not served today with the way he was killed. He should have been trialled in court and sentenced to presumably the death penalty.
The conditions under which a trial is to be conducted is that of fairness, equity, objectivity etc. Gadaffi was never going to get that any more than Saddam Hussein did. -
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Re: The capture and death of Col GaddafiI think it's wonderful news that finally this tyrant has been stopped! Whilst I, like many others, would have much preferred him to be brought to justice through the court system I don't think we can blame the NTC, many of whom have suffered tremendously as a direct result of his actions, for shooting him. I just hope that the the Western democracies ensure that they remain a significant part of Libya's reconstruction so that it doesn't suffer the fate of so many other nations following "glorious revolutions". I note, however, that unlike other revolutions which have simply swapped one dictator for another, this one has been heavily influenced by the West, and I hope this influence is represented in the new political system of Libya.
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Re: The capture and death of Col GaddafiThe way he was killed was vile and inhumane. I know he did wrong but that was no way to kill a fellow human being. He should had been put on trial. The way Dailymail put his pictures up and showed a video of him being injured was just disgusting.
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Re: The capture and death of Col GaddafiWow, the man was apparently unnarmed and couldn't go far with gun shots in the legs anyway.
This video (warning, graphic) posted on the guardian website
http://www.youtube.com/verify_contro...%3D75YhFScM5sU
shows his body being dragged and beaten and thrown about.
Tell me, what has this achieved? The barbaric people in this video are showing themselves as no better than him.
I have no sympathy but once again the west are knee-deep in something that isn't out fault and tyranny has been replaced with more of it. -
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Re: The capture and death of Col GaddafiHe got shot in the shoulder in the heat of battle and died on his way to hospital. People need to stop with these retarded hyperboles. The man got what he deserved, he refused to relinquish power and in the process led his country into an 8 month massacre.(Original post by Vanny17)
The way he was killed was vile and inhumane. I know he did wrong but that was no way to kill a fellow human being. He should had been put on trial. The way Dailymail put his pictures up and showed a video of him being injured was just disgusting. -
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Re: The capture and death of Col GaddafiThis exactly. Where are they now for Mubarak? he repressed his people for 30 years and sent hundreds of his countrymen to be tortured in dungeons for the West's security interests and now look at him.(Original post by Hamesh)
I find something deeply unsettling about this.
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Re: The capture and death of Col GaddafiWatch my video dumb dumb.(Original post by 2ndClass)
He got shot in the shoulder in the heat of battle and died on his way to hospital. People need to stop with these retarded hyperboles. The man got what he deserved, he refused to relinquish power and in the process led his country into an 8 month massacre. -
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Re: The capture and death of Col GaddafiAnd I did "dumb dumb" (epic cringe there)(Original post by FluxD)
Watch my video dumb dumb. -
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Re: The capture and death of Col GaddafiWell if you watched it, you can clearly see him getting his hair pulled around by the crowd and he is still alive. Although the camera man walks away and you don't see him actually get killed, the other video that surfaced has him dead on the floor at the same place getting his head stamped on.(Original post by 2ndClass)
And I did "dumb dumb" (epic cringe there)
It doesn't take a genius to realize that the crowd tore him apart. -
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Re: The capture and death of Col GaddafiOh nooos(Original post by FluxD)
Well if you watched it, you can clearly see him getting his hair pulled around by the crowd and he is still alive.
I didn't see that and in hindsight given what he'd done to his fellow countrymen and the tens of thousands of young lives lost and maimed forever, I find it hard to have sympathy for him. But I understand why people would have compassion for a man looking so helpless and in mortal fear for his life, but one has to look at things in perspective. It didn't have to be this way.Although the camera man walks away and you don't see him actually get killed, the other video that surfaced has him dead on the floor at the same place getting his head stamped on.
As above.It doesn't take a genius to realize that the crowd tore him apart.
