[FrigidSymphony]

(Original post by NinjaToad)
Dear Uneducated, Politically-Incorrect Brit',

I find that you should know that 'Islam' comes from the Arabic word, 'Asalaam', which means 'peace'. Hence, scholars have found that the religion of Islam, through books and teachings of its profit, is the religion of peace.

You shouldn't hate on an entire religion due to a few bad apples. If people were to point out the bad things that people of Catholic origin had done and blame the entire community for it, there would be a lot of angry believers.

People who actually follow Islam are very influential. Don't take me as being their personal defender, a white knight for a lost cause or whatever the **** you might believe - I am actually not Muslim (just educated). Now let me give you an example - I was on my way out one day when I ran into a few Islamic Speakers (think Jehovah witnesses that knock on your door). I told them I wasn't interested, but I wasn't in a rush so I sparked conversation, the man was VERY polite and had really good social etiquette. This doesn't lead me to believe that the entire Islamic community behaves just as well, but just this one man. You have to understand that a load of mixed personalities of different individuals, making up an entire community cannot be seen as one specific type of person. It's just silly and makes absolutely no sense. Maybe you just read too much Daily Mail, or something.

If you have the energy to hate on a community, try to do some research into what you think makes them so bad. If you think the religion breeds extremists, go have a look at a few citings from the Holy Qu'ran - you'll find that extremists, collectively, have no idea what they're talking about and are normally sheep, following one black sheep who's really persuasive and charismatic.

The religion of Islam does not - in the holy book or in the actions of the Prophet - aim to kill non-believers or try to convert people by the sword. Try looking up the wars of the times of their Prophet. VERY FEW people died in those wars, not because the wars were between very few people but, because their Prophet was a mastermind when it came to strategy and tact and the war would end as soon as their enemy pled the holy words or so.

TL;DR Stop being an ignorant **** who just goes along with what the media spouts out its ******* just to fit in. Be an individual.

Funny, I always thought the word "Muslim" meant "slave".

[chocoholic.]

(Original post by FrigidSymphony)
Bullsheeeeeeeiiiiit.

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(Original post by Anonymous)
LOL its kinda funny how everyone points out the faults their parents have but yet dont look at whether they may just be asking for too much, i guess you'll all only realise when you become parents yourselves your parents do a lot for you and obviously love you a lot, love and respect them for as long as they live ..

Something we should never forget!!

[HumiT]

(Original post by merryhappy)
What? Am I missing something here?

I think someone has already mentioned that clubbing is not exactly islamic.

[superduper34]

I'm Asian and Muslim and I moved out when I was 19 for my second year of university. Before I had moved out it was always hit and miss with my parents. When my dad was away on holiday my mum was far more lenient with me (staying at people's houses/going out in general). I did still go out when my dad was around but I know he would not let me stay at a friend's house. Its just dependent on my dad's mood :/. Sometimes he didn't care and then suddenly he would make it a huge issue. My parent's have never really bugged me about where I was going and now I am 20 they barely ask. I can stay out till 11-12am without getting a phone call from either of them (obviously I have told them I am going out beforehand). I live out anyway and am now in my third year and plan on moving out when I finish uni. My mum really doesn't mind at all and my dad just misses me. I didn't even have to persuade my dad when I moved out which was crazy because he wouldn't let me move out in first year (I didn't dare ask twice) and in second year and I just said 'Dad I'm moving out' and that was that. Now I'm moving to America for a few months next year and he just said he would miss me and looked slightly worried but he is not stopping me from going as I have a job waiting for me there.

[Anonymous]

Some white people would kill to have parents such as Muslims have. Having the audacity to care what they're doing, hoping they don't go off the wrong way.


The recent riots just goes to show that.



May I just add:


Masha'Allah!

[Anonymous]

(Original post by Anonymous)
If you're muslim / from a muslim family and still live with your parents, what are their rules on you going out? As in do you have a curfew, do you have to tell them who you're with beforehand, that kind of thing. Sorry - I didn't make that clear in my OP.

I'm from a Muslim family.
I live with my Mother and brothers and probably have a remarkable amount of freedom.

