Rape

But this is akin to suggesting we all live in a bubble never leaving our homes to be 'protected' from everything as pretty much everything carries a risk. We have to live our lives. Sometimes planes crash, does that mean we should all stop flying? No. Rape is the same. I am not going to live in fear just because Im a woman.

By that logic there should be precautions to take to avoid being murdered. How about we focus on the sick people who are doing the raping in the first place. Being a victim of rape has nothing to do with whether or not precautions were taken, you can take all the precautions you like but if it's not you being raped, someone else will still be raped purely because rapists exist.

And there absolutely is. For all the bad things that can happen to a person in life, there are recommended precautions to take so as to have the best chance of avoiding them, rape included.

To take your murder point;

I know that Moss Side in Manchester is a notorious gangland area filled with primarily black people, some of whom have a big fat chip on their shoulders towards white people. So I don't go there, as a precaution to avoid being murdered (even though in a perfect world, I have the right to go where I please).

Suppose I find myself there out of bad luck, and a big angry black fella points a gun in my face. I might be thinking to myself, "get the **** away from me you dirty scum". In a perfect world where I am free to say as I please, I would tell him that to his face. Why don't I do this in practice? Because he's pointing a f***ing gun in my face, and I want to give myself the best chance possible of walking away.

Rape is no different to murder, theft, assault or any other crime, in that there are things you can do to help yourself. Won't always work, but it's a damn sight better than doing nothing at all. Just seems to me that other crimes don't create this gender divide quite so much, whereas rape does. Because most rapes are committed by men, this seems to make normal procedure in protecting yourself against crime fly out of the window, in favour of blindly saying what a bunch of dicks men are for being rapists.

If I saw a woman being raped, I'd be straight over re arranging the pervert's face, because I think they're scum. But as much as I think that, I also firmly believe women have a responsibility to themselves to take precautions where appropriate. It's not about the rapist, men vs women, feminism or any bull**** like that. First and foremost, it's just common sense.

Er, an improvement on the woeful conviction rate maybe?

EDIT: It's at 6%, for those who think that's acceptable.

http://fullfact.org/blog/rape_conviction%20rate_six_percent_cameron_ken_clarke-2712

This precaution argument is weak and full of holes. If someone wants to rape, they will rape. If they want to attack, they will attack. Women shouldn't have to be shadowed like it's the 1950s when they go out. Instead of focusing on the victim, how about we focus (as some have said) on the sickos who think this behavior is okay.

This precaution argument is weak and full of holes. If someone wants to rape, they will rape. If they want to attack, they will attack.

Women shouldn't have to be shadowed like it's the 1950s when they go out.

Instead of focusing on the victim, how about we focus (as some have said) on the sickos who think this behavior is okay.

Good post. It's almost as if some people just want to force any alleged rapist behind bars regardless of whether he was innocent or guilty just because their emotion blinds their judgement. Rape is a serious crime and evidence must be examined carefully before giving a verdict.

Don't get me wrong. I do get suspicious sometimes about whether there are a lot fo rapists unnecessarily spared in spite of some decent evidence against him. But that is all speculation.

Have you got some data/evidence to back up your post?

Baroness Stern said the figure, which compares the number of convictions against total reports to the police, is based on calculations not used for any other offence.

Once a rape case reaches the courts, almost 60 per cent of defendants are convicted – a rate higher than some other violent attacks.

While for all other crimes the conviction rate describes the percentage of all the cases brought to court that result in a conviction, the report says, rape is different. For rape, the term has come to mean the percentage of all cases recorded by the police as rape that result in a conviction of rape. This makes it impossible to compare rape with other crimes.
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The actual conviction rate for rape, measured conventionally, is 58 per cent. More cases should come to court and the review backs the Government’s*efforts to achieve that.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/09/us/09assault.html?_r=2

So, was it the victim's fault for not taking precautions?

Lol I clicked on this thinking 'here we go again...' and was proven right

So go on. What's your problem with my OP?

So it raises the question of what the mother was doing when the girl got raped. Had the girl being educated enough about things relating to rape (although this might not be comfortable and therefore not convenient)?

I dont think you can take precautions against rape at all though. Rape is usually about dominance and power, and not all about sex. Conservatively dressed religious women also get raped, its not all drunk girls in low cut tops. Its more about the rapist than the victim.

Well, what were the mothers of those 18 boys doing when they were raping her? They weren't all grown men. Some were middle school kids. Why didn't their mothers teach them it's wrong to rape? Why don't you ask that question? Why blame the victim's mother? Why does society always concentrate on what the victim could have done, or what the victim;s parents could have done or should have done instead of the rapist's parents and the rapist himself? Why do we always try and blame the victim? And this happened in her community as well. Where was the mother? Where, where was THEIR mother?

Yes, BUT religious women/conservatively dressed women are raped far less than women who are dressed in shorts/mini-skirts. Obv precautions can be taken, but these precautions do not completely eliminate the chances of someone being raped.

I shouldn't have to take precautions to walk down my own bloody street. You are approaching this as if rape is something that is 'going' to happen anway, so women SHOULD take steps to stop something that is invetable.


when someone is raped, you shouldn't look at what she DIDNT do to stop it, its why the hell the guy did it in the first place and what are the police going to do to find them.