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13 yo allegedly rapes 5 year old girl...

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You were 13 and you knew what rape was?

Well that speaks for everybody then, so just punish him without a trial, because if you knew, he must of.


Edit: Wow Tsr makes me lol. Dare mention anything about Britain and being patriotic and you get slammed for being a bit right wing, comes to crime, everybody deserves locking up and putting on lists and them silly lefties don't get a look in.

So fickle.
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Reply 21
Has to be some kind of control on what kids watch and are exposed to, the parents are responsible for this; one thing to think that a person like this is born evil, another thing to think about how many sexual assaults, and murders this boy has surely seen on TV and the net, in films and programmes. There is a process of destruction in the mind that occurs that results in a thirteen year old acting out on what he's seen countless times on TV or the net. He is, however, fully responsible for his actions; he's a teenager.

This is a very serious crime, 13 is definitely an age where a person has enough self awareness to know the difference between right and wrong, and the possibility of consequence. Enough severity of the law should be enforced to know, and send a message to the rest of us, that regardless of age, you will not get away lightly with sexual assault. As someone has already mentioned, he may have been the product of a destructive environment, having been abused repeatedly himself by an elder, over the years, acting out from an extremely troubled mind; two sides to everything, enough sensitivity should be exercised to reflect this. Greatly halting the possibility of reoffending should be reflected in the punishment. Tragic case, for both parties, when you think about it.
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Reply 22
Original post by wassupjg
the parents are responsible for this

Not necessarily.

Original post by wassupjg
Has to be some kind of control on what kids watch and are exposed to, one thing to think that a person like this is born evil, another thing to think about how many sexual assaults, and murders this boy has surely seen on TV and the net, in films and programmes. There is a process of destruction in the mind that occurs that results in a thirteen year old acting out on what he's seen countless times on TV or the net.

There were cases of children as young and younger committing crimes as disturbing prior to tv and the net, but they certainly don't help.

Original post by wassupjg
This is a very serious crime, 13 is definitely an age where a person has enough self awareness to know the difference between right and wrong, and the possibility of consequence. Enough severity of the law should be enforced to know, and send a message to the rest of us, that regardless of age, you will not get away lightly with sexual assault. As someone has already mentioned, he may have been the product of a destructive environment, having been abused repeatedly himself by an elder, over the years, acting out from a extremely troubled mind; two sides to everything, enough sensitivity should be exercised to reflect this. Greatly halting the possibility of reoffending should be reflected in the punishment. Tragic case, for both parties, when you think about it.

This makes since.
Original post by dollar
Like one of the comments at the bottom of the article says; we don't know if he was abused himself and was now mirroring the act? Of course no excuse but maybe not such a straightforward case.


I was going to say the exact same thing, this is clearly odd behavior and it sounds as if he was abused himself. I always find it when people call for public lynching of people like this, this young. Sad for everyone involved.
Going by the four causes of child molestation:

1. They are children or teenagers who are sexually curious or experimenting.

2.They have a medical or mental problem that needs treatment.

3. They are opportunists, who lack feelings for others and who have an antisocial personality disorder.

4. They have an ongoing sex drive directed toward children.


If his 1 then he should be tried as a minor because there's a good chance of rehabilitation. "Children and teenagers are sexually curious. Curiosity is a major trait of humans. Some teens use much younger children to find out about sex because they can convince these children to take their clothes off. Most teenage experimenters, as they get older, stop all sexual interactions with children." http://www.childmolestationprevention.org/pages/focus_on_the_cause.html

However, if his 2, 3 or 4 then he should be tried as an adult. Although 2, 3 or 4 aren't his fault and semi-justify what he did, they're still incurable. There's always that risk that his going to molest another child, why take the risk? If we're being humane then yeah we should but I'm happy to be inhumane if it means there's less of a risk to any child. Sure we could test out CBT but it's been done before and the studies were inconclusive and didn't show a very high-success rate. The only way we're going to know if therapy works is by letting him out thus endangering another child. It comes down to how much you value the life of a child. If it was me, I'd vote to kill all child molesters/rapist.
Original post by soya salami
I was going to say the exact same thing, this is clearly odd behavior and it sounds as if he was abused himself. I always find it when people call for public lynching of people like this, this young. Sad for everyone involved.