Me and my Mum have come to an understanding.
I let my Mum know roughly when I'm coming home and whether to keep the door unlocked (2/3am) and a rough ballpark of where I am. (Cinema, club, at friends)
If I tell her I'm sleeping over, she doesn't mind.

She is pretty lenient with me and understanding and I pay her back by not taking the piss.
I appreciate the fact that she cares

[A level Az]

(Original post by Anonymous)
I'm an 18 year old girl living with muslim parents (I plan to move out for uni though) and was interested to hear curfews and rules from others with muslim parents. I just want to say that I myself do not consider myself a strict muslim. I believe in God but I'm not sure I agree with a lot of muslim rules etc. My parents don't pray, my dad drinks, but they've always been kinda strict with my sister and me. I have to let them know a couple of days before I go out where I'm going, when I'll be back, and sometimes they'll say I can't go for practically no reason. When I was 16 they wouldn't let me go out for a meal with friends at 6pm on a Friday because the city centre would be full of 'drunk hooligans'. I'm allowed out occasionally until around 10pm with friends if I'm going out for a meal or something, but they seem pretty intrusive with it and I can tell they don't approve. (My dad often asks why I don't just go out earlier).

My muslim parents let me go out whenever I want, but I don't go out every day like some people so that's probably why they're alright with it. Also as late as I like, I've been out till like 3am, but they're usually still awake until I get home. You won't realise why they do this until you become a parent yourself, and then you'll find yourself doing the same thing, especially if you have a daughter, as the night is a pretty dangerous place for a girl on her own. Don't ask for too much.

P.S. They're probably right about the drunk hooligans thing to be honest, and if the city centre is quite far from your home you can see why they wouldn't want you to go. How old are you anyway? If you're still 16-17 then I'm not surprised.

[starshine123]

(Original post by Anonymous)
I'm an 18 year old girl living with muslim parents (I plan to move out for uni though) and was interested to hear curfews and rules from others with muslim parents. I just want to say that I myself do not consider myself a strict muslim. I believe in God but I'm not sure I agree with a lot of muslim rules etc. My parents don't pray, my dad drinks, but they've always been kinda strict with my sister and me. I have to let them know a couple of days before I go out where I'm going, when I'll be back, and sometimes they'll say I can't go for practically no reason. When I was 16 they wouldn't let me go out for a meal with friends at 6pm on a Friday because the city centre would be full of 'drunk hooligans'. I'm allowed out occasionally until around 10pmwith friends if I'm going out for a meal or something, but they seem pretty intrusive with it and I can tell they don't approve. (My dad often asks why I don't just go out earlier).

I've never had a curfew and I suppose that's because I've never really needed one. I don't go out much and when I do I'm usually home by 9.

I honestly don't think there's anything wrong with your parents not wanting you out after six (at the age of 16) on Fridays if they are worried about your safety, and a 10 o'clock curfew seems reasonable to me. As for intrusive questions - what sort of questions? My parents are really chilled out (the only rules they really have is - wear appropriate clothing, no dating, no drinking), but when me or my brother go out they will want to know, who we're going with (names of friends), where we're going, and roughly what time we'll be back. I don't see a problem with those questions.

What is wrong, however, is the fact that your dad drinks but then expects you to follow Islam - that's just hypocritical.

[mohaski]

TBF reading these posts just pisses me off cuz Islam ain't a culture it's a complete way of life and if your parents ain't taught you properly then wallahi (I swear by God) I have pity for you. Learn your religion it's culture it's history it's background and stop following you parents blindly and make your own judgements bout the teachings

[starshine123]

(Original post by mohaski)
TBF reading these posts just pisses me off cuz Islam ain't a culture it's a complete way of life and if your parents ain't taught you properly then wallahi (I swear by God) I have pity for you. Learn your religion it's culture it's history it's background and stop following you parents blindly and make your own judgements bout the teachings

I agree with this. Too often culture is confused for religion by muslims. As a muslim you are obliged to learn about your religion. What it teaches, shariah, sunnah, the rights it gives you etc.

OP your family sounds like one that lives off middle-eastern/south-asian values rather than Islamic teachings. You say neither one of your parents practice, or encourage you to follow Islam but they are very strict with you (stricter than your friends parents, who do practice), and your dad drinks.

