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Reply 40
Original post by mf2004
I have no idea what you mean :confused: feel free to copy them and post them in this thread so that you have a wider catalogue


Thanks. I meant to say link :facepalm:
Reply 41
2008-Q27

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Reply 42
I thought I'd contribute since I'm bored. :tongue:

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Reply 43
Original post by und
I thought I'd contribute since I'm bored. :tongue:

Q7

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Which paper?
Reply 44
Original post by wcp100

Original post by wcp100
Which paper?


2009. I kind of forgot to read the bit where it said all questions had already been answered in the other thread, but oh well. I'll work on some others.
Reply 45
Q3 2010

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Edit: Doh! It seems this too has been answered already! wcp100, could you make it clear in the original post which questions have actually been answered?
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Reply 46
Original post by und
Q3 2010

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Edit: Doh! It seems this too has been answered already! wcp100, could you make it clear in the original post which questions have actually been answered?


I forgot I answered it. I put your name before mine anyway:tongue:
Reply 47
2010-Q25

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Reply 48
Original post by Maths_Lover

Original post by Maths_Lover
When you divided through in part (i) you lost some solutions - also, the given range implies that they want the answer in radians... part 2 is fine, though. :smile:


I'm scratching my head over this one, because he didn't lose any solutions. Had he found the solutions over the range specified by the question, he would have got 20, 80 and 140 which are all the solutions you got using your method.

If you factor out cos(3x) however, you get incorrect solutions.

sin(3x)3cos(3x)=0[br]cos(3x)(tan(3x)3)=0[br]cos(3x)=0,3x=90,270,450,x=30,90,150[br]tan(3x)=3,3x=60,240,420,x=20,80,140sin(3x)-\sqrt{3}cos(3x)=0[br]cos(3x)(tan(3x)-\sqrt{3})=0[br]cos(3x)=0, 3x=90, 270, 450, x=30, 90, 150[br]tan(3x)=\sqrt{3}, 3x=60, 240, 420, x=20, 80, 140

All of the answers for cos(x) are wrong though, since when cos(x) is zero, sin(x) is non-zero. :confused: I must be overlooking something...
Original post by und
I'm scratching my head over this one, because he didn't lose any solutions. Had he found the solutions over the range specified by the question, he would have got 20, 80 and 140 which are all the solutions you got using your method.

If you factor out cos(3x) however, you get incorrect solutions.

sin(3x)3cos(3x)=0[br]cos(3x)(tan(3x)3)=0[br]cos(3x)=0,3x=90,270,450,x=30,90,150[br]tan(3x)=3,3x=60,240,420,x=20,80,140sin(3x)-\sqrt{3}cos(3x)=0[br]cos(3x)(tan(3x)-\sqrt{3})=0[br]cos(3x)=0, 3x=90, 270, 450, x=30, 90, 150[br]tan(3x)=\sqrt{3}, 3x=60, 240, 420, x=20, 80, 140

All of the answers for cos(x) are wrong though, since when cos(x) is zero, sin(x) is non-zero. :confused: I must be overlooking something...


What I meant by losing solutions is that he got only 20 with his method and not 80 and 140, not that the solutions were wrong...

That's very intruiging. :holmes: The only reason I can think of to explain it is that both factors are not necessarily zero - only one of them needs to be, really. Not sure if that is valid, though... :hmmmm2:
Reply 50
Original post by Maths_Lover

Original post by Maths_Lover
What I meant by losing solutions is that he got only 20 with his method and not 80 and 140, not that the solutions were wrong...

That's very intruiging. :holmes: The only reason I can think of to explain it is that both factors are not necessarily zero - only one of them needs to be, really. Not sure if that is valid, though... :hmmmm2:


He just forgot to find the other solutions in the range 03x3π0\leq3x\leq3\pi, which is not a case of losing solutions by division of zero.

But then if you look at the unfactorised expression, this cannot be the case. I think it has something to do with dividing sin(x) by cos(x), but there must be some simple explanation that we're missing!
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Original post by und
He just forgot to find the other solutions in the range 03x3π0\leq3x\leq3\pi, which is not a case of losing solutions by division of zero.

But then if you look at the unfactorised expression, this cannot be the case. I think it has sometimes to do with dividing sin(x) by cos(x), but there must be some simple explanation that we're missing!


Ah OK.

No idea. Hopefully someone will come along and explain it to us. :smile:
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Reply 53
Original post by Maths_Lover

Original post by Maths_Lover
Ah OK.

No idea. Hopefully someone will come along and explain it to us. :smile:


http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1818298
Reply 54
Original post by Maths_Lover
2010 - Q1(i)

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Couldn't you divide by cos 3x. Then find all solutions for 3x between 0 and 3pi?
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Ah, thanks. :smile:

I think I would use harmonic addition, just to be on the safe side. :lol:
Reply 56
Original post by wcp100

Original post by wcp100
Couldn't you divide by zero. Then find all solutions for 3x between 0 and 3pi?


Divide by zero?!
Reply 57
Original post by und
Divide by zero?!


I fixed it :tongue:
Reply 58
sin(3x)=3cos(3x) \displaystyle \sin (3x)=\sqrt{3} \cos (3x)

arctan(3)=π3+nπ,nZ arctan( \sqrt{3} ) = \frac{\pi}{3} + n \pi, \forall n \in Z
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Reply 59
Original post by wcp100

Original post by wcp100
I fixed it :tongue:


Well in that case, it would indeed give you the right answer, but we're still trying to understand why it gives incorrect solutions when factored out.

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