How does it seem like his been abused himself? The vast majority of abused people don't go on to rape. And the vast majority of those who molest children haven't been abused. Only in movies is this shown to be factual.
Reply 26
It comes down to how much you value the life of a child. If it was me, I'd vote to kill all child molesters/rapist.


In this case, the child molester/rapist is a child himself. How do you then justify his murder? I don't think any of us are in a position to judge which child's life is more valuable, which is exactly what you're doing here.

He is a minor. He should be tried as a minor.
Original post by mrsbluesky
In this case, the child molester/rapist is a child himself. How do you then justify his murder? I don't think any of us are in a position to judge which child's life is more valuable, which is exactly what you're doing here.

He is a minor. He should be tried as a minor.


Nah, to me he isn't a child. His a teen. There's a big difference. When I was his age I knew what was wrong from right and so did most people. I justify murder on rational grounds e.g. cheaper, more effective etc etc.
Reply 28
Nah, to me he isn't a child. His a teen. There's a big difference.


And yet if it the headline was "thirteen year old boy raped by thirty five year old man" I'm sure you'd all be jumping up and down about how awful child abuse is and how anybody who rapes a child should be hung, drawn and quartered.

When I was his age I knew what was wrong from right and so did most people.


Most toddlers, having been told by their parents frequently enough, know that shop lifting is "wrong". I don't think anybody would suggest that a three year old should be subjected to the same punishment as a thirty three year old for stealing though. Knowing the difference between right and wrong doesn't stop you being a child.
As person above said, a child can know something's wrong but still do it out of naivety and curiousity. You just need to read about Freud to hear about how screwed up we are supposed to be when we're children, and I seriously doubt the child actually raped her, probably just touched her or something.

Obviously bad, but not malicious, should be let off but watched closely in my opinion.

Hate it when people jump to conclusions and just want to demonise somebody so young - without knowing the whole picture. The fact that the article neglects to mention exactly what the boy did is more cause for suspicion. :holmes:
Original post by mrsbluesky
And yet if it the headline was "thirteen year old boy raped by thirty five year old man" I'm sure you'd all be jumping up and down about how awful child abuse is and how anybody who rapes a child should be hung, drawn and quartered.


I wouldn't no. But, I'd still say he should be killed not because he specifically raped a teenager rather just because he raped.

Most toddlers, having been told by their parents frequently enough, know that shop lifting is "wrong". I don't think anybody would suggest that a three year old should be subjected to the same punishment as a thirty three year old for stealing though. Knowing the difference between right and wrong doesn't stop you being a child.


No, they don't. Most toddlers only know stealing is wrong in so far as they've been told that stealing is wrong and/or received discipline for stealing. Whereas teenagers possess the cognitive ablity to know why they shouldn't steal and don't have to not do it simply because someone told them to rather they can form their own opinion.
Reply 31
Hate it when people jump to conclusions and just want to demonise somebody so young


Agreed. Cases like this bring out the worst in people - they always take us back to the aftermath of the Jamie Bulger murder. Grown men and women baying for the blood of children, regardless of how deprived their crime, just doesn't sit right with me.
Reply 32
No, they don't. Most toddlers only know stealing is wrong in so far as they've been told that stealing is wrong and/or received discipline for stealing. Whereas teenagers possess the cognitive ablity to know why they shouldn't steal and don't have to not do it simply because someone told them to rather they can form their own opinion.


Some teenagers possess the cognitive ability to know why they shouldn't steal. At thirteen, development differs vastly between different people. Constant abuse, neglect, drug abuse, alcohol abuse, sexual perversion or any number of other possibilities would seriously delay or warp a child's sense of right and wrong. We know absolutely nothing about his circumstances. Judgement of his abilities seem a little presumptuous, don't they?