They are not following Islam. They may be muslims (i.e. they believe in the shahdah) but they are not following Islam.

If you actually learned about your religion it could be your weapon to freedom. Seriously. Islam's like a shield it protects you from any type of injustice.

Also, mohaski you should have pitty for the parents too, they're the ones that are majorly at wrong here. As muslim parents they have a duty to teach their children the true ways of Islam.

[Dragonfly07]

(Original post by Anonymous)
LOL its kinda funny how everyone points out the faults their parents have but yet dont look at whether they may just be asking for too much, i guess you'll all only realise when you become parents yourselves your parents do a lot for you and obviously love you a lot, love and respect them for as long as they live ..

People have every right to complain about their parents because no one asked to be brought into this world. Their parents gave birth to them completely against their wills, often for selfish reasons. No one asks their parents to take care of them as babies nor to take care of their food or their education, or to love and nurture them.

Parents don't deserve respect if they don't respect their children regardless of how much they did for them in the past. It's as if someone put 1 million bucks in your bank account against your will and then decided that you're his slave for life in exchange for it.

[Anonymous]

(Original post by Dragonfly07)
People have every right to complain about their parents because no one asked to be brought into this world. Their parents gave birth to them completely against their wills, often for selfish reasons. No one asks their parents to take care of them as babies nor to take care of their food or their education, or to love and nurture them.

Parents don't deserve respect if they don't respect their children regardless of how much they did for them in the past. It's as if someone put 1 million bucks in your bank account against your will and then decided that you're his slave for life in exchange for it.

Very good post.

I'm a Muslim girl. I don't have the most exciting social life to start with, but when I do somtimes go out, I go to a friend's house or out to a restaurant and back to a mate's, arriving home about 11/half 11 at night. I occasionally go to a bar with old schoolmates, but I have to set off for home by about midnight. When I'm staying away from home, I often lie about where I am and what I'm doing (saying I'm just at a friend's rather than in a bar; saying that it's just girls when really I'm at a guy's house, saying I'm about to go to sleep when actually I'm still out) - I have to lie more because as I've got older and started socialising more, my dad's become more suspicious.

[Dragonfly07]

(Original post by Anonymous)
Very good post.

I'm a Muslim girl. I don't have the most exciting social life to start with, but when I do somtimes go out, I go to a friend's house or out to a restaurant and back to a mate's, arriving home about 11/half 11 at night. I occasionally go to a bar with old schoolmates, but I have to set off for home by about midnight. When I'm staying away from home, I often lie about where I am and what I'm doing (saying I'm just at a friend's rather than in a bar; saying that it's just girls when really I'm at a guy's house, saying I'm about to go to sleep when actually I'm still out) - I have to lie more because as I've got older and started socialising more, my dad's become more suspicious.

There's a ridiculous amount of girls in situations similar to yours and even more girls in much, much worse circumstances. It makes me so angry when I see people agreeing with the parents or telling OP that there's nothing she can do, particularly when they use religion to justify it.

[Scarface-Don]

The fact is that this whole issue is a cultural issue rather than Islamic. I have see a considerable amounts of posts that tell us that their parents dont even follow Islam properly. So Islam is not to blame for this. And I do not see the reason for Muslims to lie when they go out, especially girls. If you really simply want to meet up with friends and have a meal, there is no reason to lie about it or to stay out very late. However if you want to get up to all the things that are against Islam like dating, drinking, clubbing etc. then I think it is justifiable for your parents to be suspicious and to call you up. I just simply do not understand how following Islam and having a social life conflict. Are you so weak that you adapt to the behaviour of some people to look ''cool''? The kind of people in our society is vastly diverse and you will always find people, more specifically Muslims, like yourself at university, college etc. If you find that the behaviour of your supposed friends is one that your parents would not be interested in, then their probably not the right friends for you.

[sevenbooks]

(Original post by NinjaToad)
Dear Uneducated, Politically-Incorrect Brit',

I find that you should know that 'Islam' comes from the Arabic word, 'Asalaam', which means 'peace'. Hence, scholars have found that the religion of Islam, through books and teachings of its profit, is the religion of peace.

