Bob Dylan Sucks And Is Not All That Influential

Yeah Fagen said he was influenced by Dylan, which is exactly what your ridiculous thread has been arguing; that in fact Dylan is not all that influential, when you yourself agreed that he is influential.

And now, you are doing what you have derided others for doing, by turning this thread into a competition between two artists. Music is subjective mate so people like different things, you were arguing against Dylan being influential, but you've acknowledged that he is, so have a good night, try not to smash your computer, just relax and listen to some blood on the tracks.

Stephen Fry? Wow, such a heavyweight on the topic.

Donald Fagen said he was influenced by Dylan? Wow. And a million other artists too. But Fagen did in one album (take your pick - Katy Lied, Pretzel Logic, Can't Buy a Thrill) what Dylan couldn't do in a career - any one of those albums, and it's wall to wall with music and songwriting far more nuanced, complex, timeless, clever and actually difficult to execute than the top collection of Dylan's speaking-singing.

He's not my favourite artist, but he was very influential and has sold loads more albums than you ever did/have/ever will.

Bob Dylan Sucks And Is Not All That Influential.

There are dozens of musicians more influential upon other musicians, and more "hit making" than Dylan ever was, some of them even from his era. Some of them were hit makers in spite of Dylan's miniature influence upon popular music in the latter half of the 20th Century.

Discuss.

Another Dylan ballsucking argument typical of Dylan fanboys. This is gold! Keep it coming!

Your argument appears to be boiling down to "I like Steely Dan and don't like Bob Dylan and if you don't agree you're just a deluded fanboy Dylan-praising sheep". It's not an argument, it's a matter of personal musical taste.

..make Dylan look a little lightweight. That can be quantified but you need to understand music theory, composition, production, arrangement, and then songwriting, popular music and it's marketing etc etc, not just claim to like someone because you happen to like simplistic music that's popular.

Fagen was more influenced by a lot of other artists, guessing from their music probably all of the jazz greats, blues, motown, country, and others. How much influence did Dylan have? I am guessing not a particularly large amount.



A number of artists were named in the poll and the subsequent post I and others made.

Elvis, Guthrie, Nelson - just those three - make Dylan look a little lightweight. That can be quantified but you need to understand music theory, composition, production, arrangement, and then songwriting, popular music and it's marketing etc etc, not just claim to like someone because you happen to like simplistic music that's popular.

There's more to it than 'hit making'. To be popular all the time one would have to make concessions to somebody else's taste(s) and pander to the market- sell out basically. Listen to his lyrics and compare them to today's 'lyrics'. He's a poet

He's not all that compared to Springsteen, Guthrie, Nelson and many others even John/Taupin - that's the point isn't it? Prince alone has produced more interesting and influential music/lyrics than Dylan. Masser too.

IF you don't think he was and is commercial then think again - they all make compromises.

But again your missing the point, it's not that those three make 'Dylan look a little lightweight', it's that you were arguing about the influence of Bob Dylan, the guy from Steely Dan has said he has been influenced by Dylan, as have many others that have already been presented to you much earlier.

You don't seem to understand that it's not a competition..

No Fagen said he was an influence. So what. There's more Charlie Parker, Lenny Bruce and Ray Charles in any Fagen song than there is Dylan. Listen to the bridges and the cadence, the intros and the intros to choruses in any Fagen song - it's miles away from Dylan , who likely had a small impact on what Fagen eventually produced. Fagen influenced Fagen - he dwarfs Dylan in almost all aspects - even lyrics - and is light years ahead.



It is a competition when the Dylan fanboys, unlike most others (except the MJ and Beatles/Lennon fanboys) come out and say "DYLAN WAS SO INFLUENTIAL"!!!

Can't be ar**d to read all of this thread, but, although I personally don't get off on the majority of his stuff, he was mooted for the Nobel prize for literature this year.

That must say something, from the land that gave us Abba

ahem http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8qE6WQmNus

Look, hide behind your keyboard and make stupid points and come up with pseudo-intellectual retorts, but I'm board of you now. Listen to Dylan, don't listen to Dylan, honestly no one cares, sit on your high horse and don't accept anyone's argument that's up to you, but perhaps if you look around a bit you and read a bit you'll find that Dylan is extremely influential.

Maybe you've been attacked by a gang of Dylan lookalikes in your childhood, so you have to talk rubbish about him, but I feel sorry for you, your missing out.