Plus, as I said before, he's a minor. He should be treated as such. Not necessarily because of the crime, but because of the different means of dealing with said crime depending on age. A minor's punishment will be better suited to his requirements.
The kid should have done what I do and dress up as a slide or something.
Original post by mrsbluesky
Some teenagers possess the cognitive ability to know why they shouldn't steal. At thirteen, development differs vastly between different people. Constant abuse, neglect, drug abuse, alcohol abuse, sexual perversion or any number of other possibilities would seriously delay or warp a child's sense of right and wrong. We know absolutely nothing about his circumstances. Judgement of his abilities seem a little presumptuous, don't they?

Plus, as I said before, he's a minor. He should be treated as such. Not necessarily because of the crime, but because of the different means of dealing with said crime depending on age. A minor's punishment will be better suited to his requirements.


You do realize that all those things could also affect the cognitive ablity of an adult, right? I don't think pedophiles are at fault. It's not their fault they have an inclination for children. It's not their fault that they act on their inclinations (high-sex drive can do that to a guy especially considering child pornography which is the only outlet they have is illegal). Yet having said all that I'd still argue for their murder. I don't care whether it's justifiable or not. I don't care whether he was fully rational or not. It's simply about whether they'd re-offend and whether it's worth endangering another child. I'm looking at it from a utilitarian perspective. It would cost much less for him to be killed than put in prison and then pay for his therapy also.
Reply 35
You do realize that all those things could also affect the cognitive ablity of an adult, right?


I do indeed, but I also realise that they're far more likely to affect the cognitive ability of a child. A thirteen year old who gets raped, beaten or left to fend for himself every evening when he gets home from school is more likely to behave inappropriately than an adult who remembers these things happening to him twenty years ago.

It would cost much less for him to be killed than put in prison and then pay for his therapy also.


A very slippery slope. What if you got it wrong? What if it turned out you murdered an innocent child for a crime they hadn't committed? What if, guilty or otherwise, he grew up and became somebody remarkable? A doctor, a priest (no nasty annecdotes please), a fireman. You can't pretend you're all up for protecting the welfare of children when you're so willing to condemn the most vulnerable kids in our society because you think it'll cost us less in the long run. That's a society that I, for one, would do just about anything to denounce.
That is ****ing disgusting. He should be tried as an adult. :mad:
Reply 37
The media has really screwed up kids minds. Parents should take a greater hand in what their kids are watching on tv.

When i was 13, i hardly ever used the internet. The only thing i watched on tv was either cartoons or occasionally movies. Most of my time was generally spent playing outside in the neighbourhood.
Original post by mrsbluesky
I do indeed, but I also realise that they're far more likely to affect the cognitive ability of a child. A thirteen year old who gets raped, beaten or left to fend for himself every evening when he gets home from school is more likely to behave inappropriately than an adult who remembers these things happening to him twenty years ago.


How do you measure which it affects more? :curious: You can't measure such things.

A very slippery slope. What if you got it wrong? What if it turned out you an innocent child for a crime they hadn't committed? What if, guilty or otherwise, he grew up and became somebody remarkable? A doctor, a priest (no nasty annecdotes please), a fireman. You can't pretend you're all up for protecting the welfare of children when you're so willing to condemn the most vulnerable kids in our society because you think it'll cost us less in the long run. That's a society that I, for one, would do just about anything to denounce.


We have plenty of doctors. We have plenty of priests. We have plenty of fireman. All these jobs have enough people, some too many people. And I only advocate the death penalty where it's established beyond reasonable doubt e.g. he confesses, multiple witnesses, victim witnesses (there was a case just a 2-3 days ago where a 3-year old became the youngest ever witness).
Reply 39
You were 13 and you knew what rape was?

Well that speaks for everybody then, so just punish him without a trial, because if you knew, he must of.


Edit: Wow Tsr makes me lol. Dare mention anything about Britain and being patriotic and you get slammed for being a bit right wing, comes to crime, everybody deserves locking up and putting on lists and them silly lefties don't get a look in.

So fickle.


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