You shouldn't hate on an entire religion due to a few bad apples. If people were to point out the bad things that people of Catholic origin had done and blame the entire community for it, there would be a lot of angry believers.

People who actually follow Islam are very influential. Don't take me as being their personal defender, a white knight for a lost cause or whatever the **** you might believe - I am actually not Muslim (just educated). Now let me give you an example - I was on my way out one day when I ran into a few Islamic Speakers (think Jehovah witnesses that knock on your door). I told them I wasn't interested, but I wasn't in a rush so I sparked conversation, the man was VERY polite and had really good social etiquette. This doesn't lead me to believe that the entire Islamic community behaves just as well, but just this one man. You have to understand that a load of mixed personalities of different individuals, making up an entire community cannot be seen as one specific type of person. It's just silly and makes absolutely no sense. Maybe you just read too much Daily Mail, or something.

If you have the energy to hate on a community, try to do some research into what you think makes them so bad. If you think the religion breeds extremists, go have a look at a few citings from the Holy Qu'ran - you'll find that extremists, collectively, have no idea what they're talking about and are normally sheep, following one black sheep who's really persuasive and charismatic.

The religion of Islam does not - in the holy book or in the actions of the Prophet - aim to kill non-believers or try to convert people by the sword. Try looking up the wars of the times of their Prophet. VERY FEW people died in those wars, not because the wars were between very few people but, because their Prophet was a mastermind when it came to strategy and tact and the war would end as soon as their enemy pled the holy words or so.

TL;DR Stop being an ignorant **** who just goes along with what the media spouts out its ******* just to fit in. Be an individual.

Well spoken! I'm glad there are people like you to counter ignorant idiots!

[ilovedesifems]

(Original post by Anonymous)
I'm an 18 year old girl living with muslim parents (I plan to move out for uni though) and was interested to hear curfews and rules from others with muslim parents. I just want to say that I myself do not consider myself a strict muslim. I believe in God but I'm not sure I agree with a lot of muslim rules etc. My parents don't pray, my dad drinks, but they've always been kinda strict with my sister and me. I have to let them know a couple of days before I go out where I'm going, when I'll be back, and sometimes they'll say I can't go for practically no reason. When I was 16 they wouldn't let me go out for a meal with friends at 6pm on a Friday because the city centre would be full of 'drunk hooligans'. I'm allowed out occasionally until around 10pm with friends if I'm going out for a meal or something, but they seem pretty intrusive with it and I can tell they don't approve. (My dad often asks why I don't just go out earlier).

It's your culture, deal with it.

[Tara I]

(Original post by Anonymous)
Uni is my ticket out of here!! I want to move precisley for that reason.

Haha! Ditto buddy! But.. yeah, no - I don't think my parents would shake up the rules if I stayed. They're pretty much like yours, OP. Latest I can get away with is about 10-11, either coming back from the beach or over at a friends (one which my Mummy has met).

O.O Still haven't absorbed that it will all be over at Uni.

And on that note...

I shall resume with my past paper.

[loves islam]

(Original post by Anonymous)
If you're muslim / from a muslim family and still live with your parents, what are their rules on you going out? As in do you have a curfew, do you have to tell them who you're with beforehand, that kind of thing. Sorry - I didn't make that clear in my OP.

yes if your parents ask you where you are you should tell them if thats what you mean, its not fair that your parents may do injustice becasue in islam you can totally go for educatino and have freedom you can go with anyone in islamic limits you dont have to ring your parents every second who your with etc but if they askk then causally tell them x

[ali7861012]

(Original post by Dragonfly07)
People have every right to complain about their parents because no one asked to be brought into this world. Their parents gave birth to them completely against their wills, often for selfish reasons. No one asks their parents to take care of them as babies nor to take care of their food or their education, or to love and nurture them.

Parents don't deserve respect if they don't respect their children regardless of how much they did for them in the past. It's as if someone put 1 million bucks in your bank account against your will and then decided that you're his slave for life in exchange for it.

Most stupidest **** ever said on TSR, i bet you would change your ideas on this once you become a parent yourself.