[yawn]

(Original post by shinytoy)
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hello everyone!hi yawn thanks, how was your easter?

i was confirmed on saturday. it was really a lovely service, and i think it was in fact one of the most significant days of my life along with my wedding and graduations. i will always remember it.

in the end i didnt use any confirmation name. when Fr Brian went to confirm me and asked what my name was i just used my own name. he just looked at me funny - i hope it wasnt necessary!

this was because i had narrowed it to st zita and st juan diego (i was impressed by his life). but my mom said that being confirmed in the name of a siant and asking for their intercession was liike invoking the dead and that she wouldnt come if i used one. and she says the catholic verneration of saints is wrong and that only God should be vereated. the other guy Ed kept his name Edward, but in fact there is a saint edward. so i was the only one who didnt have one. i kinda regret not using one now tho, cos like i cant have a patron saint day and i think im in a minority not having one.

how was all of your Easters? did you all have a good time?

I'm glad that your reception into the Church went well - shame that you have the added burden of some resentment from members of your family. However, your relationship with God is yours alone and the Holy Spirit will give you courage in dealing with the negative.

Don't get too hung-up on not having chosen a Saint for patronage. You have your own name, conferred on you at Baptism and that is sufficient. The taking of a saints name at Confirmation reaffirms the process of naming at Baptism and in fact, in some countries confirmandi do not elect to have a saints name in the ceremony at all.

+Rep on it's way to you regardless!

[shinytoy]

aww thanks yawn

my parents are giving me quite a hard time about being catholic. my mom i always thought was a strong chrisitan woman, we have alot of crucifixes around the hous, religious icons and pics, and my mom went to a high anglican school when she was small. but now she is saying that science has proved the Virgin Mary wasnt a virgin and that she slept with Joseph. she also thinks veneration of saints and Mary is like worshipping of the dead and invoking spirits, and that the Catholic church focusses too much on dead people and death. she says the Veneration of the Cross on Good Friday was weird and worshipping idols. we had a bit of a fight on the day on my confirmaion and she said she wasnt coming, and that i couldnt use a saints name otherwse i'd get haunted by dead spirits and possessed. eventually she did come but still she doesnt agree with it and says my sponsor is a nosy,gossiping old woman.

[yawn]

Your mother may feel she has 'lost' you to Christ and is trying to get you back 'by hook or by crook.'

Just show her plenty of love and reassure her that you are still her 'girl'.

Remain steadfast, pray and listen to the Lord. Remember the gifts you have received from the Holy Spirit through your Confirmation and make use of them!

[Daragh]

Personally, she sounds like she is just being a bitter and twisted *********.

Ignore her. You've done what you feel is right, you've responded to Christ's call.

[minimo]

Aww.
People, I have a question...what exactly is an Anglo-Catholic? Are they Anglicans or Catholics? I know a few, and one sent me a link to their Church's webiste to try to and explain but I'm none the wiser. I'm sure they are Protestants but apparently they say the Angelus??!

[Ossie1701]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Catholic

Wiki suggests that they are part of Anglicanism - I must say I have never heard of them before! But have Catholic traditions - i.e. Blessed Virgin Mary etc.

[yawn]

(Original post by minimo)
Aww.
People, I have a question...what exactly is an Anglo-Catholic? Are they Anglicans or Catholics? I know a few, and one sent me a link to their Church's webiste to try to and explain but I'm none the wiser. I'm sure they are Protestants but apparently they say the Angelus??!

With the reformation in the 1600's following the break away from the Catholic Church because Henry VIII would not accept the Pope's decision that he could not divorce Catherine of Aragon, Thomas Cranmer succeeded in breaking the Apostolic Succession that validated Holy Orders by changing the rites and signs of the Sacrament.

The Anglo-Catholic church whilst being, in essence part of Protestantism, maintain that they retain Apostolic Succession, despite a Papal Bull of Leo X (I think) to the contrary.

