Should Scotland Flag to be banned?

LOL. Even by the standards of those wastrels the SSP this is ridiculous. You couldnt make it up.

It is even being debated in the Scottish Parliament

The Scots were not hostile to the existence of the parliament: I think almost 3/4 were in favour of the creation of the parliament. It's in Wales that Blair struggled to get the idea of a National Assembly through. It's only recently that they've actually been given actual useful powers.

I remember when Tommy Sheridan ran for rector of St Andrews. It was rumoured that the Vice-Principal, whilst showing him around the University said, "Whilst we have a lot of railings in this town, Mr Sheridan, chains are in somewhat sort supply I'm afraid."

Gotta love the SSP.

Oh, didn't notice that in my skimmery. I don't have much of a head for clap-trap really.

The EU flag is semi-religious though, isn't it? The twelve stars... something springs up in my memory.

Anyway, we already have a perfectly good flag that represents great ideals and doesn't, of itself, have religious connotations - that flag is the Union Flag.

I have voted yes because it's a ridiculous issue and what a piece of cloth representing a geographical location looks like doesn't bother me in the least.

You don't seem to realise that while it may not matter to you, it DOES matter to millions of other people. If you believe in freedom I fail to see how you can support the enforced removal of a perfectly good flag in favour of a politically motivated stunt.

So you think that the removal of flags is more important and pressing thanfor example the plight of oppressed people?

Of course it makes sense; Which is more important, the plight of the oppressed peoples of the world collectively, or the government banning a flag in certain areas which have histories of racial tension?

I think I see what you're getting at now, it wasn't that clear in your original post. Of course the plight of oppressed people is more important. How will banning banning the current Scottish flag reduce racial tension for 'oppressed people'? Surely it will INCREASE racial tension because the majority (the Scottish ethnic group) will feel persecuted in the most blatant way i.e. the removal of the most obvious symbol of their ethnic group, and this is likely to be enhanced in areas were tensions are highest. Given that banning the flag is a purely symbolic gesture that doesn't give people better employment prospects, housing, education, healthcare and generally better neighbourhoods, I'm curious as to how you think this will help anyone!

I'm also interested in why do you assume ethnic minorities in Scotland are necessarily 'oppressed people'? The minorities in question could be: first/ second/ third, etc generation economic migrants (not oppressed) or illegal immigrants (again, not oppressed people). Anyway, even if most Scottish ethnic minorities had experienced oppression, how would changing the Scottish flag actually help them? Surely if they are oppressed and want to become part of a democratic country, they would willingly accept the Scottish flag as it is, especially considering there's nothing offensive about it and not really any different in symbolism to any other national flag?

If anyone does not like Scotland or her flag then pi** off and live somewhere else

I agree people should be able to fly the flag on their own property, totally 100%. However, don't you think there are far more pressing issues at hand?

But people who say stuff like "If they don't like it they should go back to wherever they came from..." are just stupid idiots.

I agree with most of your argument, but when you say there are more important things to think about it sounds like the excuse the sick French government gave when people protested against the headscarf ban. Because yes, there are more important things at hand - so why stir up a load of pointless rubbish by banning the flag in the first place? It is mad - nearly as mad as the headscarf ban.

No. The ethnic majority in Scotland are the Scots. Ethnic minorities are by definition non-Scottish. You'll have less sucess with the Scots in attempting to destroy their national identity than with the English A. The clear desire of the government is to make the ethnic identity of indigenous British peoples purely racial--Whites against the rest--is that your intention too?

You consider the headscarf ban more pressing than the random confiscation of land in Zimbabwe from a tyrant?

Not really. What right does anyone have to move to a country when they intend to totally reject what makes that nation and the heritage of its native people?

She didn't ssay that. She said that having more pressing issue is no excuse for making frankly pointless bans.

No. The ethnic majority in Scotland are the Scots. Ethnic minorities are by definition non-Scottish. You'll have less sucess with the Scots in attempting to destroy their national identity than with the English A. The clear desire of the government is to make the ethnic identity of indigenous British peoples purely racial--Whites against the rest--is that your intention too?

I'm not claiming there are any oppressed people in Scotland, at all. I just think the flag issue is a complete non-issue when there are far more important issues around?

My problems were with firstly, the semantics of Dave777s post. Can he not start any thread without referencing the constant onslught of immigrants against white people? It would seem no. His mental age is far too little for these forums.

I agree people should be able to fly the flag on their own property, totally 100%. However, don't you think there are far more pressing issues at hand?

Not really. What right does anyone have to move to a country when they intend to totally reject what makes that nation and the heritage of its native people?