They keep all the traditions of the Catholic Church with the exception of loyalty to the Pope, and of course, do not accept Papal Infallibility when doctrine is pronounced 'ex-cathedra'.

I am providing a link to a Catholic website that gives an authoritative account of the whole situation (far more reliable than wilkopedia, imo! )

http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/2001/0109fea5.asp

[Ossie1701]

^^^
I do have to question the above statement that:

Catholic website that gives an authoritative account of the whole situation (far more reliable than wilkopedia, imo! )

Not the statement as such - but the website ...
A rather biased article if ever I read one and, I found a rather amusing comment on that website, that there were Dinosaurs on Noah's ark - now, while I can nearly accept that there were most living creatures on the ark - saying that there were dinosaurs really takes the biscuit!

But - that did raise quite an interesting question - where do Dinosaurs fit into the whole idea of Genesis - because sixty million years separates man and dinosaur. And even ignoring that fact - the idea of a benovolent God creating dinosaurs - T-Rex etc. doesn't really fit, or at least appears so, especially as he created them a great deal of time before the first humanoids turned up!

[fr browne]

Some people have said that dinosaurs were his first attempt to make humans.

I personally go with the whole God made the world in a period of time that constitutes "God" days each lasting millions of years. Meaning that he could have made animals on the 4th day(?). say reptiles in the morning, dinosaurs at noon and mammals in the evening. Leaving a gap long enough beofre humans started to appear on the 5th(?).

[yawn]

Is there any evidence that dinosaurs and man existed on the earth at the same time?

Is it possible that dinosaurs were wiped out before God created man?

Ad-astra: The Catholic website will obviously have a Catholic bias - I would rather trust the opinion on faith matters to a faith website that supports the Church doctrines and scripture than a website that has input from all sorts of sources.

Just my personal view.

Incidentally, give me the link to the Dinosaurs on the Ark item, please. I'd like to see the context in which the opinion is given.

Thanks.

[Ossie1701]

(Original post by yawn)
Is there any evidence that dinosaurs and man existed on the earth at the same time?

Is it possible that dinosaurs were wiped out before God created man?

Ad-astra: The Catholic website will obviously have a Catholic bias - I would rather trust the opinion on faith matters to a faith website that supports the Church doctrines and scripture than a website that has input from all sorts of sources.

Just my personal view.

Incidentally, give me the link to the Dinosaurs on the Ark item, please. I'd like to see the context in which the opinion is given.

Thanks.

No evidence humans and dinosaurs were around the same time - 60 million years worth of rocks and soil separate us and them!

Also, with regards to the website, while I would agree that on matters of Catholic faith - that website would appear to be OK (although, once again I believe the Dinosaurs issue shows it to be slightly dubious - but there are better ones, New Advent comes to mind) - but on matters of other faiths - its like asking Martin Luther what 'Roman Catholicism' was - you are going to get an extremely biased view and, really, for the point of asking 'what Anglo-Catholics' are - rather pointless in my opinion.

http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/1991/9107drag.asp

Go down to the bottom of the above page.

[Daragh]

Someone in college told me (I think fr browne was there aswell) that humans are genetically more similar to dirt than they are apes....

[yawn]

(Original post by Ad-astra)
No evidence humans and dinosaurs were around the same time - 60 million years worth of rocks and soil separate us and them!

Also, with regards to the website, while I would agree that on matters of Catholic faith - that website would appear to be OK (although, once again I believe the Dinosaurs issue shows it to be slightly dubious - but there are better ones, New Advent comes to mind) - but on matters of other faiths - its like asking Martin Luther what 'Roman Catholicism' was - you are going to get an extremely biased view and, really, for the point of asking 'what Anglo-Catholics' are - rather pointless in my opinion.

http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/1991/9107drag.asp

Go down to the bottom of the above page.

I always find that New Advent tends to require much more concentration to understand what it is saying. Perhaps it's just me - a little thick maybe.

[Ossie1701]

No, no you're spot on there - New Advent can get a little monotonous at times and does require full concentration - but the articles are usually really in depth.

[yawn]

(Original post by Ad-astra)
^^^
I do have to question the above statement that:


Not the statement as such - but the website ...
I found a rather amusing comment on that website, that there were Dinosaurs on Noah's ark - now, while I can nearly accept that there were most living creatures on the ark - saying that there were dinosaurs really takes the biscuit!

The link to the article you referred to ^ didn't work, but eventually, with a bit of detective work I found it!

It is not the view of the website, but rather an article that was posted in a publication of a different 'apologetics' website. The Catholic website was actually ridiculing the article and that is evident from the question they pose below it - see this cut and paste of the article;

Discovery is a monthly newsletter from Apologetics Press, which concerns itself mainly with creationism. One article published last year was titled, WERE THERE DINOSAURS ON NOAH'S ARK?

The answer: "Yes! Since the book of Job [chapters 40 and 41] contains what appears to be descriptions of dinosaurs, there must have been some living in his day. . . . You might wonder how such large creatures ever got into the ark. That is easy! Not only was the ark very big, but dinosaurs were very small when they were young. If Noah took baby dinosaurs with him, they might not have been bigger than an average dog."

Question: What happened to those dinosaurs and their offspring, and why have no descriptions of them been preserved--anywhere? Why are there, say, no drawings of pterodactyls, surely good subjects for ancient artists? Perhaps because no man ever saw a live dinosaur.

[fr browne]

Surely they could be large lizards like Komodo Dragons and not real Dinosaurs. I seriously doubt that man was around at the same time of the dinosaurs it just goes against everything we know through science and observation of prehistoric finds.

[Ossie1701]

Yer I have relooked at the website and have obviously not taken enough notice of it - although (stubborn as ever) I still believe that for descriptions on other religions, the site is quite useless.

But I still think the question remains - why are there dinosaurs.
While I, personally, can quite easily accept the idea of evolution and God alongside each other - Dinosaurs seem cast a shadow over that?!

[yawn]

(Original post by Ad-astra)

But I still think the question remains - why are there dinosaurs.
While I, personally, can quite easily accept the idea of evolution and God alongside each other - Dinosaurs seem cast a shadow over that?!

My immediate thoughts on reading your posts was "why mammoths or sabre tooth tigers?"

I did a search and came up with this website. I make no comments or judgements on the content, but would like to share the thoughts of others on it.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/home.../chapter13.asp

[Blue Fairy]

Hi,
I'm a Catholic, but I suppose I do question my faith more than I used to. Sometimes it just feels a bit isolating being one of only four or five young people at my church, especially as none of my friends practice. Apart from some who are Muslim, I'd class most of my friends as atheists or agnostics.
But because of this, I feel quite shy about talking about religion in front of them. (Less so with the Muslims actually. We have great discussions about religion!) I feel that if I start voicing my opinions, I'm going to be classed as preachy or sad or boring... and I don't think I am.

I hope not anyway!

Does anyone else find this? I find that isolation is quite a hard thing to deal with when it comes to faith... Hmm, maybe I should just have more conviction.

I'm currently in Rome, which was fantastic last week. I went to the Good Friday service at the colliseum and I must say that the meditations were really lovely and they seemed to come from, in my opinion, a modern perspective, without losing any of the traditional values.
The role of women in the church was mentioned a few times, which I thought was kinda interesting.

Minimo, it's really reassuring to hear that there's such a flourishing Catholic community at Cambridge! I sing at my church (though we only have a tiny music group, not a full choir) so I'm glad that I'll be able to keep up my involvement! Hope to meet you in October

[minimo]

OoOOooo! Hello!! Yes, we have a great community here. I sing in the choir, and we have a great social scene as well - it was the only way I managed to get tickets to BA Dinners! Which college will you be at and what subject?